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Pachter: Xbox One $400, PS4 $350

Analyst Michael Pachter estimates prices for upcoming consoles from Microsoft and Sony, says Nintendo must have strong E3 showing.

Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter has weighed in on what he believes the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 will sell for when they both launch later this year.

In a note to investors obtained by Games Industry International, Pachter said he believes the Xbox One will retail for $400, while the PlayStation 4 will debut at $350.

Pachter's pricing estimations are based on bill of materials figures of $275 for the PS4 and $325 for the Xbox One.

Though Pachter believes the Xbox One will be the more expensive console at launch, he also predicts that Microsoft may offer a subsidized model, available at a lower price when consumers agree to a subscription plan.

"We believe the ability to watch live TV from a cable, telco, or satellite set-top box through Xbox One could entice an MSO to drive subscriptions through a subsidised box in exchange for a multi-year contract," Pachter said. "The 'always connected' requirement for the Xbox One likely means that a broadband connection will be required, suggesting to us that ISPs may have an incentive to offer a subsidy as well."

GameStop chief financial officer Rob Lloyd said last month during a post-earnings financial call that the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are likely to be less expensive at launch than their predecessors.

The Xbox 360 launched in 2005 for $300/$400, while the PlayStation 3 debuted in 2006 for $500/$600.

Regarding Nintendo and the struggling Wii U, Pachter said the company must use its scaled down 2013 Electronic Entertainment Expo showing to prove to consumers that compelling games are coming for the system.

"Nintendo risks losing additional share to its console competitors if the quality and volume of content available for Wii U does not pick up markedly in the near-term," he said.

"In addition, if the Wii U's popularity does not improve by the end of the year, many third-party publishers may pass on producing games for the console. We note that EA recently announced that it had no Wii U games in development, and it remains a possibility that the publisher will abandon the platform entirely," he added. "Should other third parties follow EA's lead, the Wii U could be relegated to a first-party-only platform."

Pick your side between the PS4 and the Xbox One now in the Battle of the Next Gen!

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Eddie Makuch
By Eddie Makuch, News Editor

Eddie Makuch (Mack-ooh) is a News Editor at GameSpot. He works out of the company's Boston office in Somerville, Mass., and loves extra chunky peanut butter.

2886 comments
jmc88888
jmc88888

Pachter is a complete idiot.

Yet he thinks the PS4 will cost less then the One?

If it's true that the Kinect 2 and other things are causing the Xbox one to be more expensive, then Microsoft will have a major problem on it's hands.

Cheaper...more powerful...and doesn't spy on you? No xbox live charge as well? 

I think it's pretty clear to see what will sell more.

Also the Wii U should see more games and a lower price.  

I felt M$ was basically screwed even if it was $50 cheaper than the PS4...but if it's more expensive...wow.

Somehow it doesn't make much sense that a console only about twice as powerful as a Wii U could somehow be the most expensive console.

arqe
arqe like.author.displayName 1 Like

Ps4 is for games lets say 400$ and Xbox One is for games and also other things lets say 450$ ? Xbox One please ... Why should i pay Ps4 or why should anyone in the world buy anything from Sony. Sony is probably the MOST overpriced company in the history. And people still says "Cant pay for XLive" .. yeah how and why the fuck you should pay 3$ per month for better service ? ... please ... Ps4 got %50 more power ! And how is that ? DDR5 to DDR3 is %50 power difference ? And comparing already "LOW LEVEL" Cpu's againts eachother ... Please guys ... Be Realistic and get a PC ...

reborn007
reborn007

@arqe ...most overpriced company in history...guess stock prices were not factored into that statement ....even without considering stock prices I still think Apple is more overpriced...and they release the same product with a small upgrade..

arqe
arqe

@reborn007 @arqe said "probably" and most of the Apple products got their on levels.Doesnt have much competition.Most people doesnt buy from Apple becouse its overpriced but most of the time noone got the Equal device to compare with. But with Sony you its all the same.You can buy Equal TV - Phone or anything cheaper. And Cheaper means you can buy with HUGE difference ...

thequickshooter
thequickshooter like.author.displayName 1 Like

Pachter?s ass must hurt since he keeps pulling out so much information from it?

telaros
telaros

cheaper subsidized two year cable contract model XO? Or PS4 at 350 bucks with more power and better exclusives because they actually have brands beyond Halo and Gears of War. All for the low price of a Wii U of 350 before tax? Not bad. PS4 is looking good. If they throw in a real browser and allow you to upload your streams to everyone and not just psn people, I'll buy. Totally buy!

