Miyamoto, Retro working on 'fantastic' Wii U games

 @littleb75  @GH05T-666 

But majority of the most talented Rare developers are no longer there, my hope is that if this spiritual successor of Banjo-Tooie kicks off, they'll turn into a real studio and bring back the magic of RareWare.

 @TTDog 

When they switched over to Microsoft, Microsoft made it clear that they wanted Rare to create games that had a broader appeal and after Perfect Dark Zero, they didn't allow them to make M rated games anymore. 

While Nuts & Bolts is a great game, that really should've been another IP (like how they created Viva Pinata), the fact that it carried the name Banjo-Kazooie is what made it such a disappointment to many since it's regarded as one of the best platformers ever. 

http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/08/21/donnchadh-murphy-chats-about-rare/

 @abHS4L88 You have proof that they didn't want to develop a game like that other than just speculation?

Nuts & Bolts was a great game, the trial and error of building machines, and the challenge of building the all round machine for the final boss battle was great fun.

 @TTDog 

But that's not the sequel they wanted to make which is why they're banding together to create what they truly wanted to put out the first time. The rights are still held by Rare and Microsoft, but it doesn't mean the former developers can't make their own games.

It's like how Mistwalker Studios makes JRPGs reminiscent of Square's earlier Final Fantasy titles. 

 @mpikatellis  Contrary to what many people are saying, Nintendo is not going to have to "survive" anything.  This is what naysayers have been naysaying since the days of the N64.  Nintendo know what it is doing, and they aren't going anywhere for a very long time.  I would be more surprised if they didn't outlast Sony and Microsoft in the gaming market.  

Thank you, sir.  I appreciate this comment.  

 @abHS4L88 no worries. take it easy

 @mpikatellis 

Yo, where'd this comment go? 

"man you are out of this world. you are so obsessed that you insist on missing out on reality. if you really think that Nintendo has met gamers' expectations the past 10 years then that's the end of our conversation, cause for all i know i could be talking to a 10 year old kid. i can name you a couple of dozen PS3/XBOX360 games out of my head right now that are more immersive, more fun and with better graphics than anything Nintendo had on offer the past 10 years. Not only that, but games that sold by millions, probably by magnitudes more than any of the best Wii games out there. Although i am sure your definition of fun probably lies explicitly in the lines of a pink balloon (kirby) running around in 2 dimensions. Yeah man, I've played a kirby game on gameboy when i was about 12. i also played freakin tiny toons back then. that was that."

This is where you and I are completely different, I've said time and time again, I don't limit myself to graphics or whatever the hell is it you judge ALL games by, which is why I have loads of fun with the games I play and are able to experience a wide variety of titles with little fear of being disappointed. 

Many of the titles Nintendo released on the Wii have gone to be either revolutionary or some of the best games of this generation. Yes there are a lot of great PS3/360 games out there, but let me ask you a question, how many of them were developed by 1st parties? Majority of the best PS3/360 games were developed by 3rd parties, whereas majority of the best Wii games were created by Nintendo themselves and also sold millions. 

I don't know what your definition of fun is, but my definition of fun in videogames is a game that I simply enjoy playing, whether it be for the story, the gameplay, combined with the visuals and soundtrack. I don't give a damn if the games I played are seen as "kiddie" games because guess what, my line of work requires me to be childlike and anyone who has a problem with that seriously has some self-esteem or a really narrow view of life. Good day and don't bother responding, I don't care for what you have to say anymore. 

 @mpikatellis 

So just because other companies are able to jam in much prettier graphics, that automatically makes Nintendo's games less worthy? That's the problem I'm seeing with what you're saying. 

Yes graphics are important to a degree, I want what I'm playing to be aesthetically pleasing to look at BUT at the same time, I'm not going to dismiss a game just because it doesn't look as highly detailed or "pretty" as its competitors, and again, you're comparing realistic looking games to fantasy/cartoony type games. 

How has Nintendo met gamer's expectation's? By delivering games that are immensely fun, extremely memorable, with great replay value, that's how. They prove themselves through gameplay and fun, not through graphics (although they still do a pretty damn good job in that department). I feel like any gamer who judges Nintendo because of graphics are being rather shallow.

So you think Sony and Microsoft are going to release some behemoth consoles? Highly unlikely, after everything that's happened this generation, the signs are pointing to new consoles that are going to be somewhat more powerful than the Wii U, similar to the 6th generation with the PS2, GameCube, and XBox, unless you want Sony/Microsoft to run themselves out of the industry by selling $800 consoles and raising the game prices to $70-$80 a game. 

http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/07/02/the-rise-of-costs-the-fall-of-gaming/

http://gengame.net/2012/07/wii-u-will-not-be-behind-next-generation/

@abHS4L88 Again, I agree with what you are saying. I like the Nintendo franchises too, but i am not obsessed or biased by them. 

