@ heroesfan261 : ''hardcore'' is (at least in my opinion) a very incorrectly used term,just because a game boasts an m title and is solely focused on guns'n'gore doesn't make it ''hardcore'' and just because a game doesn't include said features doesn't make it ''casual'' because angry birds has a small amount of levels,little story line,and not much variety in gameplay it is considered casual,doesn't make it bad,but still casual.A person who spends 15+ hours a week playing Legend of Zelda is JUST AS hardcore as a gamer playing Assassin's Creed 15+ hours a week.Hardcore is how much you put your heart into it and how much it is your life,not just a certain type of game you play.That is like saying the only hard-core movie watchers there are watch horror movies and the only hardcore music..listeners (or whatever the term is) there are listen to rap...see that logic (or lack there-of) ?
Cevat Yerli expects Sony's next handheld to have a hard time carving out its market against tablets, mobile devices, and the 3DS.
The PlayStation Vita may be Sony's next-generation handheld, but one developer wonders if the upcoming portable system is already behind the times. In a newly published interview with Develop, Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli expressed appreciation for Sony and the PS Vita, as well as skepticism about their commercial prospects.
"The Vita is an absolutely fantastic platform, but it will have a hard time, and it might be too late," Yerli said. "I love Sony as a company, and we have great relations with them, but the Vita is going to have a hard time against the next generation mobiles and all the tablets. There's also the 3DS investing in this market."
Yerli went on to say the winners in the portable market would be determined partly by content, but also by "the platform's ability to receive the content."
While Yerli characterizes his relationship with Sony positively, it isn't very old. The March launch of Crysis 2 marked Crytek's first excursion on a Sony platform for the previously PC-exclusive developer. While rumors spread last month that the studio intended to finish up the multiplatform TimeSplitters 4--which was in development at Free Radical when Crytek acquired the company--Crytek has not officially announced projects on the way for the PlayStation 3 or Vita.
@paranormalnut I assume you're talking about the tegra 2 chip for phones and if you think that the tegra 2 chip can push past what ps3's can do you are either blind or dumb. Look at the best looking game for the tegra chip or at least the best tech demo. Then, look at uncharted 3, see a difference?
@paranormalnut oh yeah i have no idea what a hardcore gamer is because if I play angry birds and doodlejump I must be a hardcore gamer. A hardcore gamer is a gamer who plays hardcore games, Casual games are called casual games for a reason. asked for a hardcore game that sold over 1,000,000 copies, angry birds is a casual game. NES had hardcore games as well.
@heroesfan261 You have no idea what a hardcore gamer is in the first place... It is not what you place but how much you play it... You can be a hardcore gamer and play the crap out of cell phones games. When I was a kid I played the crap out of NES. Did that make me less of a gamer because we did not have games like we have now... As for cell gaming. Nvidia is talking about the new chip they have for Cell. The little chip can push more than what what PS3 can do.. CRAZY I KNOW! 1,000,000 copies you ask.. Angery Bird.. 3X that on over all salls on other hardware.
@paranormalnut just give me one, just one hardcore mobile game that has sold over 1,000,000 copies. All cell phones have is casual games and ports of older SNES RPG's
@paranormalnut who cares if hardcore gamers is less than one percent of PC users, which i doubt is actually true. That doesn't make PC gaming dead. Look at Witcher 2. The graphics are as good as they are because it was made exclusively with PC power in mind. You find me this samsung phone that could run Gears 3, I'd really like to see it. Or hell even one that could run Gears 1. There isn't one. PSVITA is the only handheld coming out that even approaches console graphics.
@paranormalnut Who cares if PC/Mac sales are down. Unlike phones PC's don't just get replaced by a bigger/better version every year people simply buy newer parts rather than a new PC. That and about half of PC gamers build their own PC's anyways. The xperia play is nothing like the vita. And no their graphics chips aren't even remotely similar. And no samsung does not have a phone coming out with 360 quality graphics.
