Planetside 2 waging freemium warfare

@taidalwave well done, you have learnt a crucial skill to being a well mannered person on the internet. learning how to say "i'm wrong". this isn't a poke at you, its a valuable skill that will avert serious arguments in the future. plus if you are 12, and you are still learning English, i still stand by my comment. spell-checker (Chrome has one integrated btw) would be of even greater use since it's telling you how to spell words, averting endless grammar-nazis and learning words at the same time. win-win situation.

@airsoftmanic yeah now i realize my comment was stupid.

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@taidalwave i think judging from your reply and the wave of bile that is simmering behind my usual formal commenting style, let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. i wrote two whole comments before deciding it wasn't worth the banhammer to send. P.S. jesus, what are you 12? use spell check. punctuation wouldn't be a bad idea either. i allowed the first reply to go without retribution, but two times is plain idiocy.

Freemium is a stupid word

@airsoftmanic you are saying that the updates are not free because that is what the monthly fee is for. yes that is what i am saying you pay the monthly fee and they give you every thing in the game you don't have to buy each new thing along making all the players equal and less random noobs (although wow has alot of random noobs). The expantion packs are like a new game you go to new zones advance in the story gain new levels look at cataclysm even without deathwing i think what cataclysm gave us worthed the money they need to make these expantion or the game is just going to get old. Who sayed anything about "the will to play" i don't understand how it is related. Note: we may disagree but that dose not mean we are fighting or anything

@taidalwave WoW does not give you free updates. first off, the general updates. how many do you get? 1 every 2 months? every month if alot needs balancing? guess what, you pay MONTHLY. that monthly fee goes towards the server upkeep, wages for staff and yes those wages are payment for making updates. now for the big grand progression updates. so we are now at the point where the update will come out that will allow WoW players to battle deathwing. wait a minute, wasnt that advertised on the box, that £30 box that was bought months and months ago? so they sell you an expansion for full price, but retain most of the content and drip feed it to the community over many months? some may call that pacing the community so the hardcore guilds dont speedrun everything in a month. i call it deliberate lengthening of gameplay so the limited time they spent making that £30 expansion allows them a massive gap of bug-testing and balancing so they seem more diligent than they actually are. your free to play argument is negated on the basis that you are confusing personal experience with overall gameplay. you say there is no will to make you play, but that is just you. you must have the will to play, the same way you need the will to play WoW. that's not the developers fault, but your own.

i dont like subscriptions fees in games or microtransactions. i will pay the game cost and if they ever figure out the right price vs content for dlc i will buy that too. if dcuo just charged for the game and dlc it would explode. what ever mmo decides to be the smart monkey and use this model for consoles would essentially monopolize console mmo's. i want to try dcuo so bad but i have enough bills and couldnt explain a videogame bill to my girl no matter what the price is, lol.

@JasPlun Since when were we talking about if it's great or not? Obviously that's subjective. What I have issue with is you saying you have to pay to win with SOE games. That's untrue concerning EQ2. What other SOE game went F2P?

Let me add that I was a launch day Planetside Vet and this game will not even come close to the feel the original had.The grapghics will be better I am sure.I also do not believe a word Smedley says hes lied so many times especially to us SWG player that played Pre-CU and CU versions of the game.I will NEVER trust anything that man has to say.

@airshocker Yes I have played EQ2 and its not that great.Get used to being Nickel and Dimed to death.I played on Crushbone.

@JasPlun Obviously you've never played EQ2. You don't need to pay for anything except the subscription to win in that game.

Freemium? Whoever coined that word needs a slap.

I have mixed feelings about this. I'll be playing The Old Republic so this would be great for me having Guild Wars 2 and Planetside 2 to play when I want variety. But we all know how F2P games are. Nickel and dime you and you end up paying for more than you would with a subscription. If it were B2P like GW2 I would be excited but at least I'll be able to play it.

F2P good. While I'm at work 9 hours a day, folks sitting at home who do not work can play all day. F2P gives me a chance to catch up with my limited amount of game by spending some of my hard earned cash. Plus the way the economy is heading, they will all be F2P sooner or later.

Not to sure if I like this, a lot of microtransaction games end up being pay to win. I personally didn't mind the monthly payment on the first one, although in all fairness the first one got highly repetitive and I stopped playing it because I didn't think it was worth the Monthly Payment, so paradoxily making it free to play may be the only way for them to make money and keep people playing.

look like CALL OF DUTY..

IS FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@airsoftmanic I disagree with you i think world of warcraft's way is the best they made this HUGE game and gave you EVERY THING in it you can play world of warcraft and not play any other game for very long hours and they will keep updating the game with free patches repeat FREE PATCHES they add now things and give them to everyone for free it feels like blizzard is telling me "you pay us 20$ a month you are a preaches customer and we will keep working to make the game better for you" things like changing your class and new mount skins are extra services not part of the game . But free to play games do the exact opposite they make this HUGE game but never really gets you to play it you will keep looking at things you can buy and feel like you are don't really have the game they just allow you to play a little of the game for free and sell you more things for money it feels like they are saying "the game is for free we don't own you anything if you wanted something you just have to pay for it"

Freemium = Nickel and Dime you to Death and know SOE in time it will become a pay to win game watch and see.I sure hate to see how tricky game companies are getting to be with micro-transactions too.

God I loved PlanetSide. Hopefully 2 will be even better. Command Ranks here I come!

