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  • Level 40
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    Jun 3, 2008 10:21 am PT
    Tragic_Kingdom7 wrote:

    Just an observation, but some Sony fans seem to be brand-name drones.

    Everytime somebody mentions something that Splinter Cell does better than MGS (and there are a few things), cows will ignore the argument by saying that MGS is the greatest because it is MGS, which is the greatest.

    Everytime somebody mentions something that Forza does better than Gran Turismo, cows will ignore the argument by saying that GT is the greatest because it is GT, which is the greatest.

    In this thread, I see the same kind of thing happening. Some posters are trying to give 360 props with Mass Effect, Lost Odysee and Eternal Sonata and cows come in here with that "FFXIII will own them all and make PS3 RPG King, because it is FF, which is the greatest" garbage without telling us why it'll own, other than being a household name.

    These argument are lazy and should be comitted to an intellectual dumpster.

    Meh, that's what fanboys are like, I'm afraid. It's not just the PS3 fanboys though.


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    [QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

    Just an observation, but some Sony fans seem to be brand-name drones.

    Everytime somebody mentions something that Splinter Cell does better than MGS (and there are a few things), cows will ignore the argument by saying that MGS is the greatest because it is MGS, which is the greatest.

    Everytime somebody mentions something that Forza does better than Gran Turismo, cows will ignore the argument by saying that GT is the greatest because it is GT, which is the greatest.

    In this thread, I see the same kind of thing happening. Some posters are trying to give 360 props with Mass Effect, Lost Odysee and Eternal Sonata and cows come in here with that "FFXIII will own them all and make PS3 RPG King, because it is FF, which is the greatest" garbage without telling us why it'll own, other than being a household name.

    These argument are lazy and should be comitted to an intellectual dumpster.

    [/QUOTE]

    Meh, that's what fanboys are like, I'm afraid. It's not just the PS3 fanboys though.

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    Jun 3, 2008 10:22 am PT
    st1ka wrote:

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    My mistake. I've just counted Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Operation Darkness, but what is the 4th one?
    Edited on Jun 3, 2008 10:23 am PT

    [QUOTE="st1ka"]

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    [/QUOTE]My mistake. I've just counted Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Operation Darkness, but what is the 4th one?
  • Level 23
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    Jun 3, 2008 10:23 am PT
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    My mistake. I've just counted Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Operation Darkness, but what is the 4th one?

    i forgot about operation darkness

    the other 2 were too human and Fable 2

    Edited on Jun 3, 2008 10:24 am PT

    [QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    [/QUOTE]My mistake. I've just counted Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Operation Darkness, but what is the 4th one?[/QUOTE]

    i forgot about operation darkness

    the other 2 were too human and Fable 2

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    Jun 3, 2008 10:25 am PT

    Floppy_Jim wrote:
    Meh, that's what fanboys are like, I'm afraid. It's not just the PS3 fanboys though.

    Yeah, I'm starting to see that same mentality from some of the Halo fans. I mostly brought up Sony fans, because I observed this behavior coming from them in this thread. But to be honest, I see it more from them overall. Perhaps it's because their franchises are older.

    [QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Meh, that's what fanboys are like, I'm afraid. It's not just the PS3 fanboys though.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, I'm starting to see that same mentality from some of the Halo fans. I mostly brought up Sony fans, because I observed this behavior coming from them in this thread. But to be honest, I see it more from them overall. Perhaps it's because their franchises are older.

  • Level 32
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    Jun 3, 2008 10:29 am PT
    st1ka wrote:

    i dont know... Fable 2 too human, infinte undiscovery and Tales of vesperia will all be launched before those 2 games

    Fable 2 and Tales look awesome, but I am personally not too interested in the rest. I just feel like Final Fantasy is on a whole other level. ...Maybe I'm just a Final Fantasy fanboy.

