GTX 680 isn't next gen. It is definitely on track. The follow on to it, Maxwell, in SLI format, would probably fit the bill. Any customizations that Microsoft requests on top of it the icing alongside DirectX type advances. In other words, you need to be able to run something better than the Unreal 4 engine without SLI, and at least 100 fps, ideally 150-200 fps, so you can have a little leeway for 3d application at 120 fps. It's getting close. I'll give you an example. The GTX 680 is the equivalent to the Nvidia 6800 series. Still had to wait until the 8800-9800 series to make a plausible 360/ps3. The next jump by NVIDIA is supposed to be even bigger, based on their DP GFLOPS per watt Basically a console version of Nvidia's Maxwell (1st or 2nd version to be determined). http://techreport.com/discussions.x/19675 "The Maxwell architecture will come next, in 2013, and will be produced on a 22-nm fabrication process. Maxwell promises nearly an 8X increase in DP FLOPS per watt beyond today's Fermi chips. Huang noted that, in parallel computing, power is the primary constraint, which is why he chose that metric to describe future architectures."
Technology giant says "there will be no talk" of new Xbox hardware at this summer's trade show or in the near future, 2012 will be "all about Xbox 360."
Microsoft will not show off a new Xbox at the 2012 Electronic Entertainment Expo, the company confirmed with GameSpot today.
"While we appreciate all the interest in our long-range plans for the future, we can confirm that there will be no talk of new Xbox hardware at E3 or anytime soon," a Microsoft representative told GameSpot in a statement first sent to Game Informer.
Microsoft said 2012 will be "all about Xbox 360." So far, the year has been strong for Microsoft and the console. Last week, the company reported it sold 426,000 Xbox 360 units in February, making it the top-selling home console for the 14th straight month.
As for the next Xbox, speculation has run wild as to its form, capabilities, release date, and price. The latest rumors say the Xbox 360 successor could ditch a disc drive, boast a tablet controller, block used games, and cost as much as $500.
It has also been suggested that the next Xbox is currently in development under the code name Durango. This speculation was stoked last month when a Crytek developer reportedly tweeted about attending a Durango developers summit in London.
For more on the next Xbox, check out GameSpot's rumor roundup concerning the new hardware from Microsoft.
@CongressManStan No, Not wait 20 years. But by waiting a short time, you may end up with an EPIC console, rather than an average console. Read Gamespot's article on the "Next Gen" Kepler GTX 680. A console realesed this year would not have hardware like that.
@cf_Kage Very true. You can only optimize the hardware so much and I think the 360 has been optimized to the fullest. I just finished building my gaming rig and I couldn't believe what I was missing! Going back to some of these 360/PS3 games makes them look dull. I still love both of those systems, but you can start to tell their a little dated.
For games to improve, we need new hardware. Not just graphically either, but there is only so much you can do with the limited amount of RAM/CPU cycles now. Games just can't progress.
There's no need for either MS or Sony to release a new console. MS has the industry by the short hairs, and Sony's PS3 comeback continues unabated. Nintendo's new console is only going to be slightly more powerful than the 360 and is going to be saddled by only having one of those touchscreens per console. Not only that, but everyone remembers what happened to Sony at E3 2006. "Five-hundred and ninety-nine US dollars," isn't something Sony wants to repeat, and MS is likely horrified of being the new priced-out-of-market console, especially since modern graphics are plenty for anyone who isn't a graphics whore. It's just better for Sony and MS to sit back, let the money roll in, and wait for component prices to come down. 2013 or 2014 for $300/$400 (basic/premium version split) is the best idea. Hell, MS and Sony have at least another price cut left for the 360 and PS3 to keep the train running.
@bwgamer OH. OH. OOOOOOOH. Well that clears up alot. Sorry if I got ahead of myself. Yeah, I think they didn't think far enough when they developed this gen, but honestly, who could possibly predict such a great load of technological advancement in sucha short time? And I still believe PS3 has untapped potential. It has great core power, and can load up on games the size of which neither PC nor XBOX currently can. Other than that aspect, yeah, new consoles need to happen, and soon. PC is literally too powerful now to fail at playing any game at top quality. You don't even need a top-of-the-line CPU or Graphic card, anything GTX will most likely do.
