Newest BioShock 2 DLC scrapped for PC

does anybody still play online in bioshock 2 for ps3? msg me

I emailed 2K in disgust, got a response today saying that it was back in development, appears they do listen to what people want. 2K forums have more on this.

@RadicalToenail: so we don't have to do this stupid dance anymore, you stepping on toes with two left feet. I'm going to cease this conversation and let you get back to Facebook and plant your precious crops. Not because you're an idiot. Because arguing with your broken circular logic is boring. The former was pure coincidence. Enjoy having the last word here, I'm sure the child in you can't help it. I won't be posting on this topic with you anymore.

@RadicalToenail: *golf clap* lol so much hate and contempt. You truly are a sad and bitter individual. Every time you speak another impulse insult and half cocked lash-out reaction hurls forth, complete with contradiction and exaggeration. I don't need an MS certification to know you are NOT playing 2010 games on a 2006 PC at max. Anyone here will tell you that. .......................PC is better? really? How many games have you traded in lately? Seriously, all I've heard you talk about is how much $ you'd just need (or have already put in) just to play a game. And the way you gloat, you must have already spent $2000 on a gaming rig or more. Not very practical. I have a feeling I could argue w/ you all day. But your mind is closed and fixed. Fact: Consoles have come a long way. They're online, stream movies/tv, have DLC, patches and fixes and will play High Def. ........................Used to be the argument that FPS's can't be done on consoles because the keyboard and mouse was better. That RTS's and MMORPG's had too many hotkeys and had to have a keyboard to function.. Keyword... "was". Games that were considered PC only are now being done on the consoles. And very well might I add. It's been a brutal fight for consoless against the PC industry. Each year, it's a loss for PC gamers (this article is but a mere example). And a win for consoles. PC numbers are down and continue so despite being the gaming platform leader since the late 80s. What happend Mr.Toenail? You call that progress? lol

@lithus And to your other post, I actually am sad about this DLC not coming to PC. I rip on consoles, not console gamers (we're all gamers, I respect that, until someone tries to make it a personal issue), but I would have really liked this DLC. PC gaming is still king. Just because sales are better on consoles does not mean that PC gaming is dying. I mean, really. Would you say Wii is better than 360 or PS3? Because it is the more profitable console, which, according to your logic, makes it better.

@lithus

About the analogy, it doesn't matter what context it's in. It's a terrible analogy and makes no sense, no matter how you put it. Just today, Steam announced that they surpassed 30 million accounts. That's just a few million less than on a console...and that's on Steam alone. I know some gamers, as silly as it may sound, that don't even use Steam. Those are the purists right there. They think Steam is just another stupid piece of digital distribution that will screw us over in the end. They buy only retail and never anything that needs Steam activation. They're missing out on some great games because of it...

And actually, just last week I took my rig to a LAN party. Really not that difficult to do and everyone gets to play on their own systems and play together. I didn't need to pop my HDD out to play on someone else's system. Nice try on taking a personal hit at me. It shows how low you really are.

@lithus Oh, so you've played on my PC before, have you? You personally know that it can't run modern games at max? Really? And you're using my $80 upgrade as a point against me? Yeah, I can actually make my PC better if I want to. For just a mere 20 dollars more than a new game for your Xbox, and add on the fact that it costs $10 less for a new PC game as well. If anything, it comes out even. Also, 5 years ago AND still today, my PC has more CPU power, graphics, and memory power than your 360. Obviously my processor, and anyone else's, is beaten by PS3, but as an overall system, my PC tops both and has since I built it.

Uh...yeah, Crysis was never released for 360 because it couldn't handle it. That's the whole point of having to develop a better engine for it. Don't even try to act like you know more about this than I do. I've even spoken to Crytek about it. It was barely optimized for PC, so of course the 360 wouldn't be able to handle it, but my PC can. And again, you claim to know how my PC runs. Trying to insult me without knowing a thing about my computer isn't going to work, and is incredibly idiotic. As far as how my PC operates, you can't bring that in as an argument against me. You've never played on my computer, never seen my computer and I've never even told you the specs. So, where is the point in claiming you know?

And I love how half of PC gamers lament the loss of this DLC, pout how disappointed they are. Than you have the other side. The PC purists who claim they don't care and rip on console gamers. They say never to swim to a drowing victim...cause they'll try to take you down with them. Instead I'll throw you guys a life preserver of truth. Hate me all you like, but you can't deny the fact that PC gaming isn't all that it "used to be". There's no strength in that.

