Senior development manager at Lego Group believes future is bright for brick games, says Tolkien purists will appreciate upcoming LOTR game; wants to bring news games to Xbox 720, PS4.
The Lego franchise is pushing along at full steam. Traveller's Tales is currently working on Lego: Lord of the Rings and the Wii U-exclusive Lego City Undercover, with Funcom getting to work on a new Lego MMO of its own. But after those games ship, what then? According to Lego Group senior development manager Darryl Kelley, the future is bright for the series, with "plenty of opportunity" to continue the brand.
Speaking to GameSpot in a new interview about the state of the Lego brand, Kelley opened up on the franchise's explosion in popularity. He said it has been due in part to properly translating the features, functions, and stories of physical Lego toys to the digital space and making sure a core toy-set always accompanies a software launch.
Also during the interview, Kelley opened up on Lego: Lord of the Rings, claiming J.R.R. Tolkien purists will appreciate the game, despite it being peppered with moments that "maybe don't fit" with the author's iconic source material. Further, Kelley explained why Funcom--developer of the mature-rated Age of Conan--was the right fit to make a new Lego MMO, and said Lego is committed to bringing its games to the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4.
How do you view the Lego brand now? Is it healthy? Hurting? Stable? Where do you see it now, in the tail-end of 2012?
On the digital side of things, where a lot of developers and publishers are struggling a bit as we see the tail-end of the console cycle…we've been very lucky to be in the position that we are.
Can you talk about what's been responsible for the explosion in popularity with Lego games?
I think it's a combination of a lot of effort from different parts and stakeholders within the Lego Group. You've seen a strong, obvious cohesion of core themes as it relates to our physical product, and how the features, functions, and stories of those themes translated into the digital space. You look at a minifigure and it's a play-starter, a story-starter. When you take that and put it into a digital form, especially when there's a great theme associated with it, it really builds on the fun that you can integrate into a digital experience and it translates well, and we've see that across the board from our target group of 7-9 year-olds and adults. We've seen a lot of adults really love the Lego games as far as the challenge and replayability factor.
"A lot of developers and publishers are struggling a bit as we see the tail-end of the console cycle…we've been very lucky. "
How we translate those core, DNA features into our games, I think plays well on both sides. I think you see an impression as far as how it can inspire someone playing the toyset to want to actually try the game and from playing the game want to actually play with the toyset. It's a healthy balance that we've been able to nurture and maintain over the last 5 to 6 years.
We've seen a new Lego game every year for the past decade or so. Is the Lego Group worried about brand saturation or oversaturation?
Always. Yes. Of course. Any developer, or any publisher, or toy manufacturer would always look at [brand saturation] from an acute, strategic, and competitive point of view. And it's important that we're adding novelty to each and every game. There's always something new; there's always something different. We're always looking to add different layers, whether it's a feature or a function or it's new hardware, which we'll have the luxury of having over the next few years. So it's definitely always been a concern, and it's just important to maintain a healthy balance. We design every game as a support of a core product. We've learned from the past that we need support to make sure that every game is supported from a core theme that we have physically available to our consumers.
Regarding Lego: Lord of the Rings, this is obviously a big project for the Lego Group. The source material for this game, as you're aware, is dark and serious, but the Lego brand is all about accessibility and light-heartedness. These seem to be contrasting ideas. So where is the line drawn.
It's kind of a darker game when it comes to Lord of the Rings, but that's the great opportunity for Lego; that we can bring that levity and humor into what could really be a serious situation. We've been able to provide the Lego DNA and the fun and the humor and really inject it into situations where maybe it doesn't fit, But it's just the fact that a simple little movement or gesture from a Lego minifigure just completely lightens the moment and provides what would be more of a serious situation to a more hysterical moment. And you've seen that pattern throughout our games and TT Games is very, very good and accomplished at understanding the Lego brand and how the humor really can lighten the moment and create a less serious situation. It's been something we've paid a lot of time and attention to, especially as it relates to the Lord of the Rings, and the end result is turning out to be something special.
Are you worried, though, that some Tolkien purists are going to be turned off by that idea? Have you heard anything to that effect?