@heroesfan261 Once more PC/Mac salls are down. Cell phones salls is up. Song is coming out with a phone that plays games like cell phones and the vita. But it is a cell phone. The phone sony is putting out has the same chip that is in the vita but not as powerful. It can still play some heavy games. Samesung has a phone coming out that can push like the 360. Hardcore gamers don't even make 1% of PC users. PC is at a point where they are used for much needed power like running a music studio, video, CGI, and photos. A few weeks ago a guy, leo the tech guy talk about PC getting killed by sell phones. I'll stay with PC because I like power.
@paranormalnut lol, if that's the best you can do then please stop responding. But if you somefind an argument that actually stands up to scrutiny and shows how cell phones are taking pc's place, be my guest. PC's have been here for a very long time and they're not going anywhere.
@paranormalnut name one cellphone game that has a modding community anywhere near the size of oblivion or half life 2? "we are at the point where no one cares about power" LOLWUT. No matter what, gamers will always prefer the system that has the best graphics and the best games. Phones have nowhere near the graphical capabilities of a 360 let alone a pc. Games like halo or uncharted will never be on phones because exclusivity of good games boost sales. All phones really have it casual games. If you think gamers don't care about hardware anymore, you are a moron.
@heroesfan261 Gaming on PC is the best way, How ever do you think every gamer wants to spend 300+ on a video card just to get he best out of there game? NO! Also games on cell phones make more money than PC games. More sell, more play them. That is a fact. Once more, we are at the point where no one cares about power. People want the 1 thing that can do everything and that is the cell phone. There is also modding community on phones. Also That link I gave you was 1 out of 1000's that talk about how Cell phones are killing PC. Now that cell phones can what they can now, theyer sales are up 70% and PC/Mac sales are down 66.4% That is a fact..
@Majkic666 Now you're just being silly. You know that's not what I'm trying to say. I am saying that saying it's going to have a hard time against other devices depends more on the quality of the games than the hardware and when it's released.
@paranormalnut ooh because there's an article on the internet about it it must be true right? I'm sorry if you think that phones will ever replace desktop PC's you know nothing about gamers. No matter what, desktop PC's and products built for gaming will always have better hardware and better first party support than phones. Plus, there is absolutely no modding community on phones. Phones will never kill the PC, if you think so, you are an idiot.
It's really easy to make the same things for mobile phones on 3DS and the regular psp for that matter, and the 3DS, can handle more than DS games, Games as big as full PS2 or better games work on it, it and the psp have been well underrated, actuall they have alot in common,and can support DLC
@zaiwen They are involved in the same market. I believe the handheld gaming market is finished. You can have equal amounts of fun on mobile games and on the Vita or 3DS.
why would you even have to compare mobile phone games to Vitas & 3DS's? games alone of iOS & Android pales in comparison to full games of PS & 3DS.. besides Vita has touch screen too... sorta
@gunblade: I think the graphics matter to some extent..but mainly just to the big leap from ds to 3ds...because often graphics come with horsepower,I think it is almost something that can't be divided (or at least when it comes to portables) I myself am not a big fan of sidescrollers or the like,it is usually polygonal or bust with few exceptions for me,so that means at least exceptable graphics and pretty good horsepower are a must for me to be able to enjoy those. I agree about the support.You also have to factor in firsty party support which is equally important,the ds had a TON of First Party titles (mariokart,multiple mario games,2 zelda's,mario 64,etc.) which made them sell like hotcakes while psp had few if any.Vita seems to be picking up where psp was lacking and I applaud sony for that (realizing their mistakes and correcting them) they are adding many of their most successful exclusives and 1st party titles to vita.I don't think Vita will ''dominate'' by any means,they still will have stiff competition from 3ds by vita release.Nintendo has a large arsenal of best seller and popular 1st party titles (kid icarus,super mario,mario kart,Animal Crossing,etc.) and quite a few 3rd parties also.I think 3ds still is the most likely to dominate the portable market this time around,but that is IF there is a dominator at all,best case both will do equally well which makes everyone happy.