@RadicalToenail: lol you can't even be honest with yourself. So how can I expect it with people here. Ok, Breakdown. 1. Your 5 year old computer isn't playing todays games at max. So you can drop that BS. 2. $80 huh...know how many upgrades My 360 had since 2005? Zero. My 360 is older than your PC and it still plays ALL the games. 3. Umm Crysis never came out for the 360, but not because it couldn't handle it. Infact Crysis 2 is slated for the 360 1st quarter 2011. 4. PC's continue to advance? Yeah anddd? So, you're going to by that new tech as soon as it comes out? Meanwhile your 5 year old PC still can't benchmark a sims game. As far as mobile gaming, you took it out of context and resorted to acting like a child. I didn't say Mobile game was PC gaming. Tard. But that pretty soon gaming on the PC just wont be practical...like Mobile games. It's called an analogy ya scholar. Speaking of mobile gaming. Whens the last time you dragged your entire rig anywhere? I just pop my 360's hard drive out and take it to a friends. I guess you wouldn't have anywhere to take it anyway...ooh awkward!

"pc gaming is dying... everyone knows it" Kinda like you as you play on your console...

I had been intending to buy Bioshock 2, but, with this latest news, seeing how PC gamers are going to be treated, I've just changed my mind. Thanks a lot 2K.

Well ain't that a kick in the teeth for PC gamers who actually went out and bought this game, I don't know why they can't just make the DLC free for PC gamers like other PC companies. another known example of greed right here.. Just because PC gamers won't pay 1200 points for it. why would you want to buy bioshock infinate on the PC if this is the stance they are taken regarding DLC for the platform.

PC gamers aren't as likely to buy DLC. This is mainly because they aren't as stupid.

sure.... pc gaming is dying.... except they are now releasing games that were console only on PC (such as Dead Rising 2) hell even Fable 3 is coming out on PC, PC gaming will never die but at least idiots will.

pc gaming is dying... everyone knows it

@Adema83 Thanks man it is true, I have my own issues with Xbox360 online. So many glitches and hackers, that take the nuisance to a new level it can get irritating. The issue is in the end hackers find a way around what ever firewalls you put in place to stop cheating, even on consoles. Infact the PS3 and Xbox360 are prone to even more hackers than PC's as its easier to hack than most PC games.

Yeah, well, BioShock 1 was a better game anyhow.I just said what we're all thinking.

There is not hate for PC... Just no money in it... Less then 10% of original game buyers buy DLCs. That figure includes all platforms.

I feel a hate for pc gamers.

@payasoplas I need a computer with power so that I can design buildings and then render them to a realistic quality--the fact that it also plays the most graphically advanced video games is only a welcome bonus! :D

Remember a time when you could receive updates and continuous developer support from fantastic indie company's or players? Well that has always been a fantastic perk of PC gaming and is one of the reasons nobody feeds into this disgusting lukewarm DLC garbage.

ya pc gamers dont accept crappy overpriced dlc, console gamers shouldnt either...

@Jock9 I totally understand your point and I really don't mind folk who play on consoles. Hell, I do a lot of gaming on consoles, but I just prefer my PC. What I have a problem with is people who say that consoles are better systems as a whole.

You say that consoles are better pricewise, sure I'll agree with that. You say it's better in the sense that more games come out for it, you got me there (I'll still argue that it's the fault of the publisher). You say consoles are better in every way and that PC gaming will be the same as mobile gaming in a couple years, then I'll lose it.

Like I said in an earlier post, I'll debate and discuss when there are valid points brought up, but I just won't let idiotic or ignorant comments stand.

@Jaga_Telesin Yeah, I don't quite understand all the punishment towards PC gamers for pirating when there are tons of people who pirate 360 games. Even though it's not widely known to the general public, and even if it were just us two people in the gaming community that know about it, it's very likely that all the publishers know all about it. So, why punish PC players? Why not 360 players as well? Because the only ones they wouldn't be able to punish is PS3 players since it's the most difficult system to pirate games for?

It just shows that no matter the reasoning for giving PC players the short end of the stick, it's still unfair. They can't throw pirating at us anymore.

@Gelugon_baat We're missing something here. I keep up on the latest in the "public pirate scene" (the torrent people) so that I know what to tell my clients when they ask about that area of computers, games and music. Console pirating today is nearly equal in terms of downloaded illegal copies to the PC. It has taken a huge jump forward in the last two years, and since there are more and more console gamers all the time it only stands to reason that it will soon surpass PC pirating. Don't think for a moment that console piracy is a small issue at the current time. It just isn't as widely recognized yet in a public sense.

@ Gelugon_baat I agree with you. I wasn't generalizing as I said "most" PC gamers on site like this are always going on about how much greater their computers are at this and that I for one am tired of seeing these comments. I own PC games and I would much rather have most of them be on a console with the exception of RTS games.