@supertom221 I think I may have misspoke. I totally agree the iPad isn't a dedicated gaming device and it should never be on par with an Xbox or Playstation. What I basically mean is they need to get on the ball because the mobile world is getting a little to close and the PC world is leaving them behind. You mention a problem that we deal with right now. Your PC is maxed out, as is mine, and yet the games we play on them are underutilizing the power due to the lack of innovations in the console world. It's much more cost effective for developers to make games that are easily ported to different platforms, and it's those weaker platforms that are keeping us in the dark ages. In my opinion a 10 year cycle that Sony likes to have for their consoles is to long. Specially in today's world.
@bwgamer I won't say you touched a nerve, but it did spite me. Again, you are not taking the full picture into effect. Yes, It has the same power as an Xbox. Now take that power, at least a third of the memory and and CPU operation goes to the iOS, another goes to the media files such as movies and music, ANOTHER goes for the 3/4G networking, AND THEN comes games. XBOX and PS3 are 90% Gaming. iPad is exactly the opposite. So as you can see, the argument in which iPad is better is kinda baseless, because there is no good iPad games. file size is really not an issue, most XBOX games are compressed, And I could point out at least 4 games that weight less than 5. Between them-- Oblivion, Just Cause 2, Fallout 3 and Dark Souls. Also, it's not that much light years ahead. VITA is very on par if not more. Like I said, iPad is not a gaming platform, and it will never have good games anyway, so why the hell does it even matters what it's system specs are? My PC is currently stronger than all the consoles and iPads combined, yet I get the same games as they do. It's all up to the developers, at the end of it.
@buying1999 I'm a Xbox360 fangirl and all but... its getting harder to defend MS and their BAD decisions! If MS have SUPERIOR developer support. the 3rd party developers is not showing it on the Xbox360. PS3 been getting exclusive content for many games now ( more Fighters in Street Fighter X TEKKEN ) While Microsoft been. riding the crappy Kinect train and getting Call of Duty maps early!
Of course there won't be any new Xbox hardware at e3. There's no need to replace a product that already is selling better than it's compeitors, has a thriving online community, is getting truly innovative add-on devices, has a thriving game library, commands 40+ percent of the entire console market, and is SUPERIOR in graphics, fidelity, and developer support. Not to mention that it's nearest competition is nothing more than and over priced internet ready blu ray player. No threat there. At this point it would be crazy to replace such a thriving, successful, and SUPERIOR gaming console. This also is good for developers. We're seeing better and better games for Xbox because the developers are well versed in the hardware and development tools. If you change now it's like pushing reset for them. Good decision Microsoft. Thinking of what the developers would like to see in the hardware is what has accounted for the success of the Xbox 360 and it's SUPERIORITY. Imagine that. Actually asking the people that are making games for your hardware what they'd like to see in it's design????? WOW!! There's a novel idea eh Sony? Good job Microsoft, SUPERIOR console design, SUPERIOR tools, and SUPERIOR developer support. It's no wonder the Xbox is kicking az. "Xbox 360 is the BEST console EVER made." --John Carmack "Xbox 360 is the BEST console EVER made." --John Carmack
@bwgamer No that's fair enough, and I'm not one of these folks that hates apple I was merely saying. The iPad is a device which originally mostly aimed at the business sector - check emails, accounts, documents.. search the internet etc. Apps are brilliant don't get me wrong, and Apple are completely dominating the modern technology market. However, downloadable apps and games (whether $.99 or not) are only ever going to be that. They're effectively bite-size applications. Developers realise that at $.99 a pop they can potentially reach a lot of sales - and with it good money. It's not rocket science at all, if it's cheap it sells. All I'm saying is games on Apple's devices are only ever an added extra. That's something which can't be denied. Yes Epic may back the thing, but who doesn't? There's a lot of money in it.
@warhawk-geeby You say the iPad isn't a gaming device, it's just a device that plays games. There are many in the industry that would argue that point. Epic the makers of Gears of War being one of them. If your a developer plan on failing miserably on making games thinking that way. One of the biggest money makers for the iPad/iPhone/iPod and Android devices is games even when many start at only $.99. That's pretty amazing! As a developer you can't ignore that, and trust me they don't.
