@mattbbpl said:
@Jacanuk: Swing and a miss.
Ok, so you have a problem with any 5-4 decision, good to know.
Jacanuk's forum posts
@MirkoS77 said:
@Jacanuk said:
Hmm, sorry to disappoint you there but the court has always been a problem, the way you appointed justice is a major problem and every single 5-4 decision has had a problem since they somehow always manage to go down party lines. And every single key issue where the liberals seem to be for is also most times a dismantlement of state rights.
So neither side has had any integrity as to how they decide on cases. Though having been fortunate enough to hear Scalia while he was alive, his arguments reason a lot more than Kagans and Ginsburg who always seem to be "Morality over law" After all Ginsburg even want, foreign laws to have an impact on American matters.
And sure the judgment of the court will be viewed with a lot of critics from the left because it´s right now 5 conservatives against the 4 liberals until the decision is turning out to be in your side's favour.
Lastly, the only side who is weakening America is the left and the far left, since 2000 the Left have traded a common ideal to keep America the greatest nation to an idea that the only way forward is theirs and anyone opposing them is the enemy and the only solution is to destroy them.
Just watch the mob when Shapiro or even a libertarian who is gay like Rubin is around, for the left there is only an enemy, and the right goes from far-right to Nazi, there is no in between there is no middle ground so there is no reason to have any civil discourse, because anyone on the "right" any conservative is beyond "help"
Same as you are showing here, you claim to be a moderate but everything you say and post has this insane hate about it, there is no room for "hey I may be wrong here"
No, in this day and age, there's a distinction to be made between partisan disagreements in civil political discourse the courts traditionally embraced, and partisan vindictiveness absent it that currently (or at least is beginning to) encompasses them. This is new territory as we've never had a president like Trump before that's encouraged such an absence of civility and decency while substituting it with disgusting values such as vengeance and utter contempt to those who he disagrees with who's been able to play a direct hand in forming the Judiciary to the extent he's able. I'm not meaning to say the court has never suffered divides, that is its nature, but that the manner of them has shifted from ideological disagreements to venomous personal and partisan hatreds transcending them, emboldened by the man in the Oval Office who has instilled and encouraged such combativeness at every turn simply due to who he is.
You don't apply traditional standards of past partisan divides and precedence (judicial or otherwise) compared to present ones while maintaining any degree of ingenuousness while someone like Trump is in office. You can't. Trump's lack of integrity will seep into whatever he touches, that's the nature of the dynamics of power combined with character. And I believe even you are not one to deny that Trump isn't the most upstanding of individuals. So if you wish to compare the courts' integrity before Trump to after Trump, on what grounds would it be seen as valid considering someone so vacant of that integrity who now holds such influence over them?
Well, now you are assuming that Kavanaugh who has over a decade on the second highest court in the land and who even by ABA got the highest marks, suddenly becomes bias against the Democrats, while there is reason , i do not believe anyone who become a supreme court would even entertain such a thought , he has nothing to prove, he has no loyalties to repay and even Collins who voted for him said she did it because 1. there was no evidence as to the allegations, everything talked against it and 2. There was not one single finger to put on any of his legal records and he has several key judgments which go against Republicans. So not the court with Kavanaugh has not suffered, it´s still the exact same court as always, an organ that is being used by both sides and where the liberals seem to be fine when the pendulum swings verdicts their way.
So is this about Trump and you not wanting to see anything good? like with the Republicans because now you see them as enabling Trump? Also let us see with Kavanaugh.
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Jacanuk: You "ask" in a disparaging way. Besides, I only post a thread with his content (or any source for that matter) if it's subjects worth talking about.
By this logic, my right-wing uncle was probably paid off by Alex Jones, Ann Coulter, and Dinesh D'Sousza by what he posts on his social media.
Did not ask in any special kind of way, how you receive it is your problem.
I was just wondering because you post him a lot and rarely post your own thoughts and ideas.
@MirkoS77 said:
@Jacanuk said:
First of all, are you claiming that no matter what evidence there is or isn't, that Ford´s allegations are true? because if that is your opinion then there is no point in debating the rest of your post with you.