    [QUOTE="st1ka"]

    i dont know... Fable 2 too human, infinte undiscovery and Tales of vesperia will all be launched before those 2 games

    [/QUOTE]

    Fable 2 and Tales look awesome, but I am personally not too interested in the rest. I just feel like Final Fantasy is on a whole other level. ...Maybe I'm just a Final Fantasy fanboy. :P

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    Jun 3, 2008 10:30 am PT
    NWA_31 wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    i dont know... Fable 2 too human, infinte undiscovery and Tales of vesperia will all be launched before those 2 games

    Fable 2 and Tales look awesome, but I am personally not too interested in the rest. I just feel like Final Fantasy is on a whole other level. ...Maybe I'm just a Final Fantasy fanboy.

    i lost interest in final fantasy after X-2, 11 and 12

    i also wasnt too impressed with X, but i can see the quality in the game, cant say the same for three above

    EDIT: also operation darkness will also be launched before final fantasy

    Edited on Jun 3, 2008 10:30 am PT

    [QUOTE="NWA_31"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    i dont know... Fable 2 too human, infinte undiscovery and Tales of vesperia will all be launched before those 2 games

    [/QUOTE]

    Fable 2 and Tales look awesome, but I am personally not too interested in the rest. I just feel like Final Fantasy is on a whole other level. ...Maybe I'm just a Final Fantasy fanboy. :P

    [/QUOTE]

    i lost interest in final fantasy after X-2, 11 and 12

    i also wasnt too impressed with X, but i can see the quality in the game, cant say the same for three above

    EDIT: also operation darkness will also be launched before final fantasy

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    Jun 3, 2008 10:30 am PT
    Tragic_Kingdom7 wrote:

    Floppy_Jim wrote:
    Meh, that's what fanboys are like, I'm afraid. It's not just the PS3 fanboys though.

    Yeah, I'm starting to see that same mentality from some of the Halo fans. I mostly brought up Sony fans, because I observed this behavior coming from them in this thread. But to be honest, I see it more from them overall. Perhaps it's because their franchises are older.

    That makes sense. But seeing as the TC's (Who has the reputation of being a MASSIVE Lemming and a bandodger) opening post was unbelievably fanboyish, I can't really blame the Cows for reacting the way they did. The TC said "Other wise only a brainwashed in denial fanboy would argue other wise."- that's just asking to be flamed.


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    [QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

    [QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Meh, that's what fanboys are like, I'm afraid. It's not just the PS3 fanboys though.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, I'm starting to see that same mentality from some of the Halo fans. I mostly brought up Sony fans, because I observed this behavior coming from them in this thread. But to be honest, I see it more from them overall. Perhaps it's because their franchises are older.

    [/QUOTE]

    That makes sense. But seeing as the TC's (Who has the reputation of being a MASSIVE Lemming and a bandodger) opening post was unbelievably fanboyish, I can't really blame the Cows for reacting the way they did. The TC said "Other wise only a brainwashed in denial fanboy would argue other wise."- that's just asking to be flamed.

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    Jun 3, 2008 10:32 am PT
    st1ka wrote:
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    My mistake. I've just counted Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Operation Darkness, but what is the 4th one?

    i forgot about operation darkness

    the other 2 were too human and Fable 2

    Are you sure those are RPG's? They don't quite seem to be in the conventional sense of the word.

    [QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    [/QUOTE]My mistake. I've just counted Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Operation Darkness, but what is the 4th one?[/QUOTE]

    i forgot about operation darkness

    the other 2 were too human and Fable 2

    [/QUOTE]Are you sure those are RPG's? They don't quite seem to be in the conventional sense of the word.
  • Level 23
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    Jun 3, 2008 10:33 am PT
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    My mistake. I've just counted Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Operation Darkness, but what is the 4th one?

    i forgot about operation darkness

    the other 2 were too human and Fable 2

    Are you sure those are RPG's? They don't quite seem to be in the conventional sense of the word.

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    [QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    [/QUOTE]My mistake. I've just counted Vesperia, Infinite Undiscovery, and Operation Darkness, but what is the 4th one?[/QUOTE]

    i forgot about operation darkness

    the other 2 were too human and Fable 2

    [/QUOTE]Are you sure those are RPG's? They don't quite seem to be in the conventional sense of the word.[/QUOTE]

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

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    Jun 3, 2008 10:42 am PT
    st1ka wrote:

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?

