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  • Ceiloth
     
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    Sep 30, 2009 4:15 pm PT
    It's for people who WANT to work on this game, yes you'll be "playing" but you'll really be filling out surveys and finding glitches.

    Read this article (from a great TOR blog) before you even sign up for the closed beta. http://darthhater.com/2009/09/29/know-what-your-getting-into/
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    It's for people who WANT to work on this game, yes you'll be "playing" but you'll really be filling out surveys and finding glitches.

    Read this article (from a great TOR blog) before you even sign up for the closed beta. http://darthhater.com/2009/09/29/know-what-your-getting-into/
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  • JamieK1981
     
    Sep 30, 2009 5:54 pm PT
    I would be honoured to find some bugs and hopefully get them fixed, i have seen alot of bugs in a game that never, EVER get fixed and i always wanted to be the one that helped get them fixed.
    I would be honoured to find some bugs and hopefully get them fixed, i have seen alot of bugs in a game that never, EVER get fixed and i always wanted to be the one that helped get them fixed.
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  • Ceiloth
     
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    Sep 30, 2009 6:14 pm PT

    From: JamieK1981 | #002
    I would be honoured to find some bugs and hopefully get them fixed, i have seen alot of bugs in a game that never, EVER get fixed and i always wanted to be the one that helped get them fixed.


    http://i35.tinypic.com/1zu61v.png

    That's not how it works.
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    From: JamieK1981 | #002
    I would be honoured to find some bugs and hopefully get them fixed, i have seen alot of bugs in a game that never, EVER get fixed and i always wanted to be the one that helped get them fixed.


    http://i35.tinypic.com/1zu61v.png

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  • sumdood
     
    Oct 1, 2009 12:47 am PT

    TormakSaber wrote:

    That's not how it works.

    That's excactly how it works.

    [QUOTE="TormakSaber"]
    That's not how it works.
    [/QUOTE]

    That's excactly how it works.

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  • SnarlingWolf
     
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    Oct 1, 2009 1:29 am PT
    Seriously?
    It will be like playing any other mmo and using the bug report function.
    99.9% of people who go for beta are after a free first-look. That's the primary reason.
    Helping find bugs is secondary motivation.
    Everyone knows that, but won't say it out loud.

    I'm not knocking the topic, just sayin'.
    Seriously?
    It will be like playing any other mmo and using the bug report function.
    99.9% of people who go for beta are after a free first-look. That's the primary reason.
    Helping find bugs is secondary motivation.
    Everyone knows that, but won't say it out loud.

    I'm not knocking the topic, just sayin'.
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  • Legolas_Katarn
     
    Oct 1, 2009 2:50 am PT

    sumdood wrote:

    TormakSaber wrote:

    That's not how it works.

    That's excactly how it works.

    Even if bugs were found there is always the chance that they won't be fixed. That's oneof the disapointing things about testing,find something and they don't care, don't have time, etc to get it fixed by launch.

    [QUOTE="sumdood"]

    [QUOTE="TormakSaber"]
    That's not how it works.
    [/QUOTE]

    That's excactly how it works.

    [/QUOTE] Even if bugs were found there is always the chance that they won't be fixed. That's oneof the disapointing things about testing,find something and they don't care, don't have time, etc to get it fixed by launch.

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  • Korvin13
     
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    Oct 1, 2009 6:54 am PT
    "Even if bugs were found there is always the chance that they won't be fixed. That's oneof the disapointing things about testing,find something and they don't care, don't have time, etc to get it fixed by launch."

    Oh, I'm sorry Leogus-Katarn, we had no idea how much you know about what the Bioware Devs are thinking. You know, considering they're one of the most respected game company out there today.
    "Even if bugs were found there is always the chance that they won't be fixed. That's oneof the disapointing things about testing,find something and they don't care, don't have time, etc to get it fixed by launch."

    Oh, I'm sorry Leogus-Katarn, we had no idea how much you know about what the Bioware Devs are thinking. You know, considering they're one of the most respected game company out there today.
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  • Legolas_Katarn
     
    Oct 1, 2009 9:12 am PT

    Korvin13 wrote:
    "Even if bugs were found there is always the chance that they won't be fixed. That's oneof the disapointing things about testing,find something and they don't care, don't have time, etc to get it fixed by launch."

    Oh, I'm sorry Leogus-Katarn, we had no idea how much you know about what the Bioware Devs are thinking. You know, considering they're one of the most respected game company out there today.

    Don't try to argue with people when you are unable to spell their name even while having them quoted. Although, I will admit, that your psychic (perhaps force) powers which allowed you to read my mind over the computer to give yourself all of the knowledge that I have about Bioware, betas, and beta testers is most impressive.

    What I posted is what beta testers say all the time about the games that they work on, a lot of bugs might get fixed but there is always some little ones that will not, especially not in an MMO. Just because Bioware is a respected company doesn't mean that they never have problems with their games, I seem to remember quite a few graphic glitches in Mass Effect. Certain problems will take priority over others and when it comes time to launch the game they might not have fixed every single little issue that their game has, and there is no problem with that.