No, I'm saying that regardless of the truth of the accusations, the Court's integrity has been largely delegitimized with Kavanuagh's appointment. It is now largely viewed as a partisan institution in the eyes of the public....something that you've argued to me in the past it shouldn't be. Guilt or innocence is irrelevant at this juncture, only perception matters. Every ruling by the Supreme Court from now on will be viewed as compromised. Trump is the one largely responsible for this, it is he who is in a position to do his best to mend or lessen partisan divides, to be a president for all (as he so laughably stated in his speech after the election he would be), yet he's done nothing but pit one side against the other every chance he gets.
This is actively weakening America from within, it's not strengthening it or "Making it Great Again". Don't you understand that? I have no clue how anyone can call themselves an American while standing in Trump's corner. What are you guys thinking?
Hmm, sorry to disappoint you there but the court has always been a problem, the way you appointed justice is a major problem and every single 5-4 decision has had a problem since they somehow always manage to go down party lines. And every single key issue where the liberals seem to be for is also most times a dismantlement of state rights.
So neither side has had any integrity as to how they decide on cases. Though having been fortunate enough to hear Scalia while he was alive, his arguments reason a lot more than Kagans and Ginsburg who always seem to be "Morality over law" After all Ginsburg even want, foreign laws to have an impact on American matters.
And sure the judgment of the court will be viewed with a lot of critics from the left because it´s right now 5 conservatives against the 4 liberals until the decision is turning out to be in your side's favour.
Lastly, the only side who is weakening America is the left and the far left, since 2000 the Left have traded a common ideal to keep America the greatest nation to an idea that the only way forward is theirs and anyone opposing them is the enemy and the only solution is to destroy them.
Just watch the mob when Shapiro or even a libertarian who is gay like Rubin is around, for the left there is only an enemy, and the right according to those on the left is only two things either a moderate who might as well be a democrat, or a nazi, there is no in between. There is no middle ground so there is no reason to have any civil discourse because anyone on the "right" any conservative is beyond "help"
Same as you are showing here, you claim to be a moderate but everything you say and post has this insane hate about it, there is no room for "hey I may be wrong here"
@mattbbpl said:
@MirkoS77: "It is now largely viewed as a partisan institution in the eyes of the public."
Can it reasonably be argued otherwise at this point? Between Bush v Gore and a slew of other 5-4 cases which hinged on a "swing vote", it seems clear to me that Kavanaugh was, at best, the final nail in the coffin. Likely, he merely confirmed what we already knew.
So let me see if I understand you correct .... When the liberal justices vote they do it on the basis of the law and Kennedy who voted for Gay Marriage, (a view he only he seem to have gotten after his son turned out to be gay) Is when he votes with the liberals a saint, and when he voted with the more conservative justices a demon and all the conservatives justices are all partisan and do not care about the law.
Is that understood correct?
@blackballs said:
I think at this point, I'd probably ignore the polls. I believe that it's up to voter turnout. It seems both parties are energized, democrats a bit more but they usually have younger voters which don't do much for their chances. I still believe in my prediction, but this will be very interesting.
If young people get out to vote in droves, democrats retake congress. If they stay home, it will be a republican victory. It's simple as that. My bet is that they will get out to vote.
I think it´s a very good idea to kinda ignore the polls at this point.
As you say it will all come down to who can get most of their energized group to the polls.
Republicans are older and more set and usually have a strong voter turnout, Democrats have the young hip progressives but as we saw with Sanders and Clinton, they somehow can´t switch that energy to also actually finding the time to go to the polls.
So agree it will all be about who turns up, Democrats and Congress will be theirs with a similar margin to the Republicans have now, Republicans and Democrats will still get a majority in the house but not as big, and Reps will gain a some seats in the Senate.
@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@Jacanuk said:
Did you just assume not only my gender but also my race?`and here I thought you were on the left. Where you knew those kind assumptions is hurtful and also clearly hateful. And words is violence, so you just committed a violent act against me.
well if you're not white then you're an uncle tom. To be honest I don't really care what your background is. What I care more about is that you're a right wing commie who thinks no compete clauses are free market.
Ok, so you didn´t want a debate and then proceeded to call me an uncle tom because I do not share your views? and a communist? I don´t think you quite understand what a communist is since that is the opposite of being for the free market.