@supertom221 I obviously hit a nerve with you when I made mention of the iPad, lol. I never argued the iPad as a gaming only device. Obviously the iPad was designed to do way more than just play games. The point is the industry has changed and evolved so quickly mobile devices such as the iPad are beginning to catch up to the Xbox and PS3. The memory and resolution output proves it. You argued something about upgrading your memory on your PC. Yes you can upgrade your PC, but I'm afraid with a console such as the Xbox 360 your stuck with what you got which is sad for today's standards. Yes I know it hurts to hear but it's less memory than a new iPad. You also argued can an iPad play games such as Gears of War, Halo or inFamous? Seems you didn't know, but for now Apple puts a limit on how big a game or app can be for download on the AppStore. Most those games exceed 5GBs in size and that's more than Apple allows. That's maybe the reason for now you don't see those games on an iPad. Remember the iPad just turned 2 years old. It's a new format and it's already light years ahead of most portable gaming devices. Don't think so small. I stand by what I said, if MS, Sony, and Nintendo don't watch it they will be ancient history.
I hope that the used game block will turn out to be a false rumor. It would be a business killer for them at a time that they are doing so well.
Cost as much as $500 and BLOCK USED GAMES?! And I thought netflix knew how to run a business down to the ground.
I'm OK with this, really. I agree with others that the current Xbox 360 and PS3 still have a lot of life left, and pushing gamers to buy a new, expensive platform is not only risky right now, but forcing developers to start producing higher quality textures and more feature-rich graphics in games is even more risky. We are seeing a lot of great titles taking advantage of the current systems' capabilities -- just compare Oblivion to Skyrim, or Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 3. While Nintendo needs to take another step, I think it will be an interim step up to the other current gen consoles.
so the picture on this article is the next xbox 360 or is it the upgraded version of the xbox 360. I remember my sister and law bought one that looks exactly like the one on the picture but I still don't know if that's the new xbox 360 with the same spec.
Sorry for saying PC's are only good for wordprocessing - that was a bit short sighted... they are also damn good at Web browsing too ;)
@Defectslol Visual capabilities allow for added content which is a core element to "gameplay", and you can't have added content if the system is incapable of supporting it.
@warhawk-geeby Exactly. I live in the US now. If I called somebody a 'tit', or a 'nob-end' at work, I'd probably get fired, lol. /sigh
@Raeldor Good old tit.. any other country would probably find it extremely offensive, but to us brits it's just light banter. Bit like the word nob!
Good idea Microsoft rethink all those not so well received concepts you got going for the next Xbox. I guess the only thing left to look forward to at E3 from MS is more Kinnect and Sesame Street exclusives. LOL
@ Sendmn23, Um, I'm pretty sure I didn't say that exclusives don't mean anything. I said they "are not NECESSARILY a good thing". Also, to answer your other question, I have been playing games since '01, and have been playing games way older than that (Atari 2600, SNES, 64, etc.). The only console I have right now is the Xbox 360 (just look on my profile to see the games I've rated) and I like it more than the PS3 (this is MY opinion) but I am not a fanboy of the xbox or any of Microsoft's products. The reason I said that exclusives are not necessarily a good thing is because it kinda sucks at times when a game that looks good only comes out for certain consoles (Ex: Killzone 3, Uncharted, Heavy Rain, etc.) So I am not against games or consoles (obviously :) ), I'm just telling you my thoughts on game exclusives. This is just my opinion so you shouldn't have to get mad and right a whole paragraph to me about how you disagree. But I do thank you for this dicussion :)
I'm fine with them waiting til next year to bring us the next xbox, although I am ready to see what direction they take with the new hardware. I've got plenty of games on my 360, so I'll stay busy until then.
@digi-demon There are some very good games available on the PC, not to mention you can customize it the way you want. The PC also offers many more free titles than ever imaginable on a console. I can't believe all the free to play titles on Steam. I've also been using my wired 360 controller to play Witcher 2. Simply amazing! I love consoles, I love Pc's, both have equal playtime in my home.
@ thunderboltx7 The Wii U will be launch around the holiday season so it won't be launch this coming Fall. Nintendo knows that to had successful console launch they had to launch the system on the season when more ppl are out shopping. Due to busy schedule, who would care to buy the Wii U in the Fall? Nintendo could just wrap the Wii lineup up after E3 2012 with the remaining Operation Rainfall titles and prepare to launch the successor around Thanksgiving time. Hopefully by then they'll have some 1st party titles to back the console up along with those other 3rd party launch games.