I have never said that graphics are the sole reason, but they are definitely a major one. and when someone has played something at the level of say Red Dead Redemption, MGS4, Heavy Rain, COD, TES, etc, then you can expect his/her expectations of the industry to have grown (immediately). That's the bottom line. How has Nintendo met gamers' expectations over the past 5 years? By offering past-generation graphics on 30-year old recurring ideas?

The Wii U came out a bit too late, and i doubt it will survive in the contest of the next gen games. How do you fare it will do if Sony and MS release a mammoth console next year (let's say twice the ram, twice the core)? The moment developers start to downscale their games to fit on a console then that's the moment you know the company's in trouble. 

Needless to say, I can't wait to play a Zelda and Metroid game in full immersive HD. and it's not just the HD that makes the difference, it's the whole spec that matters (core and RAM). The bigger the kernel the bigger the development opportunities ;)

 @mpikatellis 

Oh and missed the last part of your comment, why should Nintendo have to keep up with what everyone else is doing? That is something I don't understand, they've always been about doing what they want to do when they feel it's best to do it and because of this, we've been treated with nearly 3 decades of absolutely jaw dropping games that no other company has even come close to matching. 

There's no confused marketing with them, the only ones confused are the ones who let something as petty as specs and graphics get in the way of why we play games, to have fun, not stare at a pretty scenery, if I wanted to do that, I'd look out my window. I haven't been gaming no where near as long as you, but I have experienced it from the Atari 2600 all the way to now and I've almost never been displeased with gaming since I've never allowed myself to be limited by graphics or specs. If I don't like a game, it's because it's not fun to me, plain and simple.

 @mpikatellis 

I'm not saying HD games aren't amazing looking, I remember when playing through Lost Odyssey, some of my favorite moments were basking in the vibrant beautiful looking cities (something I always loved about Japanese RPGs), I'm just saying that one should not discount the creativity and effort put into the visuals of games just because they're not in HD, does that mean every single 3DS game looks like crap? 

Like I said with games like Okami and Windwaker, the art direction and style used for those games are pretty much timeless and still hold up today despite being made in the 6th generation, but just because they're not in HD they look terrible? I KNOW hardly anyone will agree with you on that. 

Yes, realistic type games highly benefit from HD, but more fantasy type games are able to get by because there isn't really a need for realism in these type of games. Again, look at Super Mario Galaxy and even Kirby's Epic Yarn, the visuals of these games puts many HD games to shame, yes they would've looked much better in HD. Plus you're saying don't  underestimate HD then you go on in saying that you don't expect much with the Wii U, an HD console, contradict yourself much? You saw the Zelda tech demo, Pikmin 3 looks stunning, and New Super Mario Bros. U looks very charming and visually pleasing, what more with their grand scale projects? 

 @DevaGolgotha  @mpikatellis 

Not to diminish the importance of graphics but it should NEVER be the sole reason to play or dismiss a game. I had this one Nintendo hater saying Xenoblade was crap compared to FF XIII because of (guess what??) the graphics, even though Xenoblade was highly superior in every other aspect. 

For me, it is awesome to see these games fleshed out exactly how the developer envisioned it, that's where graphics are important, like how Ocarina of Time 3D was what EAD originally envisioned when they first created the game on the N64.

 @mpikatellis  @abHS4L88 Remember when video games all looked like shit and people cared about the plot and gameplay solely?  Yeah, me too.  In any case, Metroid games have always been fun.  And I really have to say that, considering my favorite game of all time is Earthbound, I couldn't care less for graphic quality.

@abHS4L88I agree with you, but as i said: they looked good for their time. Games engines have moved on, graphic design has moved on. Be it for games or movies, anywhere you look at you see beautiful graphical perfection. Don't underestimate HD, just look around you. When I have in front of me games like Skyrim and CoD I just can't agree with anyone who says that the Wii version of Metroid looks beautiful. Although for the first Prime i could say it looked good for its time, for the Wii version i can only say that it WOULD HAVE looked good HAD IT BEEN released probably 15 years ago. And that's generally the case with anything Nintendo had on offer on the Wii. Sadly enough, i can say the same thing for some of the upcoming games on the Wii U. 

I have been playing games for over 20 years and I have seen the industry grow and blossom in all kinds of directions. Game graphics are heading towards Avatar perfection. Can't say the same for AI, but we'll probably get there someday too. Nintendo has not been keeping up and i doubt they ever will with their confused marketing and mixing of markets and all.