I'll start saving up for my PS4 now.

hull20004
hull20004 like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

wow watch tv from xbox. too bad i live in an area of the world where we have INTERNET based tv broadcasting (see Estonia)

And PS3 already has a tv box

TohouAsura
TohouAsura

"Pachter's pricing estimations are based on bill of materials figures of $275 for the PS4 and $325 for the Xbox One."

And yet the PS4 is still stronger by a very big difference.

Just what is it Microsoft wasted money on? the VCR plates?

IndridCipher
IndridCipher

@TohouAsura its got alot of things for the cable and the 3 operating system thing i guess.  + kinect probably isn't cheap

slainta
slainta

What? A BoM of $275only for the PS4? I thought the GDDR5 RAM only was very expensive. If that's true they could afford even a more powerful GPU, what the heck!

jmc88888
jmc88888

@slainta  

While I will be buying a PS4, the nvidia equivalent right now is $200, and as the GTX 700 series roles out it will be in the $150 range that by this time next year will be selling for $100.

The 'One' has an nvidia equivalent of $100 right now, and probably $60-80 by this time next year.

xxYetterxx
xxYetterxx

I am still more interested in the X1 as my first next-gen console purchase.  If anybody wants to know what it will take for Sony to win over a Xbox fan this generation, I've taken a few moments to share my thoughts.  Feel free to have a read and let me know your opinion on the topic.

http://www.gamespot.com/users/xxYetterxx/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-26027727

TohouAsura
TohouAsura

@xxYetterxx SONY decalred all PS4 games except for MOVE games will have PSVita remote play as a requirement.

Having the PS1/2 games appear on PSN is not up to SONY, but the respective publishers. They have already made lots of efforts in bringing hit games over to PS3 with HD collections.


musicXpirate
musicXpirate

I never thought about how Nintendo is going to drop if they can't pull something out of their hat. PS4 and X1 sales are going to destroy WiiU.

jmc88888
jmc88888

@musicXpirate  

Hard to say.  We're in an ever deepening depression.  

But last I checked an xbox that is less powerful yet costs more is not a good recipe.

Then below that you have the Wii U which will be much cheaper and provide a very competitive level of quality.  

Then below that still have all the current consoles 360/PS3/Wii still underselling them all.

IndridCipher
IndridCipher

@jmc88888 @musicXpirate if the do the subscription plan they can sell it for cheap and sucker people into spending $800 for it instead of $400 in the long run

Obinoodle
Obinoodle

Interesting... I swear I remember the ps3 being $800+ here in Australia when it was first released. Love how they raise all the prices in Aus :\

RussellGorall
RussellGorall like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

I love how the PS4 looks to be about twice as powerful, yet it costs less to make.


Win.

blue_shift_91
blue_shift_91 like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@RussellGorall

yea, and i love unicorns and pixie dust.

dream on, buddy. life should have taught us long ago that the world doesn't work that way.

and since when have you EVER heard of Sony selling things for cheap? have you taken a look at any of their electronics and their competitors?

slainta
slainta

@blue_shift_91 @RussellGorall

Since ever. The PS3 was sold way undercost. Up to $300 less than the BoM:

http://mrwavetheory.blogspot.it/2007/01/whos-inside-ps3-playstation-3-bill-of.html

jmc88888
jmc88888 like.author.displayName 1 Like

@blue_shift_91 @slainta @RussellGorall  

I think the point trying to be made is since they were willing at one time to sell for about $300 under BOM, then if the BOM is only $275, it probably won't be marked up too much.

