Project Eternity most-funded video game in Kickstarter

 @msfan1289  That's not how it works with developers and publishers. This is perhaps simplified, but as far as I know, the publisher gives the developers a budget to make a game and a deadline after the developer has successfully pitched an idea for a new IP. The developers don't get much money from the sales of the game and the publishers get to own the IP and select a different developer to do the sequel if they choose to. Even if Obsidian made 10 great successes, they wouldn't be able to fund this kind of game by their own, because the publisher only granted them enough money to make each game. Even with bonus agreements like "if you sell two million copies, you get 5 % of the profits" the developers wouldn't have enough money to develop an entire new game by their own.

 @Hurvl  @poster012 tehtpoint here is they been in business for years they took home a good chunk of money, they can afford to pay out of pocket, Tim Schafer is my hero, I look up to him at that he did with Kickstater, but then i noticed a crap load of AAA dev team began to use kickstater, umm guys this is really meant for the small guys, you had you chance you have the money sorry that you want want to use your life saving. i can care less leave the small REAL indie teams use it, they can all go fund there projects on there own, or wait till they have enough money to do so.

 @poster012  The ones who have got the spotlight for being famous for their games have come to kickstarter as a kind of last resort. The publishers don't want to fund something that isn't a safe bet, where you can't say that it will sell more than a million copies. Both Tim Schafer's adventure game and this old school RPG are delving into genre's that aren't considered profitable enough anymore. The studios still want to do make them happen, so what do you do then? That's why kickstarter is such a good thing, because it allows companies, even well established ones to make games that wouldn't have been made otherwise, because they're not considered financially viable.

 @jinseinoseikou  @msfan1289 I never said it was wrong, per se; it just rubs the wrong way a little. It's kind of like Wal*Mart coming into a small town. The little guy just can't compete, and get gets totally overshadowed. You're right, Obsidian has a track record; they are a triple-A studio, so it seems a little rapacious. Kickstarter seems like the one place for the little guy. Wasn't that the whole point of it? I mean, where do you draw that line of who is acceptable to use it? What next, is EA going to hop on that train, claiming that it's not financial viable otherwise?

 @msfan1289  @poster012 Whomever puts on the best show wins, as the saying goes.

 Beyond just speculation and theory though, they did have an in-game screenshot right on their kickstarter page (and it really it is in-game, only in alpha stage), made by notable artists and developers who were trusted. The whole point of kickstarter is to prove, without a doubt, that the product will be a success. If it isn't a success, then those pledges just lose faith in who they pledged for, and ultimately possibly even kickstarter all together. Funding any game even the regular way through publishers is a gamble just the same, only this way, players get to make the decision as to whether or not it's worth being made.

  I think a bit over 4 million (including their paypal funding), and breaking all-time records, and being designed by some of the most notable designers in the CRPG industry, is consolation enough to be a fantastic game, even if in concept, but definitely not impossible, and definitely very exciting for the tens of thousands of backers.

I can't wait!

Let the Order of Eternity commence! :D

 @DigitalNoodle  @Scarab83 i see

 @keichimorisato9  @Scarab83 The Paypal funds were not displayed on  kickstarter.

 @DigitalNoodle  @Scarab83 really on the kickstarter thingy they only reached just over 3.9 million...?

 @Volgin  @Scarab83 Forgot about that one...

 @poster012  @Volgin  @Scarab83 Yes you are right.

 @Volgin  @Infinity18  @Scarab83 Didn't Interplay make the first Fallout? And I think Black Isle mad the second one.

 @Volgin  Well lets hope they produce some gold, instead of the many failures ( my opinion )  that obsidian has produced in the past.

 @Volgin  @saoe I don't mind CoD (I don't play shooters much to begin with) but that was hilarious.

 @Volgin  @saoe lol....

couldnt put better than you....

lol....:)

Well spoken....

 @Volgin  @msfan1289you want proof ok, look at how many years they are in business, the games they made, still being open for business, making games still. and not have a single dime to fund there own project? what more proof do you want? and oh yes they are so poor because there are published by a publisher that must mean they live in a trash dumpster. average game dev makes higher than $50,000 a year, some even 6 figures a year. so yeah they have no money right?  and i agrees with your last sentence "Oh how disgusting indeed." and yes how indeed it is disgusting.

PS: and good for them kicking foward 5% of the money they dont need to other projects,  good for them.

 @Droogie_1  @Volgin excuse me business is about risk you take risk to make money, it takes money to make money, and once you are set up and going pretty good the you make money for the company and you make money for yourself and take it home. in this case they the company is still up they had years in the business and they should have enough money to put from there own personal accounts.

so your saying im dumb, im a indie dev team so far i have paid everything out of MY POCKET, and i bring home from work about  average $2,400 and i have a team of 7 people, and they are all either going to school or working full time.

guess what we are thinking of using Kickstarter too and only asking for less than $20,000 to kickstarter THE COMPANY, if we reach our goal we will have enough to pay for the stuff we need to make our game, and after that once the game is up for sale and we hope it does ok, guess what we WILL NOT USE KICKSTATER EVER AGAIN. why because I know Kickstater is a place for entrepreneurs to start there dream, not to get funding of a successful business, that is well established in the industry. think about if Coke said we have a new drink that we know people will love to drink but we will like to use kickstarter to get funding, you will say F you, they have money why should they ask for more from us.

they are working on projects already, that made games in the past that made money, if they need to go to Kickstater then you have to ask youself why, might want to think twice.

and it doesn't matter if those games were publisher games, obviously they made well enough money to stay in business over the years!.

so keep trying to spin this all you want no matter what you cant debunk me, all these AAA going on to a place really meant for indie teams is just stupid and greedy.

