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  • indrasut
     
    Oct 1, 2008 7:01 am PT
    Just got news (might be old) that PC version of Fallout 3 wont have the DRM setup/activation like Spore or Mass Effect, simply a CD check.

    Source: http://news.bigdownload.com/2008/10/01/no-drm-set-up-for-pc-fallout-3/

    Now I just hope that it will be as good (hopefully better) than the console version, and also modifiable like Oblivion...

    With a CD check, I also will be concerned with the piracy rate that this game will be getting, but if you like Fallout and want to push PC gaming, please show your support by buying the game

    NOTE: Why am I talking like I'm working for either Bethesda or Gaming for Windows? I'm not both, but I guess just talking out loud there so if you plan to pirate it and you like it, buy the game if you can...
    Just got news (might be old) that PC version of Fallout 3 wont have the DRM setup/activation like Spore or Mass Effect, simply a CD check.

    Source: http://news.bigdownload.com/2008/10/01/no-drm-set-up-for-pc-fallout-3/

    Now I just hope that it will be as good (hopefully better) than the console version, and also modifiable like Oblivion...

    With a CD check, I also will be concerned with the piracy rate that this game will be getting, but if you like Fallout and want to push PC gaming, please show your support by buying the game :)

    NOTE: Why am I talking like I'm working for either Bethesda or Gaming for Windows? I'm not both, but I guess just talking out loud there so if you plan to pirate it and you like it, buy the game if you can...
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  • knetzerthegreat
     
    Oct 1, 2008 7:09 am PT
    They aren't releasing the construction set right away (they haven't even built it yet), and they aren't really promising to do so either (though the dev director said they "...really hope to do so soon." Still, even without an early flood of player-created content I always prefer the PC to the console. Plus, dev codes mean you can tweak your stats if you reach a part that's just more frustrating than challenging or fun.
    They aren't releasing the construction set right away (they haven't even built it yet), and they aren't really promising to do so either (though the dev director said they "...really hope to do so soon." Still, even without an early flood of player-created content I always prefer the PC to the console. Plus, dev codes mean you can tweak your stats if you reach a part that's just more frustrating than challenging or fun.
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  • Man_from_Uncle
     
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    Oct 1, 2008 7:24 am PT
    That's great news. I will be buying this game.
    That's great news. I will be buying this game.
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  • MBO-Sephy
     
    Oct 1, 2008 7:48 am PT
    Good. No hassle from my corsair friends.
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    Good. No hassle from my corsair friends.
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  • Z_Oblivion
     
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    Oct 1, 2008 8:09 am PT
    Great, that means no pirating...
    well, at least not as much as those OTHER games with DRM
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    Great, that means no pirating...
    well, at least not as much as those OTHER games with DRM :P
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  • Lord_Blade
     
    Oct 1, 2008 8:35 am PT
    Piracy will always be around. It can't be beat. The harder companies try, the more the hackers will work to crack the games.

    As for the DRM thing... I could care less.
    I have never had any sort of problem with SecuROM or Starforce, or any of those things. Neither has anyone I know.

    Apparently, there are some who attribute system issue to those programs. But considering that they make up about .01% of the people who have bought the games (if that)... it's not like it's a huge concern.
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    Piracy will always be around. It can't be beat. The harder companies try, the more the hackers will work to crack the games.

    As for the DRM thing... I could care less.
    I have never had any sort of problem with SecuROM or Starforce, or any of those things. Neither has anyone I know.

    Apparently, there are some who attribute system issue to those programs. But considering that they make up about .01% of the people who have bought the games (if that)... it's not like it's a huge concern.
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  • jsmith2001
     
    Oct 1, 2008 8:53 am PT
    With a CD check, I also will be concerned with the piracy rate that this game will be getting, but if you like Fallout 3 and want to push simplified console action-RPGs please show your support by buying the game

    Seems to be more applicable.

    And DRM does precisely jack **** to piracy rates, except for possibly increasing them.
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    With a CD check, I also will be concerned with the piracy rate that this game will be getting, but if you like Fallout 3 and want to push simplified console action-RPGs please show your support by buying the game :)

    Seems to be more applicable.

    And DRM does precisely jack **** to piracy rates, except for possibly increasing them.
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  • indrasut
     
    Oct 1, 2008 8:55 am PT
    Lord Blade, I know its not a huge concern for you, but the principle itself where you can only install 3-5 times is very restrictive. It's actually good that they are not planning to implement it in this game.