    [QUOTE="st1ka"]

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    [/QUOTE]Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?
  • Level 23
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    Jun 3, 2008 10:45 am PT
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?

    have you ever played diablo 2? its an RPG (heck i think it was PC and RPG of the year in gamespot in 2001)

    all you do is fight, and the cities only have 4 or 5 NPCs, didnt stop the game from being awesome

    [QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    [/QUOTE]Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?[/QUOTE]

    have you ever played diablo 2? its an RPG (heck i think it was PC and RPG of the year in gamespot in 2001)

    all you do is fight, and the cities only have 4 or 5 NPCs, didnt stop the game from being awesome

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    Jun 3, 2008 10:48 am PT
    st1ka wrote:
    nervmeister wrote:
    NWA_31 wrote:
    Fish_Muffins wrote:

    But clearly the 360 has been the leader in RPG's this gen. And seems to be ready to defend that crown for several more years to come.

    Sorry bro, but the 360 loses that crown as soon as FFXIII and/or FFvsXIII come out.

    I wouldn't say that just yet. And besides, let's see how Valkyria Chronicles, White Knight Story, and Disagea 3 fares first. Their competition on the 360 will most likely be Blue Dragon Lost Odyssey, and of course Mass Effect. A perfect match-up if you ask me.

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    That's the whole point. 360 has many more now and will have more before PS3 start getting anything really. And it's beauce of the blind fanboy goggles that prevent them to understand any reasoning once so ever.

    Edited on Jun 3, 2008 10:50 am PT
    [QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="NWA_31"][QUOTE="Fish_Muffins"]

    But clearly the 360 has been the leader in RPG's this gen. And seems to be ready to defend that crown for several more years to come.

    [/QUOTE]

    Sorry bro, but the 360 loses that crown as soon as FFXIII and/or FFvsXIII come out.

    [/QUOTE]I wouldn't say that just yet. And besides, let's see how Valkyria Chronicles, White Knight Story, and Disagea 3 fares first. Their competition on the 360 will most likely be Blue Dragon Lost Odyssey, and of course Mass Effect. A perfect match-up if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

    why is it that nobody mentions that the 360 will get 4 more RPG exclusives before any of those games are launched?

    [/QUOTE]

    That's the whole point. 360 has many more now and will have more before PS3 start getting anything really. And it's beauce of the blind fanboy goggles that prevent them to understand any reasoning once so ever.

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    Jun 3, 2008 10:50 am PT
    st1ka wrote:
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?

    have you ever played diablo 2? its an RPG (heck i think it was PC and RPG of the year in gamespot in 2001)

    all you do is fight, and the cities only have 4 or 5 NPCs, didnt stop the game from being awesome

    But does Too Human have towns with NPCs you can talk to?

    [QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    [/QUOTE]Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?[/QUOTE]

    have you ever played diablo 2? its an RPG (heck i think it was PC and RPG of the year in gamespot in 2001)

    all you do is fight, and the cities only have 4 or 5 NPCs, didnt stop the game from being awesome

    [/QUOTE]But does Too Human have towns with NPCs you can talk to?
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    Jun 3, 2008 10:53 am PT

    to be honest dont believe half of the people here that said they didnt like FF11 it was an MMO afterall and if you had played it you wouldnt have listed it in the list of failed FF games as it was on the PC and 360 not the PS3.

    owning both consoles is a huge bonus as i get to play the few good RPG's we have out right now and i have the awesome lineup to look forward to in the future.

    to be honest dont believe half of the people here that said they didnt like FF11 it was an MMO afterall and if you had played it you wouldnt have listed it in the list of failed FF games as it was on the PC and 360 not the PS3.

    owning both consoles is a huge bonus as i get to play the few good RPG's we have out right now and i have the awesome lineup to look forward to in the future.

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    Jun 3, 2008 10:54 am PT
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?

    have you ever played diablo 2? its an RPG (heck i think it was PC and RPG of the year in gamespot in 2001)

    all you do is fight, and the cities only have 4 or 5 NPCs, didnt stop the game from being awesome

    But does Too Human have towns with NPCs you can talk to?

    probably, i mean you have to get your quests, buy and sell your gear somewhere right?

    [QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    [/QUOTE]Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?[/QUOTE]

    have you ever played diablo 2? its an RPG (heck i think it was PC and RPG of the year in gamespot in 2001)

    all you do is fight, and the cities only have 4 or 5 NPCs, didnt stop the game from being awesome

    [/QUOTE]But does Too Human have towns with NPCs you can talk to?[/QUOTE]

    probably, i mean you have to get your quests, buy and sell your gear somewhere right?

  • Level 36
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    Jun 3, 2008 10:55 am PT
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?
    The RPG elements are indeed more then skin deep.