We get a console for cheaper, yet Sony still turns a profit.  If these numbers are true a $350 launch isn't out of the question.

What's really crazy is when you understand our currency has been devalued 2/3rd since the last consoles launched, it is simply amazing that the consoles aren't all a whole lot more expensive.

But then again they are all starting off about 2/3rd's less powerful vs PC's as the 360/PS3 did.  That's why a 360 could run circles around a home built $2500-3000 PC from 2004, yet a PC with a midrange CPU from 2008 and midrange 2011 GPU will still best a PS4, let alone the absolutely low end GPU in the 'One'.  Literally a $60-80 newegg part in a few months.

 

blue_shift_91
blue_shift_91

@slainta @blue_shift_91 @RussellGorall 

rofl. you think sony WANTS that to happen again? they didn't generate a serious profit until mid-2010. the cost issue killed them.

kids and fanboys from all corners of the world think that was about sony being generous or the consumer getting a better deal. stupidity. what happened to sony was completely HUMILIATING in the business world, and they did what they had to with the pricing to survive.

if we see this happen again with the PS4, i don't see there being a PS5.

sdcazares1980
sdcazares1980

It's a bit of a stretch that these next gen systems would be much cheaper than the current ones when they were first launched. Still, for argument's sake, if what Michael Pachter says is true, then Nintendo MUST lower the price by $100. No way Nintendo will sell the Wii U at the same price.

jmc88888
jmc88888

@sdcazares1980 Just about everyone expects a Wii U price drop.

Right now it seems Sony has good price to quality ratio.  Wii U (after a drop) will have a good one as well, but less than the PS4.

If true the Xbox One looks to be in the worst position.  Underpowered and more expensive, with 'features' that has pissed off many past fanboys.

I still think there's a really good shot of PS3/360/Wii still outselling the PS4/One/Wii U this holiday season.  


IndridCipher
IndridCipher

@jmc88888 @sdcazares1980 i imagine this gen will outsell next gen over the holidays for sure.  I dont know how many consoles they are gonna ship. If you want one will you be able to find one?

cheese232323
cheese232323

why is xbox more expensive? is it because sony can make some of their own parts to save money? even though id like to believe these numbers. this guy doesnt actually KNOW anything.

ArabrockermanX
ArabrockermanX

I think EA's discontinued support for the Wii U has far more to do with the lack of a used games tax(Sony saying the publisher decides MS making it standard)... EA dropped support for the Wii U before it was even released they only finished the initial handful of games announced in 2011 and at that they put no effort/cash into the ports... 

jmc88888
jmc88888

@ArabrockermanX 

Actually they do have Wii U games in the pipeline.  The people that spoke previously were morons.

StephenSays
StephenSays

My prediction would be more $449 for a bare bones xboxone w 2yr subscripotion to Live with some sort of automatic cable subscription included. Ex live now comes with basic cable.  Most gamers don't even watch TV.  Cable is pointless to most people who have the internet. So in order for the cable companies to catch up they have to link with a gaming peripheral in order to not loose all of the gamers in the future.  It seems that xbox live is the perfect thing for cable companies  to latch on to. 

$549 for a bundle. (Call of DOggy and Kinect game)  The thinking here is people who want the XBOXONE (or 36one as I call it) for the D.O.G. Dutty game will already have live.  They more than likely will buy the game looking to spend $60.  Only to do the simple math of thinking I am saving 10 from the 499 dollar system price point with the game already included bundle that is $549.99.

$449.99 and 499.99 for Xboxone     Please note that it comes with Kinect (Right now a new 360 4gb with Kinect cost $299. ad 500gb Microsoft hdd.  (please note a Microsoft 320gb cost 129.99 right now. imagine how much 500gb cost.)  Take in consideration we have new architecture.  This thing is new it does new things and plays different kind of games hence why it cant play 360 games.

