Consoles are great for people who can't afford a REAL gaming PC but all this back and forth about specs on a console is ridiculous. All you need to know is no matter which one you go with it will be better than the one you currently have! As far as a console being better than a PC...come back to the world of reality! I have a 3rd GEN I7 CPU 2.4-3.4 GHZ, 2 GTX 680 in SLI, SSD drives and to add insult to injury I'm packing 32GB of fast DDR3 1600MHZ system memory. The Xbox and playstation together could not mess with my rig. If you've got a powerful PC then my advise would be stick with that, as this new crop of gaming consoles is basically "much to do about nothing".
The new Kinect is reported to have an infrared sensor and will work in more living rooms.
A leaked document has reported to know the specs and capabilities of Microsoft's upcoming Kinect 2.0, the motor sensor device reported to be arriving with each and every Xbox 720 when the currently unannounced machine launches, presumably in 2013.
VGLeaks, which previously leaked a spec sheet for the next Xbox--codenamed Durango--has posted the information, showing a new sensor allowing for infrared detection alongside a big boost in the Kinect 2.0's ability to sense depth, colour, and a decreased latency period. The site claims this will be 60ms as opposed to 90ms, due to a switch to USB 3.0.
The Kinect 2.0 is reported to feature far superior skeletal tracking and the ability to detect up to six players, thanks to a far wider viewing angle over the original that allows the device to function without the need for a tilt monitor.
Even the quality of the camera is reported to be significantly superior, allowing for 30fps capture at 1080p as opposed to 15fps at a 640x480 resolution.
Like the original, the VGLeaks report says Kinect 2.0 will be a wired unit which sits separately from the main console, but will be able to work in a far greater number of rooms in varying lighting conditions. The machine will also be able to better function alongside furniture, hopefully making hasty living room reorganisations a thing of the past.
"As part of the process of producing the depth stream," says the VGLeaks report, "the sensor uses an active [infrared] stream. This stream is 512x424 at 30 frames per second. The active IR stream is stable across variable lighting conditions. For example, shadows, pixel intensities and noise characteristics are the same for a well-lit room the same as for no light in the room. As a result, this stream could be used for feature detection in situations where a color stream would be useless."
It is also alleged that the new Xbox will keep some of its resources set aside so that Kinect can be run across multiple applications. "Core Kinect functionality that is frequently used by titles and the system itself are part of the allocation system, including color, depth, active IR, ST, identity, and speech. Using these features or not costs a game title the same memory, CPU time, and GPU time," says VGLeaks.
For the latest on Microsoft's next Xbox, check out GameSpot's previous coverage.
I'm looking forward to seeing what developers can do with a much improved version of the Kinect. I think in the coming new gen of consoles we're going to learn the same thing that we did with the PS3 and the 360, the consoles really aren't going to perform much differently from each other. The coming gen of consoles are going to be about the types of services and features MS and Sony can add to make their Brands standout. It's not going to be a processor or horsepower driven war but a feature driven one. If anything MS and Sony know that they need to provide a great environment for developers to bring their games to life but in the end it's the features MS and Sony can provide with their networks, interfaces, etc that will snag gamers as well as great games.
Seeing as though nearly all of those design philosophies are still present in the latest versions of Windows, I'd think twice before saying that they didn't pay off.
Apparently they have good reason to push something that's been out for a couple of years and hasn't caught on. I say there is good reason the camera is there. They are always watching you.
@tightwad34 Hasn't caught on? Kinect is the most successful peripheral that's ever been attached to a console.
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and honestly guys if MS wanted to steel some shine from Sony dont you think they would have leaked something a lil more shiny that people will pay a lil more attention to than kinect 2.0
I was doubtful about the kinect but having got one it is very impressive, if the new one works better in small rooms and is more of an accompaniment to the pad than a replacement like it is in many games then this will be a big win for MS.
No doubt this leak came from Microsoft to try to take away some of Sony's thunder. But does Microsoft seriously think any gamer gives two shits about the kinect in any fashion whatsoever? I don't care if it worked flawlessly, I want to play games with a controller, not my body. Kinect 2.0 is a complete and utter waste of resources. It greatly adds to the cost of the machine and that means more important things get sacrificed. I really hope Microsoft is planning on selling the console at a heavy loss to include that crap, or I'll definitely be going with Sony this holiday.