@Jock9 Well said, i personally still do 90% of my gaming on my PC because i'm lucky enough to be able to afford to keep upgrading but i understand the point of view of people in your situation or similar. But what i don't understand is why people think no cheating goes on on consoles when the XBox360 is based on pretty much the same coding as the PC that being DirecX and have you see how easy it is to hex edit and copy 360 games. The PS3 on the other hand is allot more complicated to cheat on.

Look we can all complain about this issue; PC gamers and Console gamers but I myself was first a PC gamer, reason I gave up on it was I cannot afford all the upgrades. Im not saying its not worth it, but i'm like most gamers I live on a budget. The PC is great if you have it, and can keep up to date with latest upgrades for the newest games. I remember playing original Half-Life, Quake, Command & Conquer even MSDOS games. I've only turned to consoles cause I am on a budget, plus it already takes me a lot of effort to keep up to date on games alone, i'm just not up to the task to do the same with latest upgrades and additions to my PC too. I do respect PC gamers, and I think this is unfair of 2K. Again the PC gamers get blamed for being pirates, but there are enough pirates hitting console games too. Play enough console games online, you'll see people running faster than they should, and you know yourself they're hacking. So I am a console gamer, and I am on PC gamers side here on this argument. 2K fix up, or you'll just shun a major market buyer, from the PC gamers i.e "you'll lose customers so don't act like children on this."

@Gelugon_baat I like the cut of your jib, sir or madam.

DLC is crap anyway. A stupid fad that needs to die.

Exceptional comments there Gelugon! ;) Generalizing is never a good thing, but it is something almost all of us fall into at one time or another.

Well that's really fair. Just because I want to play on the best platform means I have to go without additional content? Hmmm. I'll NEVER buy a f'n console. Never. I desire the best in gaming and I don't give a crap if these stinking companies want to play favorites. Screw them. DLC sucks anyway. Games should contain everything from the getgo. None of this partial content crap.

Thats to bad, PC gaming is the best

Doubt the DLC will shift many units anyway.

@RadicalToenail An easy way for developers to make money is to sell multiplayer maps and skins. Whether it's bc console gamers are stupid with their money or they don't realize what an incredible rip off it is. It would take less than a day for an amateur to make a multiplayer map or skin while a professional could do it over his lunch break. It's easy money and pc gamers wouldn't think of paying content that should be free or included. I'm not crying over 2K's decision not to include this DLC stuff. What concerns me is the pc market will become a wasteland of console ports, MMOs, & casual crap. Some ports are good like Mass Effect but others are pure crap, the worst offender being Saints Row 2. If you're going to port from a 5 year old machine then at least upgrade the game with dx11, super hi-res textures, physics, extra AI, and stop forcing you to use the xbox360 controller like in Blur. Even though I don't condone piracy, some games developers are just asking for it by releasing a half baked buggy port. The major pc manufacturers like Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Dell, HP, Gateway needs to start funding pc games to give developers incentive to make a proper pc game. Currently there is no game on the market that I can't max, therefore what's the point in upgrading? Nothing sells pc hardware faster than a shiny new game that looks 100X better than anything ever seen on a console. For ex, the original Crysis gave Nvidia's one of its largest profit margins to date.

Don't really care, Bioshock 2 was more of an expansion pack than a sequel anyway and DLC is an awful deal. I never buy DLC.

Ugh, Yes my pc is twice the machine my xbox 360 is. I will always be a pc gamer #1 and console gamer second. Equating pc's to cell phones is just ignorant. My video card alone eats xbox 360's for breakfast. Not opinion, FACT

I've had an XBox 360 since 2005 now..it's 2010. How many PC's have you had to upgrade and replace since than? One... an i7 975, previous to that I had a P4 3.6. I also game in 3D not in 2D.. :) Before you say "that only applies to current games" know this, 3D Vision even works for older games like Battlefield 2, Crysis, Half-Life, etc. Using PowerDVD 10 Ultra, I can upscale my 2D DVDs to 3D, plus I can buy 3D Blu-Ray, without having to "upgrade" my hardware. :) http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-3d-games.html BTW, you would think the X-Box would die given that it lost the format war, guess it can only function as a game system then, such a shame. I used to game on a Apple IIc when computers were scarce and people didn't have the money to plop down 2K for an Apple or IBM. Considering minimum wage was around the 3 dollar an hour mark.. :) What cost $2000 in 1980 would cost $5139.95 in 2009. And guess what? I can STILL play those old Apple IIc games on my current system.. heck even some of the classic Commador 64 games. Can your console do that?! I don't think so! If PC gaming is reaching the ratio of players it was in the 80s, then it still wouldn't die. I use my computer for watching movies, as a stereo, and for productivity, I can fix my computer if it "breaks" by removing parts and replacing them. I can upgrade my processor to a Gulftown (6 core) if I so please, I can even slap in another video card. If PC gaming is dead, why do people still sell components? Would there be any profit in it?