No. We haven't. But I think the way the game is designed, it follows the story. There's no deviation from that, so I think for your Middle-earth fans and your Tolkien purists, they're going to appreciate what we're able to accomplish, but also still provide those moments where even if you are a Tolkien purist, it's a moment where you can laugh. It creates a more lighthearted instance where what would be a more serious theme or tone, so I think it's going to appeal to a lot of different consumers.
Do you think that Tolkien himself would want this game to be made? Do you think he'd play it if he was around?
[Laughs] I would hope so. That's obviously a question of whether he'd be into video games in the first place. I would hope so. Yeah, I would love for him to be able to play our game and to get direct feedback from him. That would be amazing.
The Lego brand has tapped into a number of huge franchises already. Harry Potter, Batman, Pirates of the Caribbean, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and more. Where else can you go from here?
We're obviously constantly evaluating the portfolio and like I had mentioned before, we are very tied to our core playthings. Depending on what our portfolio looks like in the coming years will always dictate how we want to approach the digital side of it from a strong strategic and integrated point of view. There's still plenty of opportunity and ways for us to expand the digital portfolio for our consumers. As our toy business evolves, we will evolve with it.
So the mindset is always physical first, then build games off that?
It's definitely always a healthy balance. And we always want to make sure that we have games that coincide with our physical business. It's not a strong business model to completely separate ourselves and that's why we try to be a very cohesive company.
There's going to be a new Lego MMO built by Funcom. Can you talk more about this project?
There's still a lot of details to be worked out. I can't give away too much information on that. But I can say yes there is a project in the works with Funcom and there will definitely be more to come down the road as far as the details and the idea of that game will be all about.
"The loyal fans of Nintendo, in many ways, are very equal fans to the loyal fans of Lego."
Can you talk about why Funcom was the right fit? Because they have not made many younger audience-themed games before. They're known for some pretty mature games.
It's absolutely true. We had discussions with Funcom for some time and felt that the opportunity for what this project could be all about…[we] felt that they were a good fit. And Lego is not quick to make decisions. We definitely work through ideas and thoughts for a period of time and we felt that it would be a good fit for what this project would entail.
It's no secret that the last Lego MMO--Lego Universe--despite attracting 2 million subscribers, fell short. Can you talk about how things will be different this time around?
We've learned a lot from Lego Universe. And it was a great opportunity for the Lego company. And it was actually, in many ways, quite a success for us. We look at is as a strong opportunity for us to learn how to work within that area and that digital landscape. And we're going to take a lot of those learnings and apply it to how we move forward, like the project with Funcom. There's really not a lot to say publicly.
Shifting gears a bit, Lego City Undercover stole a lot of hearts this year at E3. How early on did Lego know it wanted to have a game for the Wii U?
This game has been in development for some time. As with a lot of our games, the opportunity to work with a partner like Nintendo is one that you just don't make a decision irrationally on. They are an amazing partner and we're really fortunate to have been able to work with them to develop Lego City Undercover. It has been a project that we have been working on for some time, and that's the best I can say.
What is it about the Wii U that makes it a good fit for Lego?
Nintendo and Lego's core and fans are very tightly matched. We've seen that throughout our process and development here. The loyal fans of Nintendo, in many ways, are very equal fans to the loyal fans of Lego. And the quality standards that Nintendo has is very reflective of the high quality standards that we have. It's very much one-to-one. So we felt that the opportunity to be exclusive on this platform and to take advantage of the new features and functions, especially with the GamePad, was definitely an opportunity that we all felt was best for both parties.
Lego is obviously supporting the Wii U, but what about future console from Microsoft and Sony, should they exist? Is Lego planning that far out yet?
No we're not planning that far out yet because nothing has been confirmed from those guys. So I can't necessarily comment on when they will confirm their new systems. Obviously we would love to be on those platforms and we will make every effort to be on those platforms, whether it be with a new or an existing game. So we'll cross that road once we see more from those first-parties.
Yay! Lets cheapen our childhood memories with another childhood (so-so Lego toys) memory! Seriously, do we have to filter everything that was once good through a Lego strainer? Whats funny though, is that people are pissed about Angry Birds doing a Star Wars version...but Lego can aquire and plunder anything it wants and you tools praise them for it...