@warhawk: don't worry I take almost nothing personally ;) The fact remains though that the 3ds has more things different from ds than it has alike.It has kept some of the basic principles like touch screen and microphone..but that is where the similarities end.It has vastley improved graphics and horsepower often on par (if not exceeding) wii.It also has a much improved home system which makes the ds's look like a joke,it also includes the amazing circle pad which even beats the analog stick.And in what ways are either gameplay videos even alike? 90% of the current 3ds games are ploygonal 3d (as opposed to sidescrolling and mini-game based as 90% of ds games were) experiences almost like consoles,while most of the ds's games were either puzzle or mini-game based or 2d sidescrollers,while both are good in their own field don't stack up to the incredible action possible in titles like Ocarina of Time or Resident Evil. Aside from all this new innovation the 3ds has exactly how could they make it any different from the 3ds?
dont worry i really hate games on tablets and any other phone games for me the name of the handheld games is psp vita and 3ds
@warhawk-geeby It's like saying that the PS3 is the same thing as the PS2 except with a Blu-Ray player...
I don't see graphical power as a decisive factor, everything counts toward the sucess of gaming platforms: the feeling, the look, the controls and most important of all, the support. If Sony invests heavily on the Vita I don't see why it can't succeed. It's all in the support really, the DS received more third-party support here in the Americas and Europe than the PSP, but the PSP received a big support in Japan so that's why it sells so well there, it has games that attracts the Japanese crowd. I think both DS and PSP are quality handhelds, I couldn't choose between one or another so I think the same will happen with the 3DS and Vita.
@warhawk-geeby: "Aside from the 3D" is kind of a big "aside," though, isn't it? By that standard, isn't a Vita basically the same old PSP, "aside from more horsepower?" I don't know that touchscreens/pads seem like much of an innovation in this post-DS and Apple market. I also think it's funny that people complain about new control methods being gimmicks, but if you *don't* have one, apparently, it's "same old, same old." Anyway, I think the 3DS's sales have largely been a factor of pricing. But Nintendo has a HUGE cushion there: they could literally drop the 3DS by $100 the day the Vita launches and still make a profit on hardware. We'll see. @edant: That's true, but it's sales, total, that determine relative success. The PSP came out at the height of Sony's influence, when people really bought into the media-convergence element ("Look! It plays games, movies, and music!"), and everyone swore up and down that it was going to destroy the DS because it was more powerful. And yet the DS has outsold it 2-to-1. If not for the unexpected surprise success (and then milking of) Monster Hunter, that gap would be even larger. So no, the PSP wasn't a flop, but it's tough to make getting outsold that badly seem like a success when everybody's expectations (fans and Sony's) were so high. Point is, just assuming the more powerful console is going to win is usually a fool's bet.
@moviequest14 Woah woah woah there cowboy. Don't take it personally.. I'm just saying. From what I've seen gameplay-wise it looks identical to the old DS - except in 3D. People take everything to heart on here.. The DS seems to have had fairly slow sales anyway, so I think the average person probably agrees. Aside from the 3D aspect it looks same old same old.
@warhawk: I am always surprised by the amount of posts by people who not only do not own a 3ds but also feel as though they are a master on the topic even though they know nothing about it and though they know so little about all the improvements,because it has ds in the name assumes 3d is the only thing that has been added,thank you for contributing to that surprise.
I think its good to remember also that America ain't the only continent on the planet. Worldwide PSP sold close to 70 million units, which is definitely nothing to sneeze at, and is currently still on fire in Japan. Yet over here everyone makes it sound like a total flop.
I am positive the Vita will do well this time around, and it has a key feature that everyone has also wanted, the dual sticks.
Ummmmm okay. I don't want a tablet for gaming, and neither would I want a gaming phone.. as for the 3DS it's basically a 3D-DS with very little improvement. With the cross-compatibility between this and the PS3 it's sure to be a winner. Not to mention the fact everything I've seen for this so far looks awesome. I know I'm only one person, but I don't think it's going to have a hard time 'cracking it' as such.
True, the PS Vita's hardware might look slightly dated when the new mobile processors from Nvidia, Qualcom, TI etc. come out next year. But unless game developers start releasing AAA titles for the mobile phones and tablets sector, handheld portables like the 3DS and PS Vita will always have a place. Lets be honest, the only type of gaming people do on mobile phones and tablets is of the casual kind.