    Here is a bit of a taste.

    But then, the game is essentially an extension of Diablo which makes a major critique of the combat rather superfluous. Massive numbers of enemies are tossed at you at once and the hook to keep playing through the game multiple times is to level up your character (all the way to 50 on the first leg of the trilogy alone) and find sweet loot. The basic "push a button and get a reward" game psychology is here in full force. Just within the first hour of the game we came across a huge variety of upgrades. Six separate armor pieces, each of which changes your appearance when swapped, and numerous melee and gun classes are up for grabs. And the swords do feel different than the hammers and staves. Not everything can be equipped -- some require certain levels, skills or classes to be used -- but there is no shortage of loot to be found and toyed with.

    The RPG mechanics go deeper than leveling up and managing equipment. A stats screen keeps track of your playtime, defensive and offensive statistics, as well as providing numbers for all of the standard RPG categories. It also showed a token list for each of the four worlds (Hel, Hall of Heroes, Ice Forest, and World Serpent) which we assume would be special hidden bonuses.

    That big guns are no joke.Then there's the skill tree, blueprints, and runes; three aspects of the game we only got a small glimpse of. There are only five ****s, plus perhaps more on the way as downloadable extras, but even two players with the same ****can have radically different abilities. The skill tree unlocks at level five, which came at the tail end of the area we were allowed to play in. It won't be possible to unlock every skill, we're told, requiring each player to choose which branches to invest in. You'll also have to choose whether to align yourself with humans or machines; one providing more attack moves while the other gives you access to extra weapons and weapon functions, including a massive cannon. The runes, meanwhile, provide little side quests of sorts and reward you with small stat or skill bonuses upon completion. Each requires a small task to be complete in the game, such as to kill 25 enemies with explosives, but they must be equipped to activate the quest.

    If there's one thing that our time with gave us, it was a desire to see more of the game. The RPG mechanics are solid, even if the combat isn't quite all there yet. Everything is still in the works, which makes this game so intriguing. We can give the combat a pass for now as it isn't quite finished and may evolve drastically as the game progresses to become more in-depth. We saw only an hour of the game and reached level seven with just a few skills and a fraction of the story revealed to us. And it still was a bit overwhelming. The later level content sounds great, especially since the game is designed to be played through multiple times with friends as the enemy placement and loot drops change each time. Don't count Too Human out yet. You might be sorry you did.

    [QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    [/QUOTE]Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?[/QUOTE]The RPG elements are indeed more then skin deep.

    Here is a bit of a taste.

    But then, the game is essentially an extension of Diablo which makes a major critique of the combat rather superfluous. Massive numbers of enemies are tossed at you at once and the hook to keep playing through the game multiple times is to level up your character (all the way to 50 on the first leg of the trilogy alone) and find sweet loot. The basic "push a button and get a reward" game psychology is here in full force. Just within the first hour of the game we came across a huge variety of upgrades. Six separate armor pieces, each of which changes your appearance when swapped, and numerous melee and gun classes are up for grabs. And the swords do feel different than the hammers and staves. Not everything can be equipped -- some require certain levels, skills or classes to be used -- but there is no shortage of loot to be found and toyed with.

    The RPG mechanics go deeper than leveling up and managing equipment. A stats screen keeps track of your playtime, defensive and offensive statistics, as well as providing numbers for all of the standard RPG categories. It also showed a token list for each of the four worlds (Hel, Hall of Heroes, Ice Forest, and World Serpent) which we assume would be special hidden bonuses.

    That big guns are no joke.Then there's the skill tree, blueprints, and runes; three aspects of the game we only got a small glimpse of. There are only five ****s, plus perhaps more on the way as downloadable extras, but even two players with the same ****can have radically different abilities. The skill tree unlocks at level five, which came at the tail end of the area we were allowed to play in. It won't be possible to unlock every skill, we're told, requiring each player to choose which branches to invest in. You'll also have to choose whether to align yourself with humans or machines; one providing more attack moves while the other gives you access to extra weapons and weapon functions, including a massive cannon. The runes, meanwhile, provide little side quests of sorts and reward you with small stat or skill bonuses upon completion. Each requires a small task to be complete in the game, such as to kill 25 enemies with explosives, but they must be equipped to activate the quest.