    The piracy itself will be there. I'm sure people can get this a week or two before its released on PC, no matter what protection system they use. I myself never have any problem with the Starforce or anything like that. Then again, that's why I said if you are planning to pirate the game and ended up liking it, support the PC gaming by buying the original
    Lord Blade, I know its not a huge concern for you, but the principle itself where you can only install 3-5 times is very restrictive. It's actually good that they are not planning to implement it in this game.

    The piracy itself will be there. I'm sure people can get this a week or two before its released on PC, no matter what protection system they use. I myself never have any problem with the Starforce or anything like that. Then again, that's why I said if you are planning to pirate the game and ended up liking it, support the PC gaming by buying the original :)
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  • Lord_Blade
     
    Oct 1, 2008 9:02 am PT
    Lord Blade, I know its not a huge concern for you, but the principle itself where you can only install 3-5 times is very restrictive. It's actually good that they are not planning to implement it in this game.

    You do get more than just the 3 installs for Spore.
    When you're out of installs, you call up their number, give them your CD Key, which they quickly verify, and you now have 3 more installs. Took me not even 2 minutes.

    They've even said they're working on a quicker method than that. Something about logging on to the Spore site, and verifying your info there. So basically you log on to the site, verify, and you're allowed to install the game on that system.
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    Lord Blade, I know its not a huge concern for you, but the principle itself where you can only install 3-5 times is very restrictive. It's actually good that they are not planning to implement it in this game.

    You do get more than just the 3 installs for Spore.
    When you're out of installs, you call up their number, give them your CD Key, which they quickly verify, and you now have 3 more installs. Took me not even 2 minutes.

    They've even said they're working on a quicker method than that. Something about logging on to the Spore site, and verifying your info there. So basically you log on to the site, verify, and you're allowed to install the game on that system.
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  • Alfran_Keith
     
    Oct 1, 2008 10:54 am PT
    Yay! This is great news for us pirates!


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    Yay! This is great news for us pirates!


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  • Man_from_Uncle
     
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    Oct 1, 2008 11:38 am PT
    Lord Blade, I know that you don't understand it, but when they limit your use the product you purchased without making it explicitly clear prior to purchase, they are acting illegally in most western countries. But because it is a civil matter that most people don't have the time and energy to contest the action (especially if they have lost their proof of purchase and can't seek reparation from the retailer which is the easiest option), EA simply have decided to break the law and hang the consequences. You can tell them to their face and in public that they are law breakers and though they may deny it, they won't legally defend it.

    It's a very basic right in most countries to both own and have fair and unlimited use of your own property, and while the law says the IP is owned by the software company, the 'means and the rights' to play the game are owned by the purchaser.
    Lord Blade, I know that you don't understand it, but when they limit your use the product you purchased without making it explicitly clear prior to purchase, they are acting illegally in most western countries. But because it is a civil matter that most people don't have the time and energy to contest the action (especially if they have lost their proof of purchase and can't seek reparation from the retailer which is the easiest option), EA simply have decided to break the law and hang the consequences. You can tell them to their face and in public that they are law breakers and though they may deny it, they won't legally defend it.

    It's a very basic right in most countries to both own and have fair and unlimited use of your own property, and while the law says the IP is owned by the software company, the 'means and the rights' to play the game are owned by the purchaser.
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  • Lord_Blade
     
    Oct 1, 2008 11:54 am PT
    Actually, they mention it in the EULA that you agree to when installing the game.
    You agree to it. So you can't complain.

    The fact that the store might not take back a PC game isn't EA's problem.
    In fact, many will accept same day returns on PC games. And the EB Games I go to gives you a week to return a PC game for a full refund.
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    Actually, they mention it in the EULA that you agree to when installing the game.
    You agree to it. So you can't complain.

    The fact that the store might not take back a PC game isn't EA's problem.
    In fact, many will accept same day returns on PC games. And the EB Games I go to gives you a week to return a PC game for a full refund.
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  • firedfns13
     
    Oct 1, 2008 12:06 pm PT
    I refuse to buy games that have massive drm.
    in fact, i either rent the console one or go about not playing them...
    I refuse to buy games that have massive drm.
    in fact, i either rent the console one or go about not playing them...
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  • Lord_Blade
     
    Oct 1, 2008 12:38 pm PT
    Good for you. You do that.

    Meanwhile, I'll stay addicted to Spore. LOL!
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    Good for you. You do that.

    Meanwhile, I'll stay addicted to Spore. LOL!
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  • GameFreak501
     
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    Oct 1, 2008 7:08 pm PT

    Great news! If this game would have had the same DRM as Spore (which I didn't buy), there would be no way I would have bought Fallout 3. This news = +1 purchase for Bethesda. Good job!