What they are trying to get at is this: Mobile phones have been dramatically improving over the past few years. Both new phones and tablets, which have yearly refresh cycles, mean the lastest technology every year. Eventually you will see console like performance and Core 2 duo power on a mobile form factor. There is no question Vita will have developer support in the coming years, but when you have such advanced mobile products being pushed each year, the vita will look weak in comparison. Eventually you won't just be playing angrybirds type of games on your phone.
Crytek have never developed a handheld or portable game. So why does their opinion mater? Just look at the current trend of gaming for Asia and Japan. Handhelds like the PSP and 3DS rule the market. The Vita will find "a" market for sure. It won't set America and Europe on fire. But as long as it remains a hit in Asia. It will get strong support from Japanese developers and that is honestly all I could ask for.
Just because your studio doesn't have any projects for Sony doesn't mean Vita is going to have a hard time. As a mature gamer, I'd rather buy a dedicated gaming handheld like Playstation Vita for serious gaming and stick with it for maybe 4yrs. Besides I'm not rich enough to buy a new iphone every two years anyway.
@heroesfan261 You need to get on the web and start reading about how Cell phones are the new PC, How sell phones are killing PC, how cell phones are changing the way people play games, how Cell phones will be the 3DS/DS and hand held killer... I will give you a start. http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-04/whats-inside-cellphones-future
Lolno. Vita will be better than whatever tablet or cellphone you wanna throw at it, if only because it has buttons and dual analogs... hell, it's got more gimmicks than the Iphone 4. :P
As always Vita will do Great in Japan and Asia Good in america and OK in Europe, that how it used to be but now maybe things will be changed for a lot of reasons like the weak start of 3DS and the expected strong start of the Vita with AAA titles and the competitive price 250 $ (who was expecting that price) what i meant is Sony learned the lesson and Vita will launch like a ROCKET despite all the tablets and smart phones which i don't consider as a competitive products for Nintendo and Sony.
@paranormalnut there are no games for cell phone at the moment that look like they should be on ps3 or 360. However for Vita, there is. Vita can do just about the same thing as cell phones except they can't call. Vitas are much better than any current cell phone at what their core purpose is, games.
@paranormalnut cell phones will be the new PC? bwahahaha i'm sorry but cell phones will never be able to run things as well as the pc. even if we get to a time when cell phones can run crysis the PC will have some game about 100 times better looking by then. Plus PC has an unparalleled modding community. I'm sorry but to say PC will ever be replaced by cell phones is just rubbish.
they can paint it anyway they want...phones and tablets will always be 3rd rate when it comes to games.
I disagree with Cevat Yerli about his comments. First of all, he only generalized this as like all the electronics have game capability, but he forgot that each device has it's own ups and downs and limitations. It's not something where you can just plug a game into a unit of course DUH! I say it's the game developers that will determine to persuade consumers to buy the PSP Vita units and the capability of it's hardware itself.
Seriously? for the man that greenlit Crysis 2, which if you all remember turned one of the best open world, open approach action games ever made into "Generic linear urban shooter 2". If he is as right on this as he was when developing Crysis 2 then these things are going to sell like hot cakes.
How the HELL would it have trouble facing the 3DS? The 3D is very badly done on it and it started off with a poor set of games. Not to mention this slick piece of tech will be $250.
its true...how many people will buy a vita pita just to play uncharted 4? i hope sony is successful though we need more gaming comapnies making good games.
Am I wrong in saying that most people who haven't bought a 3DS plan on buying a Vita at some point? I think that most of these speculations are wrong. I predict the Vita will be a great success.
to be honest, i've never been a portable gaming fan so i can't this matters to me very much. i prefer dedicated platforms for the time consuming games i enjoy. and that goes for motion controls, as well.
Both are over priced and both of them need tv connections. With all that outta the way the one to get is the Vita. 3d is nice but its not something gamers demand or really care about.
I really don't care what Crytek thinks in all honesty. I have never seen someone have an all night gaming party and whip out their Iphone and play all night.
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