" oh we been in business for years, we are well established, we have connections in the industry, we have money games that were good and made good money, but we dont want to use our money. oh no we cant do that, we want your money to fund our project. even tho we can use our money."

on top of that yeah i know Kickstarter have many projects on there that seems not worth the money, but guess what those are people with dreams, yes they might not look like Crysis2, or Battle Field 3, or freaking Fallout New Vegas, but those are truly people at home using there free time making a game, making a dream come true, and hoping people will look beyond everything and say "hey you have potential I will like to help you." or "Hey why not i like to make your dream come true here is something to help you reach it." but you can tell who is really putting effort into a project and who is not.

and what im trying to say if these AAA dev teams all go on kcikstarter think about it that ruins it for everyone else. if $20 or even $50 went to a AAA team th at could have went to a smaller team, and teh more AAA uses KS the less money the smaller guys will get, and not reach there goals.

I can go on KS right now and fund ALL the AAA teams

and give a single dime to a smaller indie team, because i believe there games does not look like the AAA games on KS.

Im not talking on behave of my project, if we dont make a single dime on kickstater i will just continue to work my @$$ off and pay for the things that needs to be paid out of pocket, and maybe pull out a loan if have to. keep in mind i have bills to pay at home, rent, food etc. not bad for being a year in production so far huh?  i guess these indie teams have more bigger balls then these AAA dev teams.

im talking about fairness and doing what is right. i rather fund a team that i know they might not have no other way to funding then funding a well known established AAA dev team.

 @msfan1289  @Volgin "excuse me yes i do, think about it hey been in business for a while means they personally made money to live other wise they would be doing something else, they have the money asking for more money with money they can put out of pocket is just disgusting."

this statement shows that you have no understanding of how business works.  have you ever heard of a business loan?  or venture capitalists?  risking your own money is normally a very dumb idea when you're talking about this amount of money.

 @msfan1289  @Volgin they cannot fund the game on their own.  they could either go to a venture capitalist, a publisher or to Kickstarter.  the first two options come with a ton more baggage than Kickstarter.  another benefit of using Kickstarter is avoiding those funding/deadline meetings altogether, which apparently suck to be a part of (like REALLY suck), allowing more time and energy to be focused on the creative aspect instead of the business side of things.

Kickstarter is good for everyone.  there are lots of interesting independent games coming out.

 @msfan1289  @Volgin 

hmm, i dont get your point here, think of all this as one giant pre-order,  no one is saying that only unproven studios should use kickstarter. do you know what will happen if Obsiadian screw with P:E, theyll probably shut the dors and thats it, because theyll loose any credibility they have left

 @Volgin excuse me yes i do, think about it hey been in business for a while means they personally made money to live other wise they would be doing something else, they have the money asking for more money with money they can put out of pocket is just disgusting.

and NO people are not mature as we think people are, people are just as stupid to see if they can do this then ill fund this project instead of a team asking less then $50,000. people think like that they dont think of oh ill help them out, the more this keeps up the more higher expectations REAL indie teams will have reach. if I get paid over $60,000 and I mean OVER $60,000 a year not just $60,000 Over meaning higher for several years, then im pretty sure there is enough money in the kitty to support your self for a few months. this is to fund entrepreneurship not for keep funding a success.

 @Volgin @gameguy182, @Aleksanian, doesnt matter seems like they make enough money to stay in business, they are very well known, very well established, knows people in the industry, that they dont need Kickstater. yeah make a old school game cause no one wants to touch it, well they been in business for a while they should have enough to "live" on there own. you guys totally missed the whole point. the whole point for kickstarter was so small time teams can find a way to fund there dream, make there dreams come true and kickstart there dream career, not for these big shots come in and beg for money, and leave out the smaller teams that really need the money.

you see if this keeps up people will expect that ALL game projects on kickstarter will need to be in the same level as a begging AAA developer asking for money on kickstater. argue that. dont aruge that they will by pass the publisher, i can careless thats not what my argument is.

 @Aleksanian  @msfan1289  @Volgin Well the developers don't really make most of the prophets from a video game, the publishers do. Publishers are the funders of various projects. Its a collaborative process too. Sometimes publishers can get in the way of things developers want to do. Like an isometric fantasy RPG. what do you think a publisher wants to invest in more, a first person shooter "RPG" like fallout, or an isometric RPG like Diablo or baldur's gate. Theres a reason why most games that come out today are shooters or first person, it's called Call of Duty. This is a way for big developers to make a game that they want to make and that fans want to see. Its not like they're holding a gun to people's heads forcing them to give money. The money comes from the fans directly. Also, the developers probably won't make much of a prophet from this project. 

 @Aleksanian  @msfan1289  @Volgin Just means they want to bypass the EA stupidity which is fine by my book.

 @msfan1289  @Volgin Most of the money made goes to the publishers.  Using Kickstarter gives them the opportunity to develop a game without the use of a publisher...WHICH means they can go around at their pace, add content like they want without a publisher telling them what to do, how to do it and when to release...aka, they can work without pressure.  Which hopefully will amount to a better game.