     

    Great news! If this game would have had the same DRM as Spore (which I didn't buy), there would be no way I would have bought Fallout 3. This news = +1 purchase for Bethesda. Good job!

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  • unitled
     
    Oct 2, 2008 1:01 am PT
    Actually, Lord Blade, game companies have been challenged in court several times over EULA. Usually, they back straight down as they are on VERY dodgy ground.

    They are pretty much unlawful; you can't see the agreement before you buy the game and the shop will refuse to refund you.
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    Actually, Lord Blade, game companies have been challenged in court several times over EULA. Usually, they back straight down as they are on VERY dodgy ground.

    They are pretty much unlawful; you can't see the agreement before you buy the game and the shop will refuse to refund you.
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  • Emonquente
     
    Oct 2, 2008 1:29 am PT
    Oh please don't let the SECURErom issue take over another game's board, especially not one that doesn't even have it! *giggles* I jest, but I did waste 3 days arguing both sides of this in Spore and I would have to say, I don't think anyone is going to change their minds, regardless what is said....actually, on the internet I don't think anyone changes their mind, its just too easy to refuse to admit you are wrong when settled into anonymity.. ..however you spell that word...heh heh.

    Like, me for instance, I -never- admit I'm wrong, ever, because I'm not ever . Actualy I just don't take sides, I argue for the sake of argument, trying to make people think, and I usually jsut get massively flamed XD.
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    Oh please don't let the SECURErom issue take over another game's board, especially not one that doesn't even have it! *giggles* I jest, but I did waste 3 days arguing both sides of this in Spore and I would have to say, I don't think anyone is going to change their minds, regardless what is said....actually, on the internet I don't think anyone changes their mind, its just too easy to refuse to admit you are wrong when settled into anonymity.. ..however you spell that word...heh heh.

    Like, me for instance, I -never- admit I'm wrong, ever, because I'm not ever :P. Actualy I just don't take sides, I argue for the sake of argument, trying to make people think, and I usually jsut get massively flamed XD.
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  • eviljet
     
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    Oct 2, 2008 8:37 am PT
    Oblivion was the same way. Bethesda knows whats up. I don't think they are hurting for Oblivion revenue...
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    Oblivion was the same way. Bethesda knows whats up. I don't think they are hurting for Oblivion revenue...
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  • Man_from_Uncle
     
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    Oct 2, 2008 9:18 am PT
    Lord Blade: - 'Actually, they mention it in the EULA that you agree to....'

    Which is what i opened with 'Lord Blade, I know that you don't understand....'

    The fact is the EULA has little legal weight, and absolutely none in this regard. The Contract of Sale is executed prior and apart from the EULA, and it's your rights as they pertain to the Contract of Sale that they are infringing on. If you've taken someones money, you can't then later ask them to adhere to more rules of use without first giving them their money back.

    You're even more disadvantaged than you appear if you can't grasp that not everything that goes into a signed agreement is legally binding. Having written a dozen or so contracts myself (employment, SLAs, ToUs, IP addendums and Contracts for Service for example) I can tell you that 50% of it is copied from other contracts, 10% is bollocks and 40% is you just trying your luck.
    Lord Blade: - 'Actually, they mention it in the EULA that you agree to....'

    Which is what i opened with 'Lord Blade, I know that you don't understand....'

    The fact is the EULA has little legal weight, and absolutely none in this regard. The Contract of Sale is executed prior and apart from the EULA, and it's your rights as they pertain to the Contract of Sale that they are infringing on. If you've taken someones money, you can't then later ask them to adhere to more rules of use without first giving them their money back.

    You're even more disadvantaged than you appear if you can't grasp that not everything that goes into a signed agreement is legally binding. Having written a dozen or so contracts myself (employment, SLAs, ToUs, IP addendums and Contracts for Service for example) I can tell you that 50% of it is copied from other contracts, 10% is bollocks and 40% is you just trying your luck.
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  • SeanIRL
     
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    Oct 2, 2008 9:40 am PT
    **** it. I was already probably going to buy this game but my dislike of a game series switching developers and what they usually causes made me weary. Now I shall almost certainly buy it :O

    Meanwhile I still have pirated Spore. Lolironylol.
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    **** it. I was already probably going to buy this game but my dislike of a game series switching developers and what they usually causes made me weary. Now I shall almost certainly buy it :O

    Meanwhile I still have pirated Spore. Lolironylol.
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