Valve backs PC maker Xi3, announces Steam Box mini-PC

 @Maxd765  @Ladiesman17

  yeah my bad put 80 by mistake.

@deathblow3 There is most definitely other places that sale games cheaper than steam sometimes. I am not arguing that you just came off as very anti-steam before. I realize that games go on sale on console even if they aren't on sale at target, best buy etc... lol I am a avid deal searcher. I use all different outlets to acquire my games at the lowest price possible. There is a lot of times I find better deals on green man gaming than on steam or any other number of websites. Lol I just realized that I don't care about your argument because I agree with it. I just guess I misunderstood what you were trying to get across originally.

 @Jecoh i'm not i use steam all the time but to think you so called deal are steam only discounts are not done other places is asinine. i could care less about consoles this isnt really about a xbox or ps3 its about if i can get a game cheaper than steam i can because it may not be posible on this over price box. also just because old games can still be found at normal retail doesnt mean you cant get them else where cheaper its also rare that games that are no longer popular stay at 59 bucks. sales even on steam are done to start moving unit that are not moving currently.

 @deathblow3  Lol why are you so anti-steam. No one said that only steam does these sales. All that was said is that PC games on steam go on sale for far more than console games go on sale. Example I could buy any number of games that were selling for 59.99 on consoles last week on steam for 14.99-29.99 those same games that "were not moving units" on consoles were not discounted to nearly the same extent or at all. They did not invent the term sale, they are not the only one's who do sales; but they do in fact do them and they have pretty good ones.

 @demonkingx5

  my point is pc games are cheap in general and you can get it from amazon for the same price. these other place that you fail to acknowledge also do sales and discounts as well its not just steam is my point. steam didnt not creat the term sale or discount for games that are no longer moving unit this is how the retail industry works.

 @buccomatic  @GamerMani

  also your wrong the wii u isnt a 2year outdate gpu is is 5 or 6. and they added the tablet because of the casual market not to get it back it been a casual market company since they came out with the wii. seeing as how the wii sold more console than any other system ever before it moved on and sales dried up. i doubt they are looking to capture lost customers.

 @buccomatic  @GamerMani

  microsoft will be fine we dont know what they will use for graphics but it wont be that different than ps4 that is for sure and we will know it will be old. as the latest and greatest cards are expensive as heck and no one is going to buy a 800-1000 dollar console. any one remember the neogeo system? exactly

 @GamerMani dude it IS garbage. it's already 2 year old technology, and is already outdated - that's not "next gen". that's last gen.

sony's newer technology was flawed, it wasn't better because it was new and microsoft made it simple for people to make games for their system, so it succeeded.

but now microsoft is doing the opposite because they're trying to keep a sinking ship from going under - they have no other choice.

it's just like wiiu trying to sell their "new console" as a hybrid/cross between a tablet and a console because they're trying to retain or regain all the customers they lost to tablets and smartphones.

most people have left windows pc for tablets and smartphones. the only ones who are using pc are gamers, and businesses. BUTbusinesses don't need to upgrade to win 8. so there's no reason for microsoft to even keep making windows OS anymore and that is their whole business.

example:

if there is no reason to put a microsoft OS on PC's (because everyone left  PC for smartphones and tablets) = no windows 8 (or any other windows OS) sales

if no one buys windows smartphones, tabletsans surface hybrids microsoft has nothing to put their OS onto

if microsoft launched xbox720 with outdated 2 year old gpu (just like wiiu did) then they will fail at that as well, and xbox is the only and last thing they're able to sell. so if they fail, they're fucked. and even if the 720 has some moderate success they're still going to crumble because all the other things i just listed (which were supposed to keep them alive and making them billions) have failed as well.

if you can't comprehend the reality of the core problem microsoft is facing (which i tried to explan) then everything you say in defense of them is personal desire for them to succeed. no nee to worry man, you can live without them, and life will be better (for everyone) when they eventually die off.

there's nothing to protect or defend, and there's no valid point to argue, microsoft is fucked bro.

again - i have an xbox and would like them to succeed with the new console, but not if it's 2 year old tech (why would i want that - i want next gen, not last gen) and not if they still try and control everything, $10 gold subscriptions, overpriced games and dlc, an OS that holds back the entire worlds tech industry from rapid advancement = microsoft is just NOT good for the gaming industry anymore. and because of this they are killing themselves off by way of alienating nearly EVERYONE who would otherwise help them stay in business.

all this is happening because they want to control everything, and that time has passed, they don't control shit anymore.

 @GamerMani  before xbox there was sony dominating everything, then xbox came along and gradualy took over for a short while, but in the process microsoft put all their eggs in one basket (for too long) and now microsoft has painted themselves into a corner.

they have a "new console" coming out which "features" 2 year old crappy amd technology. the 720 "next gen" console, smartglass, windows phone, windows surface that NO ONE wants, windows 8 debacle. = microsoft is fucking finished dude.

sorry to break the news to you but they're fucked big time.

-ps i own a xbox 360 and have enjoyed it (2 of them actually) since 2007. but the reality is that if they cannot manage to come out with a console that has at least a current gtx680 equivalent, or higher, (which they already said they aren't going to do) with the ability to have full directx12 support when it comes out, they're going to throw themselves into the same predicament that nintendo has put themselves into with the wiiu's overpriced garbage 5 year old technology / hardware in their crappy system that no one wants.

 @ClusterBlaster  @Serpentes420  @GamerMani

  they have not maxed at the power but they have the media at least on the xbox it is a reason alot of xbox games are coming on 2-3 disk now dvd no longer has enough room for all the content to make the games longer than 4 hours.