Also lastly, White privilege is a myth, it´s an idea some groups use to justify why they are not more successful in life, I mean if you can blame the entire system, that can also justify, not even trying. because why try to succeed , why try to fight your way up to being more than you are when the entire system is rigged against you.
Also, it´s probably the same crazy ideas you get and why you fail to grasp IP/Trademark law , why should you be denied the game or music or bag you want, just because you can´t afford the "systems price" which are already rigged against you.
@blackballs said:
First time we can start to debate. The Senate will be an interesting race. Honestly, I still think Dems will take it but it will be so close. I'm predicting Texas will turn blue. Cruz is losing a lot of support, his contender is firing up the base.
The Senate will most certainly be an interesting race, and after Kavanaugh, it looks like it will be an even more interesting.
Cruz was close to being thrown out on his butt, but now Cruz is up by +6, Same with Tennessee, Blackburn was down to only a marginal "toss up" 2 points but are now back to a relative firm lead of +8
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2018/senate/tx/texas_senate_cruz_vs_orourke-6310.html
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| 10/8 | Texas | Toss Up | »»» | Leans GOP | 44* | 7 | 49 |
| 10/3 | New Jersey | Toss Up | »»» | Leans Dem | 44* | 8 | 48 |
| 10/1 | New Jersey | Leans Dem | »»» | Toss Up | 43* | 9 | 48 |
| 10/1 | North Dakota | Toss Up | »»» | Leans GOP | 43* | 9 | 48 |
| 8/31 | Montana | Leans Dem | »»» | Toss Up | 44* | 9 | 47 |
New Jersey is from before the last stretch of the Kavanaugh hearing same with North Dakota and Montana. So it will be interesting to see those results tick in.
Even the House race is looking interesting and there seem to be a newly found republican energy, so if they can carry that through with close to 4 weeks left. Well looks like the Democrats and Avenatti have hurt their chances more than they would have liked.
But what a surprise if Republicans actually gain a few seats and can secure the Senate with more than the soon to be independent Murkowski and Collins who though seem to have found some new energy.
@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@Jacanuk said:
@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@tryit: white privilege does exist, mainly because the employers are all white, the bosses are white, the politicians are white. It helps to be white in a white man's world , but that definitely isn't everything. Tribalism does exist and people will associate more with people they relate to. I don't think that's a problem. Black privilege exists as well, you see in the rap industry becoming a rapper when you're white is much harder.
In any case, if you're good at what you do, privilege doesn't matter. That's why Eminem is one of the most famous rappers. It's why Asians have better pay than whites. Privilege exists for sure but how hard you work and how much you push yourself will ultimately determine your lot in life.
White privilege is a myth.
I guess a white man living in his own white bubble wouldn't understand. Though im not saying your special. Theres also Asian privilege if youre a minority in an Asian country. Theres black privilege if you're a minority in a black country. On the extreme end you can see middle eastern privilege if you're a minority or a foreign worker in Saudi. The Saudis consider themselves gods while those foreigners are just dirty unpure bugs.
So yeah, this white privilege thing isn't really unique, its just tribalism at work and its found everywhere. Blaming whitey for it isn't something i'd ever do since that would make me a hypocrite. I personally am more comfortable dealing with people of my own culture and background. I have friends who are a different background than me but they would be included in my circle. That would be the exception though and im guessing most people are just like me in the way they do things. I guess that's also a privilege.
People pushing the white privilege agenda are doing it for one thing and that's financial gains. Well for me that's what its about, gaining more opportunity and making more bank. White people shouldn't be butt hurt about it, you would probably do the same thing in our shoes.
Did you just assume not only my gender but also my race?`and here I thought you were on the left. Where you knew those kind assumptions is hurtful and also clearly hateful. And words is violence, so you just committed a violent act against me.
@nintendoboy16 said:
@Jacanuk: Then how can you even judge someone is paid off because of a frequent source? Not everything I post is from Oliver.
Judge? I was asking you a question since it seems like you are getting some kind of compensation for posting it that many times.
Since no one, not even other on your side cares about what a comedy show host has to say about anything.
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