New Super Mario Bros. 2 sells 240K in first week

 @YoshMasterGF  @Hypermug No, it's boring and easy. The worst part is their is one music track and it sucks. Music was such a huge part of Mario games and Japanese games in general imo.

 @Hypermug Oh well I do agree with that!! It is too much like the first one. I think they should at least go to Mario World "complexity".. it was still very basic in a way but there were so much more to do with all the exits and juste enough power-ups etc..

 @YoshMasterGF Don't get me wrong my friend. This IS a good game. There is no denying that. However, when I played SMB 1, then 2, 3, then World and World 2, each experience was different yet still great. NSMB 2 just felt the same as NSMB to me, and the fact that it looks/sounds almost the same as well doesn't help its case. I believe this is what most people have a problem with.

 @harold317 Well, Nintendo have been a part of my gaming life for 20 years, plus during the majority of that time they have wowed gamers all over the world, including myself, but that seems to have changed. So why shouldn't I be passionate about what they do?

Besides, you don't really have a right to criticise me personally, as you did in your opening sentence. So it is clear that you are trying to steer this conversation in an ugly direction. So I am going to make this my final comment. But before I go, you might want to consider you own feelings regarding this matter. After all, your aggressive, unbalanced defence of Nintendo indicates that it is somewhat hypocritical to criticise me for being "ridiculously passionate about the subject". As I said, something to think about. Good day to you.   

I think you're being ridiculously passionate over the subject, but whatever. Just because Nintendo has a money-printing machine with the NSMB franchise doesn't mean they are suddenly losing their creativity, at all. See Sony's Smash Bros rip-off? Now THAT'S something to be worried about. The day Nintendo flat out steals ideas from other developers, is the day you can write pages-long speeches about how Nintendo is losing their creativity. As long as they are the ones being imitated, everything's ok in Mushroom Kingdom.

 @harold317 No, I didn't ignore it. I just felt that it was best to focus the conversation.

Now as I say this, remember that it is just my own opinion, but I didn't buy 3D due to my ongoing complaint about a lack of originality. After trying the game out and reading and watching reviews, I didn't find anything about it appealing. In many ways it felt like a poor man's Mario Galaxy. It just didn't feel "brand new and completely original". Not in the slightest. But to your next point.

In business, yes it makes sense to stick to a winning formula and as I have said many times now, I respect that Nintendo is doing that. But as I already said previously, it seems a little contradictory for a company which has prided itself on originality and creativity, to stick to a routine formula which quite frankly, many people, yourself included, have admitted not being too happy about.

Finally, yes the more original and creative Mario games ARE years apart, but if you look at the NSMB games, they too are years apart so Nintendo doesn't really have the excuse of a small development window being their reason for not making the effort.

Despite typing all of that, I get the impression that we aren't going to find a common ground here. Shall we just agree to disagree?    

 @abHS4L88 I hope so too. Wii U should hopefully allow Nintendo to really stretch its creative legs. Fingers crossed. 

 @kavadias1981  @abHS4L88 I love how you completely ignored the fact that Nintendo made the BRAND NEW, COMPLETELY ORIGINAL SUPER MARIO LAND 3D before releasing this other NSMB2. Just because they made this one for the fans of 2D Mario doesn't mean that they will get lazy and stop doing creative things with Mario. I'm not too happy with how little they change the formula with each of these NSMB games, but I know that when I play them they are pretty much perfect. You don't mess too much with a formula when you get it right. The more original and creative Mario titles tend to be years apart, as a Nintendo loyalist you should know that by now.

 @kavadias1981  

Nah, I didn't feel offended, I just wanted to point out why I felt Mario Galaxy 2 was in no way a cut and paste job. 

Mario is but one franchise of Nintendo so yes, while it is the biggest franchise of the company, it's not necessarily where all of Nintendo's creative prowess is displayed.

I am hoping that the Wii U gives Nintendo the freedom to pretty much do what they want and be able to take more risks with their franchises. 

 @harold317  @abHS4L88 You sound just like me when I was defending Wii U a few months ago. I too used to say "Just don't buy it if you don't like it". But the responses I received made perfect sense. 

Nintendo has been a part of gaming for the majority of many gamer's lives. The reality is is that these people, including myself, DO care. There are those who defend them and those who criticize but in the end we all care.

We all play other games of course, but Mario games are as anticipated as any other favourite series. And to then be greeted by, what appears to be, an overall lack of passion from its creators for the series, is disappointing for some fans.

Now yes, they are intended to be similar. I don't doubt that this was a conscious decision by Nintendo; and from a business stand point they have done very well by achieving strong sales with minimum effort. This is something I praised them for in my initial post. But as I said in said post they just seem to have lost their creative spark, which is a shame for a company which once criticised the industry for becoming stale, prior to the release of the Wii. 

 @kavadias1981  @abHS4L88 Why do you care so much? It's not like it's the only series out there, if you have had enough Mario...maybe it's time to explore new series/games. They still made the original SM3D Land before going with another 2D Mario, people honestly make too much of a big deal out of NSMB's being too similar one to each other. It's meant to be that way! I have no plans to pick this or the WiiU version anytime soon, but I do plan to own a 3DS and a WiiU in the future and I know I'll be picking up these games sooner or later.

