@MirkoS77 said:
@Jacanuk said:
This is not about isolation. This is about acknowledging that we have lost enough American lives in the fight against people who see us as invaders and not liberators. By staying there and fighting in Syria we only make things worse since the only way to stop them is to let Assad get back in power, remember before Syria was seen as the jewel of the middle east and was pretty peaceful until we and the world decided that we know best and got too cocky for our own good like normal, after all, Gaddafi was a win even though the country is destroyed and are now filled with ISIS cells and civil war.
But since you are ok with fighting futile wars, I have to ask how many American soldiers are ok to lose? before you can see the light and that by staying it´s just making it far far worse.
And this is nothing to do with Trump, we got into Iraq on false pretences, we bombed Libya back to the stone age and people lost their lives because of it, and remember Manchester? Enough is Enough and Trump may be a tool, but he is the first who says the wise thing , we need to leave the middle east and stop trying to force our way of life on them.
You sound like a liberal.
"Invaders and not liberators"? ISIS?? Have you even seen the videos from these people??? They're monsters, they are the epitome of evil. Let's not equate this to the Iraqis wanting us out of their country because we're invading them under the pretense of liberation. "Trying to force our way of life on them"? Again, ISIS? Uh, hello? Are you for real? We're doing (or at least, we were before Trump) everything in our power to stop them from trying to do the same to us. This isn't about liberation or trying to "force" our way of life on others, this is about combating an abhorrent ideology that transcends geography in its hatred and desire for the utter destruction and eradication of western values. Civilized society would cease to exist if ISIS had their way.
I don't believe we should be anywhere imposing our own lifestyle and values upon others, but with regards to ISIS, this isn't about that. These people are out of their minds, they're unconscionable barbarians, go onto bestgore and see for yourself. And right now, you can be assured they're celebrating our withdrawal. If you honestly believe that pulling out is going to quell their desire to crush us and the values we stand for because we're no longer "imposing" our lifestyle on them, boy, you are beyond naive and ignorant. All we will be doing by Trump's mandate is inviting them to bring the battle to our shores instead of fighting it on theirs. And then what will you do when our blood is shed by your own myopia? Predictably blame Democrats or bring about a new "whataboutism", as you typically do to shift blame for your own irresponsibility to excuse nothing but your own blind partisan hackery.
I am just a rationalist.
Do you know what created ISIS? They did not come out of the blue air, it came because the west decided to meddle in things that was not theirs to meddle in. Syria was a jewel until Europe and US thought it was fun to tell some people that if they rebelled against the "evil" dictator they would help and considering what happened in Libya it´s no wonder , these people thought "Hey lets go for it" Even though Gaddafi was the only thing keeping the various factions in check. And removing Gaddafi only revealed the tensions and massive internal problems.
So again how many American lives are enough? how long do you want us to stay because again as you saw with Manchester, our presence only create these terrorists, so maybe again it´s about time we stop trying to bomb people into the stone age and stop creating situations that just create more hate. And ISIS will come to Ameria or Mainland Europe no matter what, so perhaps it´s about time we build a "wall" and let the middle east alone.
So you can´t come and say ISIS need to be defeated because we can never get rid of them, the only people who can get rid of these extremists are the people living every day in these countries when they lose the populations support they will also slowly vanish. Again look at the Taliban, And i do not blame the Democrats, I blame Bush for bringing us into a war in Iraq on false pretences and I blame every single president and politician after Bush, for not stopping the mad idea that we can make people love democracy.
But i get it you hate republicans and conservatives so much that reason is lost on you, so when Trump finally says something valuable, it get´s lost because the hatred is so strong that you have blinds on.
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