They don't have to go completely F2P. I wouldn't mind paying, say, $30 to buy the game if there's no sub. and all the microtransactions are purely for aesthetic enhancements.

so many people hating F2P. how about this, some people who can afford subscription games choose not to because of the fees? i'd rather have one or two people running around all kitted out because they paid for it and everyone getting it for free on their behalf. i dispise games like WoW becuase you have to pay for the box, pay for the sub every month, pay if you want a class change, pay if you want some mounts, pay if you....get the idea. WoW is just the worst of two worlds, its a sub game with micro transaction stuff.

i hate microtransactions...STOP masking your price for a game: just give me the full package and name your price!

If they go the Guild wars route where it just cosmetics and not buy to win I all in. :)

I hate those free-2-play games. This is the Facebook mentality spreading in real video games. Sure, you can play for free, but playing it for free sucks and takes forever to unlock stuff. Meanwhile, some people get all the stuff because they are dumb enough to spend hundreds of dollars on the game. Also you will never be able to collect everything in the game, unless you pay insane amounts of money. How is this cool?

Honestly, I think the freemium model is probably the best way to go with a game like Planetside. If it's anything like the original, cosmetics will be relatively limited and any amount of customisation will be very welcome. Would I drop an extra few bucks for a Cycler that's uniquely mine or body armour that makes me look more like a combat engineer? You bet I would! I really don't see the beef anyone could have with the model as long as it's not "free unless you want to play a crappy, broken version of the game" (e.g. Age of Empires Online). If SOE is taking their cues from League of Legends, though, I don't see how they can go wrong. That's about the best example on the market of a freemium model that doesn't screw over the player. On an unrelated note, if SOE doesn't bring back Cyclers and Ceryshen bridge battles, I'm going to choke a goat.

I don't mind if its cosmetics, but when people can buy some limited edition gun for £30 which can kill enemys faster at longer distances with less down time then the game imo is broken. And this is the reason i really hate F2P games, I set side £10/month for my MMO of choice, be it F2P or P2P....unfortunately my experience with playing F2P games that goes upto £30-50/month very easily and that's with me being VERY Restrained, just trying to remain remotely competitive... I know plenty of people blow £250 to 350 in 1 week on F2P Events in order to get ahead. If I can give a company £10/month and with abit of work be able to be #1 on the leaderboard...Great, if a company asks for £50+/month to stay in the top 10,000, no thanks I'll go else where.

Free to play eh? I don't mind F2P's since I play a few myself, but in this case, I have to say its 'not' a good idea.

Glad it's freemium, I don't like subscription-based MMO's. Trust me, if people like the game enough, they'll pay to buy things for it, no subscription required.

Thank goodness! The mmo community is finally starting to understand that I'm not going to pay 180 dollars a year to play their "projects".

I think people need to get out of the past of what F2P games where like, no they are no longer: "Hey give my $20 and I'll let you own the hell out of every F2P user with this over powered weapon." A lot of new and old F2P games have increased in quality. Tribes Ascend is going F2p with a Micro transaction similar to LoL and TF2 you can buy cosmetics and weapon loadouts except with weapon loadouts you gain them if you play the game long enough. These days what I pretty much see is nothing that won't give you an unfair advantage over other players like Cosmetics, Extra temporary EXP, and etc. It confuses me how people fork out $60 for their favorite mega shooter just to have a month later charge you $15 for some lazily made maps or other rip off DLC. When F2P games give away extra maps and other game content for free but if they charge you $2 for a hat everyone gets all pissed.

Soon the word "freemuim" will be added to the dictionary :)

So people will have to pay 300$ instead of 50$ to unlock everything?

I would prefer P2P over "Freemium" but, we shall see

@Frame_dragger Did you play planetside back in the day? I did not, but everyone I've ever talked to that did play it described it as much more than a lousy mmo. I'm not calling you out. I'm actually interested in whether you played the original and did not like it, because you'd be the first person I heard that from and this game looks pretty interesting to me. @Apache-Chief lol. Me too. If it is 'freemium' then I will just play this along with BF3 for a little variety. ;)

I hate the word 'freemium'

Uh, this was news back in July... It's basically just been repeated.

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I don't understand free to play games where you buy items in game if you are going to spend money on the game why don't you just buy it?

@SephirothIsKing All sorts of games have different types. Crimecraft for example is a "free to play" title, but you can optionally pay a monthly fee for extras and "exclusive" content. League of Legends, you can buy new character models/reskins, but there are no options to "get everything" with a monthly fee, as you cannot pay monthly. You need to play to get in-game currency to buy certain things that can't be purchased with micro-transactions, as well. Champions online can be played for free, but if you choose to do so, you're limited to pre-determined character skills (archetype), whereas if you pay monthly you get to hand-pick your skills from any and all archetypes. Vindictus does not have monthly fees, and you can purchase things such as improved life potions, self-revivals and cosmetic underwear for when your armor breaks.

With games like 'PlanetSide 2' and 'Starhawk' looming in the horizon why are most people mostly hyped about the Call of Duties and the Battlefields?

I keep reading it over and over just to make sure it is not a dream.

this game was wicked! and the sequel is gonna be free to play.. WHOOO HOOO!!

With alot of other quality games being f2p firefall,super Monday night combat,end of nations I was wondering if planetside 2 would go f2p. I'd figure soe was to greedy but now the game is all but guaranteed to have a a nice big playerbase for my body is ready for some 1000 player battles :D just keep the payed stuff cosmetic and not give them an overwhelming advantage.

@SephirothIsKing They are free to play.....if they are a fan of riot then. The whole game is free. They charge for stuff like new costumes, new skins for people who want to personalize their characters and make them look pretty.

looks like a blast to play with homies

"The game will be F2P," he said. "What form will it be? We're still working that out." -Frightening

Sweet

Question as I don't have much experience with F2P games, do they usually also come with a subscription option so you can avoid MTs or do they usually only have a F2P with a MT model?