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maheo30  
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Nov 9, 2009 9:05 am PT

You can read the rest of the article at equip.org.

Atheist Antony Flew has said that the "onus of proof must lie upon the theist."1 Unless compelling reasons for God's existence can be given, there is the "presumption of atheism." Another atheist, Michael Scriven, considers the lack of evidence for God's existence and the lack of evidence for Santa Claus on the same level.2 However, the presumption of atheism actually turns out to be presumptuousness. The Christian must remember that the atheist also shares the burden of proof, which I will attempt to demonstrate below.

First, even if the theist could not muster good arguments for God's existence, atheism still would not be shown to be true.3 The outspoken atheist Kai Nielsen recognizes this: "To show that an argument is invalid or unsound is not to show that the conclusion of the argument is false.... All the proofs of God's existence may fail, but it still may be the case that God exists."4

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blackregiment  
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Nov 10, 2009 4:13 am PT

That article makes some excellent points. In debates with non-believers we must always challenge their premises. They frequently attempt to paint the playing field to their advantge and require Christians to play by one set of rules and them another. It reminds me of the application of the TOS.

On another but related note, I find it very revealing that no matter what evidence is presented, and there is a mountain of it, I have never met one single non-believer that will even acknowledge that any single piece of evidence, even in the slightest way, supports the existence of God and the truth of Christianity. That speaks loudly their "search for truth"  is in reality a "search for" reasons to support and confirm their pre-determined worldview.

Even if one took for example the most terrible person in the world, there could be found some evidence that they were not that bad. Yet when it comes to things of God, they will not acknowledge even one single piece of evidence as supportive of His existence. On the other hand, they will believe in black holes, parallel universes, certain sub-atomic particles, etc. that they have not seen or probably never will see. This quote speaks to that.

"Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover that materialism is absolute for we cannot allow a divine foot in the door." Darwinist Richard Lewontin of Harvard University

"Now the real truth comes out. It's not that the evidence supports Darwinism—in fact, according to Lewontin and our own common sense, Darwinist explanations are "counterintuitive." The real truth is that the Darwinists have defined science in such a way that the only possible answer is Darwinism. Any other definition would, God forbid, allow God to get his "foot in the door"!" Source: I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist

For me, this just confirms that it is not because non-believers can't see the evidence of God's existence, it is because they won't, for to do so entails the reality and responsibility of submission to Him and His revealed Word which tells of things to come. In my opinion, the "lack of evidence" argument is but a smokescreen.

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Disclaimer: To anyone reading this post, the above post should be taken literally based on what I actually wrote, not on what one thinks I wrote. Please do not speculate about what you thought I meant when I wrote it, or read something into it that I did not write, or infer that it was intended to "offend" some hypothetical person sitting in front of a hypothetical computer somewhere in the world. I can only be responsible for what I have written, not any one of thousands of inferences that one can make by connecting non-existent dots, whatever their motive for doing that may be.

I respect the right of others to believe whatever they choose. Please respect my right to do so as well. While others may differ, I do not accept the postmodern notion that truth is unknowable or that absolute truth does not exist. I believe that both of those statements are statements of absolute truth, and therefore self-refuting. That being said, I respect the rights of others to believe differently regarding this issue.

Thank you.



Edited on Nov 10, 2009 4:14 am PT
"If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God." Lord Kelvin, a British scientist, a pioneer in the study of thermodynamics.

"Throughout history, the only option available for those that cannot refute the truth, is to suppress it and silence anyone that dares to share it. As it was and as it remains..." Anonymous

maheo30  
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Nov 10, 2009 7:15 am PT
blackregiment wrote:

That article makes some excellent points. In debates with non-believers we must always challenge their premises. They frequently attempt to paint the playing field to their advantge and require Christians to play by one set of rules and them another. It reminds me of the application of the TOS.

On another but related note, I find it very revealing that no matter what evidence is presented, and there is a mountain of it, I have never met one single non-believer that will even acknowledge that any single piece of evidence, even in the slightest way, supports the existence of God and the truth of Christianity. That speaks loudly their "search for truth" is in reality a "search for" reasons to support and confirm their pre-determined worldview.

One ends up spinning in circles because they won't admit any evidence at all which of course they won't. Rebellious creatures hate God too much to do so.

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J-man45  
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Nov 12, 2009 4:48 pm PT
blackregiment wrote:

Even if one took for example the most terrible person in the world, there could be found some evidence that they were not that bad. Yet when it comes to things of God, they will not acknowledge even one single piece of evidence as supportive of His existence. On the other hand, they will believe in black holes, parallel universes, certain sub-atomic particles, etc. that they have not seen or probably never will see.

An excellent point.


Salute to Crushmaster!

sew182  
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Nov 25, 2009 8:26 am PT

blackregiment wrote:

That speaks loudly their "search for truth"  is in reality a "search for" reasons to support and confirm their pre-determined worldview.

EXCELLENT point, and so true!

Salute to Crushmaster! He held fast to the Word of God, an unpopular thing to do in our postmodern culture.

His final demise came for stating his personal Christian beliefs, on a Christian Union, in a discussion between Biblical Christians.

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