@lithus I had my gaming rig before I got a 360 in 2006. It still plays games better than the 360 (especially my 360 that RROD'd). The Xbox can't even handle the first Crysis while my computer could take it at max. The most I've upgraded was the RAM, and that was only 80 bucks (just $20 less than a new console game. WOW).

Technology in PCs are continuing to advance while consoles have to stay the same until the next generation of systems, and a month later they will be beaten by PCs AGAIN.

And comparing PC gaming to mobile gaming? That's the most idiotic argument I have ever heard, at least on this topic. That right there says that you know nothing of gaming or technology.

So, after that comparison, there is really no need to continue this with you. If someone else wants to continue it with me, that's alright. I just don't like arguing with idiots.

@RadicalToenail: Really man? The "best and always will be"...humm sounds like a real fan, or should I use the root word...Fanatic. Calling me "insane" for going console, equating the PC as a victim to publishers. No, that's insane...........................You sound like a modern day southern confederate even though the war was lost long ago. Holding out hope. Years to come, gaming on the PC will be the equivilant to that of gaming on the cell phone. Sure you can, but it's more of a novelty and just not practical. I've had an XBox 360 since 2005 now..it's 2010. How many PC's have you had to upgrade and replace since than? Publishers didn't abandon you, the market and technology did. And publishers as well as dev's know this. You and all the PC purist keep waving that flag. Because you have no more ground to plant it in.

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let me guess "due to pirarcy" right? so is that how the trend is going to go? less and less good computer games will be made because companies are too afraid of losing out on piracy? and that includes DLC? yay.....great so is PC gaming dead?

@lithus I never said it wasn't the point. Of course publishers are going to care more about money. That doesn't mean PCs aren't the best system. They are the best and always will be, unless an upgradeable console comes along (which would basically be a PC anyway).

PCs are the best system and can compete better than any other. The issue is that they aren't being allowed to compete to their full capabilities. Putting a console game on a PC is like smashing the knee of the best runner in a race to make things more leveled.

Just because you've gone insane and turned into a console player doesn't mean everyone else has to. I've got a PS3 and play quite a few games on it, but I prefer my PC and always will. To say consoles are better is mad. I stand by what I said. PC is still king.

@snake289 I care! Even if they're not as great as System Shock, they're still great games. Although I wish they did a bit more with Bioshock 2 since it seemed almost like a copy of the first game...

RadicalToenail says "The PC would still be on top if it wasn't for companies just seeing games as a way to make money." lol isn't that the whole point? Supply and demand, Capitalism, healthy competition, survival of the fittest...what ever you wanna call it. There's just not enough money in PC gaming as there once was. Some of my fondest gaming memories were on the PC. But I knew when it was time to let go. Expensive rigs, upgrades, software installation, compatibility...look above you for cryin out loud. The headline extends my point. But when you add up the pro's and con's of each platform. PC's just can't compete these days.

@plm3d_basic I do no pirating, so I just get to be pissed when others ruin it :(

But yeah, I never buy any DLC unless it really has something good to offer. Like Rockstar usually does. One or two extra missions don't deserve a purchase, in my book at least, but adding half as many hours to the game, or more, warrants a buy. Or like the expansion packs of the old days...those would usually add tons o' fun. Now DLC will just add on maybe an hour or so. Sucks.

Does anybody on the PC side of things even really care about Bioshock considering how mediocre it is compared to the System Shock games?

@blakeney You can also get a mouse/controller combo from SplitFish. They have ones with motion controls in the controller, so you can still do SIXAXIS stuff, but you have the mouse to do better FPSing.

It ends up dealing serious pwnage to other console players...a little unfair, but why sacrifice superior controls when you don't have to? :P

DLC is nothing more than a way to make more money off of a single title without charging more than $60-70 for a game. A lot of these DLC is already made and some are even on the disc itself. Before consoles took over the landscape developers would release an SDK for gamers to create their own content and post them on the internet for others. I remember playing Quake 3 and after finishing the game I'd go download hundreds of extra skins, maps, bots, etc. for free. I can't believe the day has come where developers can release a multiplayer map or skins which is ridiculously easy to make and sell it for $10-15. With that said, I think part of the blame has to be the perception of piracy for pc games, whether legitimate or not, is discouraging developers from releasing their content onto the pc market until sales on the consoles have been completely tapped. Pc gamers who pirate games should know that they are ruining it for everyone including the developers with their illicit activities.

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