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#1 Bolgernow
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Does anyone know when new DLC is coming, & does anyone have any wishes on what it would be?

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#2 Bolgernow
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I agree with everything, except the Lutece's. They are in fact the same person much like Booker & Comstock, just in different universes

in Bookers universe/time line it's Robert, in Comstocks, it's Rosealand.

When Rosealand creates time portholes, she naturally finds her counter point Robert.

Hope that makes sense. GREAT work & explaination!!!

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#3 Bolgernow
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Can anyone tell me why our booker had to accept baptism? Elizabeth took him to 2 and the first one he rejected it, not knowing he was Comstock yet, but it seemed like Liz was making him make the choices necessary to make him into comstock. Also what was up w/ the no word kinetoscopes, the one where the guy fell off the edge at battleship bayJoh01648

SPOLIER: that's just it. He doesn't. This is a story about alternate universes. If Booker goes through with the bapitism, in the future from that exact point he then will become Comstock. If he rejects it, he goes on to have a daughter named Anna with a wife who dies while giving birth. That Booker that rejects it is the Booker we all play the game as who travels to Columbia to "bring back the girl, & wipe away the debt"

Remember when the twins say, "Constants & variables". Well, the only choice any Booker NEVER made was to actively sacrifice by DYING in one universe in order to save his daughter Anna in another so they could be together again. He either took the bapitism or rejected it, never dying

it implies the man who created Battleship Bay killed himself over the guilt of using his creatively to build a beautiful world that oppressed others

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#4 Bolgernow
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I do, & liked it alot. Remember, they have additional DLC coming right?

I'd assume this is that. Where you're able to see even more of the dark underside of Columbia

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#5 Bolgernow
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I agree with this. Loved the game, but you're totally right

Guess I was too wrapped up in the world with the Sky Hook to care

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#6 Bolgernow
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10) alot of people have answered this wrong. The bleeding is caused when you have memories being altered or changed.

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I'll buy that. A few questions: how do you your memories have been alterered? So it's only those who figure it out?

Where as the people who never understand other universes exist or cross paths will never get a nose bleed?

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#7 Bolgernow
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rather than go point by point again, here's where someone else pointed out the same points in detail:

http://www.ign.com/wikis/bioshock-infinite/The_Ending_-_An_Explanation

Hope that helps, & let me know if anything is still unanswered or totally off. It's always possible :)

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[QUOTE="Bolgernow"]10. it means another "version" of Booker/The Chinese Man will die, has died, or IS dying in a whole other Universe that will happen, has happened, or is happening. It still effects your existence in the infinite universe of probablities when another version dies

Hope that helps ;)

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This is all well and good but that doesn't explain why only particular people get the nose bleeding effect. Your theory would work if near everyone was bleeding through their noses because in the unpredictable nature of quantum physics in BS, most people in Columbia ought to already have, or has, or will have, one of their humanfood copies terminated.

That said, I do think the cause of the nose bleeding effect can occur when a tear traveller kills a person in a another world than the one they came from, and then travel back to a world where the two people (tear traveller and person) have already met causes the, now alive, person to 'remember' their deaths at the hands of the tear traveler.

I recognize that with a plot based on infinite choices and multiple worlds, any discussion like this can really be considered moot but at least this theory elaborates on a possible nose bleeding effect.


when ever you see, interact, or accept someone who died in an alternate universe/reality including yourself it seems you get a nose bleed(the soliders who must of killed versions of Booker), Li, Booker, etc. Why would everyone have nose bleeds if they weren't effected, a part of, or time travel? They wouldn't know another version of themself existed, right?

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#9 Bolgernow
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true, I will try again later. Thanks for the update. I didn't try that one yet, but like the "Circle Will Be Broken" song

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#10 Bolgernow
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i liked the themes and the direction the story took,but tbh i think Levine digged too deep leaving many plot holes. behind...so,

1.Why does Elizabeth have universe traversing powers

2.Why do tears exist all around Columbia

3.How did Comstock,once baptized become a prophet and make people actually believe of such thing?Is there an implyment of divine intervention at some point in the game(he must have made some deeds worthy of divine worshipping to reach his status)?

4.Comstock wanted Elizabeth as his heir because the angel Columbia said so....did the "angel" actually speak to him or are these hallucinations or lies?