E3 this year is all about Nintendo and the Wii U ! I think E3 is usually pretty lame unless there is some big hardware unveiling. It would be sweet though to see 3 new consoles :D
@Ultra_Taco, how long you been gaming? Exclusives don't mean anything? is that what you're saying? So people don't buy Nintendo because of Mario, Legend of Zelda, Metroid, and countless other awesome i.p.s? Are you one of those newbies this gen who think "hardware" is everything? Microsoft without "Halo" would have failed with the first x box. This is why when MS decided to make a successor the original x box they hired Peter Moore the former v.p. of Sega, (if I recall correctly.) What was the first thing he started doing? Oh thats right "scouting" talent. Myst walker, "Q", Epic Games, Rockstar... he worked hard at trying to expand the variety you could only find (then) on the x box 360. (which now that he's gone ARROGANT Microsoft has pretty much let loose all its exclusive developers.) So imagine a world without halo... then realize there is no x box, or x box 360. Sony is the one game publisher/console maker that seems intent on making "exclusives" THESE ARE EXPERIENCES YOU WONT FIND ON ANY OTHER PLATFORM! Can you play Heavy Rain on the 360? (And no, Alan Wake is a good game, but definitely not a Quantic Dreams masterpiece.) Little big planet? God of war 3? Uncharted 1, 2, &3? Metal Gear Solid 4? Resistance fall of man? Get what I'm saying... and oh GOD do I sound like a ps3 fanboy right now... and the truth is I've been supporting mostly Microsoft this gen... but thats about to change..
@VERTIGO47 the only thing MS needs to be doing now is. Making a TON of exclusives for the Xbox360. No Kinect Garbage, No timed exclusives, No need for spy games.
Just because a new console comes out doesn't mean you have to buy it straight away. It makes sense to wait atleast a year to buy it for both a price drop and good games start coming out for it. If they announced it at E3 this year, it would probably come out next year. Which means most people would probably start buying it in 2014. Which is more than enough time to continue enjoying your current xbox. Even then, the 360 will still be supported for a few years afterward due to it's popularity, just like the PS2.
Smart move, especially since 1. you have some questions about how many gamers are really ready for (or want) a new system anytime soon and 2. that Nintendo has tipped their hands with the Wii U. It's wise to see what the reaction is on the first "next generation" and go from there, as well as sure up waht your plans are for your own console. Take your time and don't rush it. Besides, there's still a lot of juice to squeeze out of current consoles. Too many solid games have come out recently to really say otherwise.
i feel mutual. lol but maybe it will give them time to think about those harsh rumors we've all heard about.- durango -500$+ - not playing used games - pad controller.
I am not ready for new hardware. I just got my 360 this past holiday season. I know that the hardware is dated but I am having fun with the games and I think that what having a game sysem is all about. I agree that this E3 will be about a lot of casual Kinect games. I just wonder why nobody, including MS themselves, has never made a rail shooter yet for Kinect? House of the Dead and Time Crisis could work well for Kinect. I am sick of seeing all the minigames and kids games.
I guess Nintendo is going to have the best e3 conference this year, again. Micosoft press conference was so boring last year, nothing but how Kinect is going to make games more fun. At least we get to see a new Call of Duty
Well! I'm disappointed! This will most likely make me hop into PC gaming alot faster! Microsoft's E3 show is gonna be Kinect garbage....agian!
Microsfts E3s are boring now. All they're going to show is the Halo 4 logo expect everyone to go gaga.
BestJinjo you got it so twisted, games = 60, when you buy a console after year 3 or later those early still good games are 10-20, you save way more money not falling for the hype on single player games that have weak worthless online modes,when you buy a console day 1 you dont impress anyone paying 60 for dumb games thats still look like the old gen.
yeah i think they had to start over. when news leaked that their last nextbox wouldnt play any discs and it couldnt play used games.... even the most loyal xbox players about had a baby over the news
BestJinjo its not 250$ for a norm slim its 199$ and for that u get a lot but if your not happy just buy a new pc
@supertom221 isnt cryengine supposed to be a much more efficient engine than its predecessor? it has dynamic geometry and rendering tech, it is still the king of dx10
There are some pathetic PC gamers here try to say they need a new console, they are not happy with PC gaming, they try to find excuse it is console which hold them back, it isn't true, i am a PC gamers myself,most PC gamers can't even max out battlefield 3 ultra with solid fps, thats your problem, and i don't see current top end PC games look a lot nicer than both 360/PS3, get a life, go outside to have some social life :)
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