The xbox 360

$299.99 system with kinnect.     +

plus

$129.99< Microsoft 500gb hdd     +

plus

$100 New architecture ~Approximation

= $529.98

The PS3

299 system with 500gb hd     +

plus

$100 New architecture ~Approximation

= $399  

slainta
slainta

@StephenSays 

$129.99 for a 500GB HDD? In which universe? More like $40 or even less, since we are talking about bills of material.

zeonfollower
zeonfollower like.author.displayName 1 Like

I'm excited wat PS4 is going to offer...

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AzatiS
AzatiS like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 10 Like

X-bone in short ....


AMAZING TO SEE TV ON YOUR TV THRU XBONE TV


YOU NEED ONLINE TO PLAY OFFLINE ( once per day even )

YOU NEED TO PAY EXTRA IN ORDER TO HAVE XBLIVE (in short ONLINE)

IF YOU WANT TO BUY SECOND HAND GAMES YOU WILL PAY 2 FEES ( one for the sellers and another one for re-activation of game )

KINECT WILL SPY on YOU , YOU WANT TO NOT

HARDWARE WISE CONSOLE IS NOT TOP END VS COMPETITION

and last but not least ...

RUMORS THAT XBONE TAG PRICE WILL BE HIGHER THAN PS4


All im saying is ... GOOOOOD LUCK Microsoft!

racerxgundam
racerxgundam like.author.displayName 1 Like

@AzatiS man if they price this say more than 50 bucks of sony's product...they REALLY want to brick their system bad. 

honestly man..i cannot see M$ going crazy with price....i could see them try to undercut the price

> wii u

ArabrockermanX
ArabrockermanX

@racerxgundam I can, watch them price it stupidly high and then have a nearly free subscription model to get people trapped with it for a few years.


Safe to say I won't touch it I'll stick with ps4/wii U

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jd7904
jd7904

@sgt_F79 they didn't confirm anything. read the article again it was a reprint of a repirint, where the words got shifted around.after referring people back to a comment made in February. I will believe it when they come out and say it up front

racerxgundam
racerxgundam

@jd7904 @sgt_F79 like i don't want to get into a huge debate over it..and yeah...officials can lie and stuff..but sony peeps have stated in interviews that there would be no DRM mandate.

mind you...i don't trust it 100% myself..but i can remember two instances where it was said DRM would be left to publishers

> wii u

ManatuBeard
ManatuBeard like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@sgt_F79 i think this site is biased... some part of that famous 1 billion of MS must be heading here...

racerxgundam
racerxgundam like.author.displayName 1 Like

@ManatuBeard @sgt_F79 hmm i dunno. they definitely write shit here that are paid advertisments for sure.

Was a 25 dollar mount in WOW worthy of its own article? 

they write so many stupid articles in here its amazing

> wii u

jd7904
jd7904

I thought this was very informative. But I don't think it will make tmuch difference. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4/2

ManatuBeard
ManatuBeard

@jd7904 They fail to mention something important.

PS4 has an ARM chip for OS/background support, X1 doesnt.

So X1 CPU usage for OS is going to be bigger than PS4, which means even less CPU available for game.

jd7904
jd7904

@ManatuBeard @jd7904 But after reading it. It makes sense why the systems could be as cheap as this article is saying. The Jaguar is built to compete with the atom cpu from intel, but they have much better on board GPU. These are low cost high efficiency solutions, not even in the same league as an Athlon X2 or i7. They are both running at 1.6Ghz ( presumably). I just think after reading this article it is silly to argue specs of either

ManatuBeard
ManatuBeard

@jd7904 We know the PS4 has a dedicated chip for vid and a dedicated chip for audio to ease the CPU charge (the X1 has a dedicated chip for audio too, not sure if it has a vid chip), and of the 8 cores, only 6 are available for devs (maybe like the ps3 with the spus, one for OS, the other for overflows), in terms of CPU, is up to the OS weight the performance. Neogaf members seem to agree that the extra GPU power of the PS4 will most likely be used for trivial things on multiplat games, like better antialiasing and better lighting. So again only 1st parties will show us the real power of the hardware.

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