5.How did Comstock become sterile?

6.I have no clue wtf is going on with the Letuce twins,other than that they helped Comstock get Elizabeth from Booker.How are they going from one dimension to another back and forth at will and what are their motives at the whole saving Elizabeth story.How did they erase or alter Bookers memory?

7.What was the point of the Siphon,what would the surgery do to Elizabeth and exactly what did Comstock want her to be with the use of these methods

8.Elizabeth traversed with booker to a reality where Booker was a hero of the Vox Populi...since they disliked the devastation of that reality,why didnt they return back or go to a new more peaceful reality through another tear?

9.Since Booker is dead in the universe where he is considered a hero of the Vox Populi,how is it that Comstock exists(since he is Comstock....how could there normally be a Booker and a Comstock at a same reality)

10.I didnt understand the whole bleeding thing....Why does the chinese gunsmith bleed from his nose in a universe where he normally is alive and well?Just because he died in another universe,does that mean that he bleeds in all others?If thats the case,then all people would bleed from the nose,since in some universe someone would always die somehow

 

these come to my mind right now,might add some more later

 

i wanna hear your thoughts on these

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I'll do my best to explain these as I know them today:

1. She got them when her finger was severed in the time traveling port hole as a baby because it resulted in her partially existing in 2 universes at once. The twin Rosalind Lutece explained with: "I suspect it has less to do with what she is, and rather more with what she is not. A small part of her remains from where she came. It would seem the universe does not like its peas mixed with it's porridge"

2. Because of Comstock/Booker/Elizabeth. Comstock has been time travelling far to much to gain power(knew hit songs before they come to be then hired people to sing them like the Beach Boys song for $, etc). He traveled SO much through time to be a god that he became sterile

3. this is the KEY to the entire multi-universe story line. Once he was bapitised, Booker BECOMES Comstock. He becomes drunk with power using religion as his tool of control. Possibly divine intervention in the known infinite universes that exist. But in EACH universe when Booker gets bapitized Comstock is now BORN. If Booker(another version of Comstock), drowns, then Comstock/Columbia/Elizabeth won't exist

4. Comstock wanted to control her powers so he could use them to power the city, his time travel, & eventually train her to become the weapon to destory all of the NYC/the world. Remember the "older version" of Elizabeth you takes your hand to show you fire & war explaining that this is what happens if she stays with papa nutty? In other words, that's her only future staying with Comstock

5. Please see # 2, too much time travel

6. The twins exist in differnet universes. In the universe where Booker DeWitt exists, Robert Lutece is born rather than Rosalind Lutece. In the universe where Booker becomes Comstock, Rosalind Lutece is born rather than Robert Lutece. You have two time lines here. In Comstocks universe, Rosalind invented the floating atom technology that Columba uses & Comstock gave her $ to create time travel tears for him(which Elizabeth can also already do thanks to her finger). Where as in Bookers universe Robert exists only to approach Booker on Constocks behalf to take Anna from him. Rosalind uses time travel to approch her opposte self Robert so they can fix this problem together. That's why they can finish each other sentences, know the struggle of probability, & how many "Bookers" they helped create

7. The Siphon is was to "contain" & "use" her powers later for world domination under Comstock. Rosalind gave Comstock the machine power. But at the end when the Siphon was totally broken, she was fully realized & very powerful. Way more powerful than the machines they created to time travel. That's how she quickly turned the world into Rapture & Songbird died where as before it took effort

8. It was one of the many attempts of the twins to have Booker win. Probablity. Think of there being 122 previous Booker attemtps to win, & failing. One of those has him listening to the VOX Populi becoming their leader. Just another possible outcome of events that they travelled to. In other parts, the VOX tried to kill him(the current 122 version of Booker). She also can't "control" tears with the Siphon in place

9. Only in one reality. The end implies that "reality" died when Booker was drowned while being Bapitised. All the Elizabeth's slowly disappeared realizing the only reality now is no Comstock, no Columba, no current 122 Booker. Just regular Booker with his daughter Anna as the end crying in the crib after the ending credits implies. You never see Anna, but you assume it is her

10. it means another "version" of Booker/The Chinese Man will die, has died, or IS dying in a whole other Universe that will happen, has happened, or is happening. It still effects your existence in the infinite universe of probablities when another version dies

Hope that helps ;)

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