 @dawnofhero I hope so too. 

 @harold317  @abHS4L88 Ok, look at it this way. Nintendo put out one 2D Mario on each console... so why has each one since NSMB been almost identical? There was nothing identical about Mario platformers prior to the "new" series, so what has changed at Nintendo? Why the sudden reluctance to make each one original? It is THAT which I complaining about.

Oh and as you say, I don't like it, so I won't buy it. Which is unusual for me since I have bought every other Mario platformer prior to and including NSMB due to their quality AND originality. Again, I present the question; what has changed at Nintendo?  

 @kavadias1981  @abHS4L88 Just don't buy it if you don't like it, jeez. Nintendo knows they have an audience for classic 2D Mario games, so they put at least one classic 2D Mario game on each of their new consoles since the DS. If CoD can get away with selling 5 or 6 CoDs on a SINGLE generation, of course Nintendo can sell at least -ONE- new 2D Mario for their latest console.

 @kavadias1981    I agree with you that Mario games don't really feel original or creative anymore. At least since Mario Galaxy and NSMB Wii. Hopefully the Wii U Mario game (not NSMB U) will be fresh and innovative, like what Mario 64 was.

 @abHS4L88  @thetravman @moviequest14 Hi guys. It looks like this is yet another clashing of opinions. Nothing wrong with that. As long as there are those who are happy with Mario games as they are, I see this as good news for Nintendo as a business. However, you know my opinion and I am not really happy with the direction Nintendo seems to be taking, and I know that I am not on my own in thinking that, but I respect that you feel differently.

As for my opinion regarding the 3D Mario games since Galaxy 1, I can only go by what I felt whilst playing them. I'm sorry if it offends you that I felt Galaxy 2 was a cut and paste job but I stand by my opinion. As I said, recognise that they are all very good games, but I, personally don't find them terribly original or creative any more.  

 @thetravman  

Very well said, also take note that Iwata did say that this will be the only 2D Mario platformer to appear the 3DS (same with the Wii U) as there were only 1 on both the Wii and DS. Even if they do change their minds, it probably won't be for another 3-4 years so I really honestly can't see how something is a cash-grab when they release 2D Mario games so infrequently, especially compared to before.

 @kavadias1981  @abHS4L88

NSMB brought back classic gameplay and implemented a refreshing new template. NSMB Wii added multiplayer and new powerups which is enough to feel fresh all over again. Galaxy is wonderful and Galaxy 2 is what a sequel should be with a huge dose of imagination. Copy and paste job? That's outright insulting. 3D Land is the first of its kind, combining 2D and 3D elements. Those are the most recent games which still proves Nintendo still has their creative touch.

Although I will admit that NSMB2 is unoriginal. It is the first Mario game I've played that is that lacks anything creative that hasn't been done in previous games. It's the only game I've felt that it was a cash-grab but I won't hold it against NIntendo and blindly state "Nintendo lost their touch"  unless there is a long streak of lackluster quality games like Sonic's rough years. With that said, NSMB2 is still a ridiculously fun game.

 @moviequest14 

I agree but as far as 2D Mario goes, I wish I could think of how to innovate the series but I honestly can't think of any ways to push it forward, especially since it was pretty much perfect the first time around. Rayman on the other hand was awesome back then but greatly benefited from this generation to allow for much faster and crazier platforming. Plus that series was dormant for a while so that also helped it out in its glorious return.

I do hope Nintendo does figure out how to move the 2D Mario games forward because the last innovation we saw with it was multiplayer. I'd be down for a new version of Super Mario 2 (Doki Doki Panic) especially since Mario has more characters to play off of now. That was something I always loved about Sonic (especially Adventure) playing with different characters to add variety to the gameplay. 

 @abHS4L88  I have to disagree with you here , it is possible to be innovative and fresh while still giving people ''classic 2d gameplay'' , games like Rayman Origins showed that. It's fine if they want to stick to 2d gameplay but they shouldn't hide behind the fact it's ''classic'' or ''nostalgia'' to get by without any major changes or improvements. NSMB2 looks and plays just like all of the others , there is the coin collecting feature yes , but that seems more like just what should be a bonus feature to another campaign. Where are entirely new worlds that play differently? It's just getting out of hand imo , NSMB was great , but then they took that , added pretty much nothing different and are pumping out  ''nsmb'' as much as possible. And now they're expecting it to carry it's weight as a ''hype'' 1st party title to sell Wii-u when it just isn't .When you think about it that's the exact same logic used to defend CoD ''Classic multiplayer fun that people want more and more of'' I just can't help but see nsmb going down a very similar path.

 @kavadias1981 

No, what I see is a company basically giving consumers what they want. Granted their classics are still super fun, but I'm pretty sure many also crave for newer versions. 

SMG2 was in no way cut and paste, Nintendo recognized that SMG had a lot of untapped potential so it was a great move by Nintendo to create a sequel and the fact that that sequel did not in anyway take away from how amazing SMG was also a testament to Nintendo's creativity. 

Well the Wii U is looking like the perfect platform for Nintendo to really go nuts with their games since there really aren't any hardware limitations for them now. We've already heard rumors about the development of the next Zelda and I can only imagine how the next 3D Mario will be on the Wii U.