    If there's one thing that our time with gave us, it was a desire to see more of the game. The RPG mechanics are solid, even if the combat isn't quite all there yet. Everything is still in the works, which makes this game so intriguing. We can give the combat a pass for now as it isn't quite finished and may evolve drastically as the game progresses to become more in-depth. We saw only an hour of the game and reached level seven with just a few skills and a fraction of the story revealed to us. And it still was a bit overwhelming. The later level content sounds great, especially since the game is designed to be played through multiple times with friends as the enemy placement and loot drops change each time. Don't count Too Human out yet. You might be sorry you did.

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    Jun 3, 2008 11:02 am PT
    SecretPolice wrote:
    nervmeister wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?
    The RPG elements are indeed more then skin deep.

    Here is a bit of a taste.

    But then, the game is essentially an extension of Diablo which makes a major critique of the combat rather superfluous. Massive numbers of enemies are tossed at you at once and the hook to keep playing through the game multiple times is to level up your character (all the way to 50 on the first leg of the trilogy alone) and find sweet loot. The basic "push a button and get a reward" game psychology is here in full force. Just within the first hour of the game we came across a huge variety of upgrades. Six separate armor pieces, each of which changes your appearance when swapped, and numerous melee and gun classes are up for grabs. And the swords do feel different than the hammers and staves. Not everything can be equipped -- some require certain levels, skills or classes to be used -- but there is no shortage of loot to be found and toyed with.

    The RPG mechanics go deeper than leveling up and managing equipment. A stats screen keeps track of your playtime, defensive and offensive statistics, as well as providing numbers for all of the standard RPG categories. It also showed a token list for each of the four worlds (Hel, Hall of Heroes, Ice Forest, and World Serpent) which we assume would be special hidden bonuses.

    That big guns are no joke.Then there's the skill tree, blueprints, and runes; three aspects of the game we only got a small glimpse of. There are only five ****s, plus perhaps more on the way as downloadable extras, but even two players with the same ****can have radically different abilities. The skill tree unlocks at level five, which came at the tail end of the area we were allowed to play in. It won't be possible to unlock every skill, we're told, requiring each player to choose which branches to invest in. You'll also have to choose whether to align yourself with humans or machines; one providing more attack moves while the other gives you access to extra weapons and weapon functions, including a massive cannon. The runes, meanwhile, provide little side quests of sorts and reward you with small stat or skill bonuses upon completion. Each requires a small task to be complete in the game, such as to kill 25 enemies with explosives, but they must be equipped to activate the quest.

    If there's one thing that our time with gave us, it was a desire to see more of the game. The RPG mechanics are solid, even if the combat isn't quite all there yet. Everything is still in the works, which makes this game so intriguing. We can give the combat a pass for now as it isn't quite finished and may evolve drastically as the game progresses to become more in-depth. We saw only an hour of the game and reached level seven with just a few skills and a fraction of the story revealed to us. And it still was a bit overwhelming. The later level content sounds great, especially since the game is designed to be played through multiple times with friends as the enemy placement and loot drops change each time. Don't count Too Human out yet. You might be sorry you did.

    Thats what is so FREAKING AWESOME. The loot drops change on the fly each time you play. This game is going to be sick. You can also change your character with the skill tree each time you play online.

    [QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    some people would argue that Fable is more RPG then final fantasy is

    as for too human its a diablo type game so yes its an RPG

    [/QUOTE]Now that I think about it, I agree that Fable 2 is an RPG, but Too Human as far as I've heard is mostly an action game and technically not an RPG though it does have some elements of one. As Baldur do you walk into towns or cities and talk with the locals when you're not fighting?[/QUOTE]The RPG elements are indeed more then skin deep.

    Here is a bit of a taste.

    But then, the game is essentially an extension of Diablo which makes a major critique of the combat rather superfluous. Massive numbers of enemies are tossed at you at once and the hook to keep playing through the game multiple times is to level up your character (all the way to 50 on the first leg of the trilogy alone) and find sweet loot. The basic "push a button and get a reward" game psychology is here in full force. Just within the first hour of the game we came across a huge variety of upgrades. Six separate armor pieces, each of which changes your appearance when swapped, and numerous melee and gun classes are up for grabs. And the swords do feel different than the hammers and staves. Not everything can be equipped -- some require certain levels, skills or classes to be used -- but there is no shortage of loot to be found and toyed with.

