I love these Game vs. Game threads, I'll at least try bridge the gap between GT2 - GT4 for you, some things improved while some things went downhill.

Gran Turismo managed cover about every closed wheel racing type that i know of which even includes various Rally classes, Vintage things like the Ford Model T and even a few of our V8 Supercars (GT5 now covers NASCAR.now i believe, not that i care). Theres more focus on car Class tournaments (so you were forced to collect and use a wide range of cars), Theres overwhelming no. of car models in GT4 (its about 300-400 if you exclude the different versions of those Japanese imports) the GT endurance races got more ridiculous with the inclusion of 24 hour races which need some refining and better incentive, they introduced a driver management mode where you dont even have to race the car yourself (sounds stupid... but the game can often become grinding). There was one well known licsese test in GT4 that caused rage-quit for many, GT3-GT4 had scrapped the option to change a production car to a racing modification model, more licensed racetracks were probably the most prominent improvement.

Not much is known about GT5 one thing i noticed was more cars on the field (more than the pathetic 6) and the inclusion of some exotic manufacturers Polyphony didnt get their hands on with its predecessors, Forza 2 set a new benchmark, i believe Polyphony Digital can smash it, If they dothe only problem is will it be enough to meet what Forza 3 will offer,If they dont there are no excuses,

Considering theres been a working prologue thats been out for some time (i think theres was another released only in japan) the back of my mind believes they could well be finished.

I saw NFS shift in that crossharis episode... it does look great, the only problem is it just doesnt look like a NFS title no more

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[QUOTE="smooth40"]Forza and GT as much as I love the series sometimes I feel its too much of a racing simulator, the handling can be brutal at times however I love the modification of cars.

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Considering how GT has had the word "simulator" on the cover since the first game, I don't know exactly what you expected.

For me, if I were interested (Motorstorm: Pacific Rift and Wipeout HD have the racing scene covered for me), I'd go GT5. Polyphony have always been perfectionists regarding how the cars handle and generally feel, and getting the Nascar and WRC on board has made it very appealing. It's got nothing to do with the fact that I don't have a 360, I think.

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Thanks for that, it's not like I am a gaming noob, I have owned every single GT game since the series commenced. If you want to impress me name drop some racing games like Street Rod.

One thing that GT has never done is car damage at least Forza has that area covered, GT has always had a problem of just bouncing off walls, Polyphony aren't that perfect.

My point was that sometimes I just don't feel like playing racing simulators and want a little more arcade. My perfect balance is about 70% sim 30% arcade.

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i just hope they have damage models on the Rally cars at least...

one thing i missed with my previous post was how GT backed up the abscence of damage models by throwing in crash/bump penalites, it destroyed some of the latter class races where that rule was normally enforced.