    [QUOTE="Korvin13"]"Even if bugs were found there is always the chance that they won't be fixed. That's oneof the disapointing things about testing,find something and they don't care, don't have time, etc to get it fixed by launch."

    Oh, I'm sorry Leogus-Katarn, we had no idea how much you know about what the Bioware Devs are thinking. You know, considering they're one of the most respected game company out there today.[/QUOTE]

    Don't try to argue with people when you are unable to spell their name even while having them quoted. Although, I will admit, that your psychic (perhaps force) powers which allowed you to read my mind over the computer to give yourself all of the knowledge that I have about Bioware, betas, and beta testers is most impressive.

    What I posted is what beta testers say all the time about the games that they work on, a lot of bugs might get fixed but there is always some little ones that will not, especially not in an MMO. Just because Bioware is a respected company doesn't mean that they never have problems with their games, I seem to remember quite a few graphic glitches in Mass Effect. Certain problems will take priority over others and when it comes time to launch the game they might not have fixed every single little issue that their game has, and there is no problem with that.

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  • Callmege
     
    Oct 1, 2009 9:50 am PT
    Oh, I'm sorry Leogus-Katarn, we had no idea how much you know about what the Bioware Devs are thinking. You know, considering they're one of the most respected game company out there today.

    You don't know what you're talking about and I'm not even sure of the meaning of your post.

    Gamespot users -_-
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    Oh, I'm sorry Leogus-Katarn, we had no idea how much you know about what the Bioware Devs are thinking. You know, considering they're one of the most respected game company out there today.

    You don't know what you're talking about and I'm not even sure of the meaning of your post.

    Gamespot users -_-
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  • Legolas_Katarn
     
    Oct 1, 2009 11:23 am PT
    I was responding to JamieK1981, I mistook the guy that responded to you for him, so I had the wrong person quoted. Jamie had said

    "I would be honoured to find some bugs and hopefully get them fixed, i have seen alot of bugs in a game that never, EVER get fixed and i always wanted to be the one that helped get them fixed."

    Going by what a lot of beta/game testers (ones that work for the company) say that is one of the problems about getting into a job like theirs. I've read multiple stories that were written to people that wanted a job like theirs, thinking that they would just have fun and be paid to play games all day. The employees listed different reasons why people should think twice about the job, including, having to play through the same parts of levels over and over and over, sometimes having to play bad games, having to play really buggy games, writing detailed reports about each bug found, and that when the game is finally released not everything that they report can be fixed in time, and some developers don't really care. If developers aren't always even to fix problems listed by their own employees they are likely not going to be able to fix every little thing that beta testers report.

    I was responding to JamieK1981, I mistook the guy that responded to you for him, so I had the wrong person quoted. Jamie had said "I would be honoured to find some bugs and hopefully get them fixed, i have seen alot of bugs in a game that never, EVER get fixed and i always wanted to be the one that helped get them fixed." Going by what a lot of beta/game testers (ones that work for the company) say that is one of the problems about getting into a job like theirs. I've read multiple stories that were written to people that wanted a job like theirs, thinking that they would just have fun and be paid to play games all day. The employees listed different reasons why people should think twice about the job, including, having to play through the same parts of levels over and over and over, sometimes having to play bad games, having to play really buggy games, writing detailed reports about each bug found, and that when the game is finally released not everything that they report can be fixed in time, and some developers don't really care. If developers aren't always even to fix problems listed by their own employees they are likely not going to be able to fix every little thing that beta testers report.
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  • Legolas_Katarn
     
    Oct 1, 2009 11:25 am PT
    Assuming that you were talking to me in your last post, you would know something about quoting the wrong person.

    Assuming that you were talking to me in your last post, you would know something about quoting the wrong person.
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  • Callmege
     
    Oct 1, 2009 11:43 am PT
    Assuming that you were talking to me in your last post, you would know something about quoting the wrong person.

    Me?
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    Assuming that you were talking to me in your last post, you would know something about quoting the wrong person.

    Me?
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  • Korvin13
     
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    Oct 1, 2009 12:45 pm PT
    "You don't know what you're talking about and I'm not even sure of the meaning of your post.

    Gamespot users -_-"

    -Callmage

    I never even went on the gamespot website. I still get surprised when I see "Gamespot" above "Game FAQS."

    I don't get this "Anti-gamespot user" thing I see in these forums.
    "You don't know what you're talking about and I'm not even sure of the meaning of your post.

    Gamespot users -_-"

    -Callmage

    I never even went on the gamespot website. I still get surprised when I see "Gamespot" above "Game FAQS."

    I don't get this "Anti-gamespot user" thing I see in these forums.
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  • Legolas_Katarn
     
    Oct 1, 2009 1:02 pm PT

    Korvin13 wrote:
    "You don't know what you're talking about and I'm not even sure of the meaning of your post.

    Gamespot users -_-"

    -Callmage

    I never even went on the gamespot website. I still get surprised when I see "Gamespot" above "Game FAQS."

    I don't get this "Anti-gamespot user" thing I see in these forums.

    I assume he was talking to me from what he said and from adding gamespot users to his post.

    [QUOTE="Korvin13"]"You don't know what you're talking about and I'm not even sure of the meaning of your post.