    The RPG mechanics go deeper than leveling up and managing equipment. A stats screen keeps track of your playtime, defensive and offensive statistics, as well as providing numbers for all of the standard RPG categories. It also showed a token list for each of the four worlds (Hel, Hall of Heroes, Ice Forest, and World Serpent) which we assume would be special hidden bonuses.

    That big guns are no joke.Then there's the skill tree, blueprints, and runes; three aspects of the game we only got a small glimpse of. There are only five ****s, plus perhaps more on the way as downloadable extras, but even two players with the same ****can have radically different abilities. The skill tree unlocks at level five, which came at the tail end of the area we were allowed to play in. It won't be possible to unlock every skill, we're told, requiring each player to choose which branches to invest in. You'll also have to choose whether to align yourself with humans or machines; one providing more attack moves while the other gives you access to extra weapons and weapon functions, including a massive cannon. The runes, meanwhile, provide little side quests of sorts and reward you with small stat or skill bonuses upon completion. Each requires a small task to be complete in the game, such as to kill 25 enemies with explosives, but they must be equipped to activate the quest.

    If there's one thing that our time with gave us, it was a desire to see more of the game. The RPG mechanics are solid, even if the combat isn't quite all there yet. Everything is still in the works, which makes this game so intriguing. We can give the combat a pass for now as it isn't quite finished and may evolve drastically as the game progresses to become more in-depth. We saw only an hour of the game and reached level seven with just a few skills and a fraction of the story revealed to us. And it still was a bit overwhelming. The later level content sounds great, especially since the game is designed to be played through multiple times with friends as the enemy placement and loot drops change each time. Don't count Too Human out yet. You might be sorry you did.

    [/QUOTE]

    Thats what is so FREAKING AWESOME. The loot drops change on the fly each time you play. This game is going to be sick. You can also change your character with the skill tree each time you play online.

  • Level 11
    Atomic Punk
    Posts: 780
    Jun 3, 2008 11:34 am PT
    It is like diablo 2 in 3D and on steroids, could be GOTY 2008 easilly
    It is like diablo 2 in 3D and on steroids, could be GOTY 2008 easilly
  • Level 15
    Nobunaga's Ambition
    Posts: 12191
    Jun 3, 2008 11:37 am PT
    st1ka wrote:

    i lost interest in final fantasy after X-2, 11 and 12

    i also wasnt too impressed with X, but i can see the quality in the game, cant say the same for three above

    EDIT: also operation darkness will also be launched before final fantasy

    Yeah...Operation Darkness....

    http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/operation-darkness-/review/operation-darkness/a-20080515155225349070/g-20071220155751388044/p-2

    The Playstation 3 has won the SJPRG genre, tbh.

    Yes, one of the most least significant genres ftw!

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    [QUOTE="st1ka"]

    i lost interest in final fantasy after X-2, 11 and 12

    i also wasnt too impressed with X, but i can see the quality in the game, cant say the same for three above

    EDIT: also operation darkness will also be launched before final fantasy

    [/QUOTE]

    Yeah...Operation Darkness....

    [url]http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/operation-darkness-/review/operation-darkness/a-20080515155225349070/g-20071220155751388044/p-2[/url]

    The Playstation 3 has won the SJPRG genre, tbh.

    Yes, one of the most least significant genres ftw!

  • Level 23
    Super Bagman
    Posts: 8823
    Jun 3, 2008 11:40 am PT
    thrones wrote:
    st1ka wrote:

    i lost interest in final fantasy after X-2, 11 and 12

    i also wasnt too impressed with X, but i can see the quality in the game, cant say the same for three above

    EDIT: also operation darkness will also be launched before final fantasy

    Yeah...Operation Darkness....

    The Playstation 3 has won the SJPRG genre, tbh.

    Yes, one of the most least significant genres ftw!

    too bad... i had my eye on this one

    [QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

    i lost interest in final fantasy after X-2, 11 and 12

    i also wasnt too impressed with X, but i can see the quality in the game, cant say the same for three above

    EDIT: also operation darkness will also be launched before final fantasy

    [/QUOTE]

    Yeah...Operation Darkness....

    The Playstation 3 has won the SJPRG genre, tbh.

    Yes, one of the most least significant genres ftw!

    [/QUOTE]

    too bad... i had my eye on this one

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