@Vodoo I disagree with you. I think kinect is a big compliment in video gaming. It's good thing to do physical activity in video game. I play dance central 3 regularly not just for fun but to exercise my body as well. I'm excited with this upcoming improved kinect.
@Vodoo24mil people who have bought a kinect care and MS care more about those 24mil customers than you and the 5 people who agree with you
@steelmouth @Vodoo Hey numnutts... I bought a Kinect on day one myself. Haven't touched it in over a year and I'm sure there's millions of people in the same boat. My girlfriend bought an Xbox just to have Kinect because playing mine was so fun, and she isn't even a gamer. She hasn't touched it in over a year either. It's a novelty device and nothing more. Once the novelty wears off in the first month it's a paper-weight. This is not something Microsoft should be throwing their weight behind.
Maybe you like being a casual gamer, but I'm a bit more serious with my hobby. So stop playing words with friends long enough to open your eyes and realize it's a huge mistake. And don't be such a whiney fanboy either. It's not becoming of a casual gamer, lol.
@Vodoo If kinect was a failure, then the less said about Sony's peripheral the better.
@Vodoo PS i totally agree with you on each and every point the problem is the 24mil people who bought a kinect and think otherwise
@Vodoo yes it was a huge mistake that sold 24mil units and MS should just give up on it because it failed after selling 24mil units at $100-$150 a unit
It sounds a bit like they will bundle this thing again to make out that it is adding value to the main console pack price rather than allow people to buy a cheaper pack without the Kinect 2.0.
I reckon that people who complain about the Kinect have never gathered half a dozen friends and a dozen six-packs around it on a Friday night. Of course it's not for everyday gaming, but it has its uses BESIDES holding paper down.
@edhc44 Yea, it's a party gaming peripheral and it works fine for that purpose. The problem is that Microsoft is trying to force it on people as a main game playing function. It's much quicker to control the system with a controller and, like you said, it's not for everyday gaming. But Microsoft thinks it is.
this could only mean one thing, another extra $150 for the new xbox that i won't be able to fully use because i play video games in my bedroom (on my bed). Hope there won't be any Gears, Halo, or Forza games that require extensive use of Kinect 2.0.
I don't even want a Kinect. Unless they make better applications of this one that is. Also, I don't want/need it in every game please.
Boring.. How about some quality games to go with an awesome gaming console were i sit down using my controller and enjoy it. If i wana jump around my living room ill do that with my girlfriend as im pumping her from behind lol
I want to use the Kinect as a LIDAR type scanner so 3D animators can use it for motion capture and modellers can use this to scan people/objects and have high resolution textures too.
@MovieBuff1980 I've been using the current Kinect for mocap and scanning and it works fairly well, but a better Kinect would be really awesome.
I've never played a game with it though, and I never plan to. I also wasn't enough of a sucker to buy the "Kinect for Windows" for $150 more.
Asus has a sensor now too, it would be neat to see if they can come up with something better before Kinect 2.0 comes along.
I don't think Sony will ever own the U.S. again. They will always dominate in Japan and probably most of Europe. Sony may end up going bankrupt with the PS4. Don't know how many more building they have left to sell. The PS4 rumored prices is still a bit steap for me to rush out and buy one. Sony's conference didn't answer many of the rumors. Blocked Used Games? Fees for Online Service.
Guess i'll be unplugging this from the unit and stored away.. Why am i going to use a device that MS can potentially use and spy on me, lol..
Better news would be: Xbox 720 will not have Kinect! Microsoft says no more paying for online that competitors offer for free!
Even though I'm PC mostly these days....I wouldn't rule out console gaming....except for when they pull motion control only stunts like this. If this is indeed true....will never buy.
Kinect must always be on in order to play anything on the new xbox, so if you didn't like the kinect before, get used to it, it will be spying on you and family very soon, as for me i don't like webcams or anything that is connected to another area were someone aside the person i am trying to video chat can see me and them as well. get ready.
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