    Gamespot users -_-"

    -Callmage

    I never even went on the gamespot website. I still get surprised when I see "Gamespot" above "Game FAQS."

    I don't get this "Anti-gamespot user" thing I see in these forums.[/QUOTE]

    I assume he was talking to me from what he said and from adding gamespot users to his post.

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  • megaplumb
     
    Oct 1, 2009 1:56 pm PT
    I'm imagining both of you as the comic book guy from the simpsons while reading this. It's hilarious.
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    I'm imagining both of you as the comic book guy from the simpsons while reading this. It's hilarious.
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  • Callmege
     
    Oct 1, 2009 2:01 pm PT
    I never even went on the gamespot website. I still get surprised when I see "Gamespot" above "Game FAQS."

    Keep telling yourself that.

    I don't get this "Anti-gamespot user" thing I see in these forums.

    Anyone who didn't boycott Gamespot for the rest of their lives after the Jeff Gerstmann/Kane and Lynch fiasco is quite obviously mentally ********.

    I assume he was talking to me from what he said and from adding gamespot users to his post.

    Yes... I was talking to you despite the fact that I had quoted someone else. Sounds perfectly logical.
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    I never even went on the gamespot website. I still get surprised when I see "Gamespot" above "Game FAQS."

    Keep telling yourself that.

    I don't get this "Anti-gamespot user" thing I see in these forums.

    Anyone who didn't boycott Gamespot for the rest of their lives after the Jeff Gerstmann/Kane and Lynch fiasco is quite obviously mentally ********.

    I assume he was talking to me from what he said and from adding gamespot users to his post.

    Yes... I was talking to you despite the fact that I had quoted someone else. Sounds perfectly logical.
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  • TheYoungin
     
    Oct 1, 2009 8:11 pm PT
    the anti gamespot thing comes from when gamefaqs was merged with gamespot, and the gs people started to build up a reputation as disruptive posters, trolls, little kids etc. Not to say gamefaqs is really any better, just thats what it was about back then.

    Anyways, i'd be willing to bet when bugs are reported they kind of get categorized by priority, bugs that are really game breaking obviously get higher priority than something either very minor or something very hard to duplicate.
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    the anti gamespot thing comes from when gamefaqs was merged with gamespot, and the gs people started to build up a reputation as disruptive posters, trolls, little kids etc. Not to say gamefaqs is really any better, just thats what it was about back then.

    Anyways, i'd be willing to bet when bugs are reported they kind of get categorized by priority, bugs that are really game breaking obviously get higher priority than something either very minor or something very hard to duplicate.
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  • pyber80
     
    Oct 2, 2009 12:05 am PT
    Anyways, i'd be willing to bet when bugs are reported they kind of get categorized by priority, bugs that are really game breaking obviously get higher priority than something either very minor or something very hard to duplicate.

    This is true. Game-breaking bugs and anything exploitable would of course float to the top of the list pretty fast. Other things in a beta are server stress tests, watching for graphical glitches (like falling through the map, walking through walls, etc), checking powers and their functionality, proofing the storyline (if there is one) and any number of other things that don't quite fall into the "bug" category.

    What it boils down to is that beta testing a game isn't for fun (90% of the time). It's work. And while it can be great to be involved in a beta (and very fun at times), don't let that fact get in the way of getting the job done. The developers rely in large part on outside beta testers to work out the kinks and find issues they haven't seen yet.


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    Anyways, i'd be willing to bet when bugs are reported they kind of get categorized by priority, bugs that are really game breaking obviously get higher priority than something either very minor or something very hard to duplicate.

    This is true. Game-breaking bugs and anything exploitable would of course float to the top of the list pretty fast. Other things in a beta are server stress tests, watching for graphical glitches (like falling through the map, walking through walls, etc), checking powers and their functionality, proofing the storyline (if there is one) and any number of other things that don't quite fall into the "bug" category.

    What it boils down to is that beta testing a game isn't for fun (90% of the time). It's work. And while it can be great to be involved in a beta (and very fun at times), don't let that fact get in the way of getting the job done. The developers rely in large part on outside beta testers to work out the kinks and find issues they haven't seen yet.


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  • Evan_Arrrr
     
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    Oct 2, 2009 4:56 am PT
    Yeah. What everyone else has said about beta testing. I beta tested (well, during the open beta, which was really just a paid first look, to be honest) Champions Online, and let me tell you, it was nothing short of miserable. Nothing worked right.
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    Yeah. What everyone else has said about beta testing. I beta tested (well, during the open beta, which was really just a paid first look, to be honest) Champions Online, and let me tell you, it was nothing short of miserable. Nothing worked right.
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  • RealPoifection
     
    Oct 2, 2009 5:40 am PT
    It's true. They will prioritize fixing bugs that are game breaking and/or balance wrecking. Even the best mmos are guilty of this. (eg. Vanish bug in WoW existed since beta and is only being fixed 5 years later)
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    It's true. They will prioritize fixing bugs that are game breaking and/or balance wrecking. Even the best mmos are guilty of this. (eg. Vanish bug in WoW existed since beta and is only being fixed 5 years later)
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