A HEARTY AND MUCH-DESERVED AMEN TO THOSE SENTIMENTS! Glad to get behind a game line that isn't fodder for addicts and wretches!
Got halfway through that interview and became bored. Truth is I'm a little fatigued by LEGO games. They're pretty much all the same and they all lack any real challenge. So long as they get hold of a franchise I'm interested in I'll probably still get them. :o/
It amazes me even today that Lego have entirely neglected an opportunity to create a Minecraft-style sandbox game with buildable, customisable, and drivable vehicles and exploration. It's such an obvious idea, leveraging what many of us loved about Lego as kids, and yet it's not been done. Why??
i like the lego games, they're really entertaining and have a twisted sense of humor, usually they quite enriching in the gameplay experience too. Keep em coming...:)
I would hope there are more opportunities out there considering you have barely tapped into what is really out there. It sucks for the Lego game fans that you would have to have a Wii or Wii U just to play a Lego Mario or Zelda.
How about Lego <not> a franchise? When they were making Pirates of the Caribbean, Indiana Jones and Star Wars lego games- why couldn't they have done the far more creative Lego Pirates, Lego Adventurers, and Lego Space? Have they no creativity of their own left? Lego City Undercover should have been made years ago by now.
I just don't like how these Lego games play. I tried the first, I tried one of the latter Star Wars, and I tried Batman 2, and I just don't enjoy playing them.
I'm glad they're taking a purist approach to LOTR and will put emphasis on the story. Otherwise, no one will have any clue what the hell's going on XD. If there's a free mode, I totally wanna be Sauron in his armor.
Is Lego running out of ideas? Games like Alpha Team and Rock Raiders are some of the original titles that made Lego video games awesome in the first place.
I've played all of them with my niece and nephew and they are fun. I don't get why some people hate them.
I want to see LEGO Avengers!
I dont mind the lego graphics and character design. But i dont like the level design and gameplay. Only thing I love about lego is the humor.
Since I am not five, I hate these games. They would be far more fun without the stupid looking mute lego characters. But someone likes them I guess.
@kiramasaki They talk now. And who says that 5-year olds aren't part of the gaming community? You think teens and adults are the only ones that buy games?
I've never understood all the hate for the Lego games, the biggest (of not many) complaint being the repetitive gameplay.
It's true enough...but that's completely beside the point of these games. More than anything they're still fun, and they're especially fun for kids. Not many of those out there these days. Particularly kid themed games that aren't full of innuendos for older crowds. They can also introduce said kids to worlds and stories they'd otherwise never hear of.
And of course they're a great way to actually play through some of YOUR favorite stories. I am all for a continuation of this series without drastically changing the gameplay. There's always improvements to be made, but just look at these comments...full of so much brick-tastic potential! I think they should take it easy on the TV show, but hey...one of my favorite games as a kid was a Lego game on PC. You had to deliver pizzas and build a helicopter....good times....
I had a BLAST with LEGO Batman 2 recently (which was really Lego Justice League fyi). Great CO OP game to play with my nieces, nephews, my lady, and of course on Saturday morning after eating a bowl of Capt. Crunch and playing in my underoos. I didn't even shave that day, it was LEGO DAY, lol.
Don't judge, you know you've had days like this. :P
Games they MUST make: LEGO Star Trek, LEGO James Bond, LEGO Spider-Man, LEGO X-Men, LEGO Justice League (Properly named this time, but I think LEGO Batman 2, and its ending, was going in that direction), LEGO Tomb Raider (it'd be fun, admit it)
There's only one slight problem with the Lego games; the gameplay is usually similar, if not exactly alike. But then again, Lego City UC oughtta freshen things up.
I am no fan of Lego but once i bought a Lego-Game...Star Wars(Complete).
As a Star Trek fan too,i would be interested in a Lego Star Trek game.
But i am afraid of Star Trek,Next Generation,DS9,Voyager and Enterprise versions of the same game.
Lego City Undercover actually looks good, it seems like it's one Wii-U game worth getting...Lego LOTR looks good but i'll wait for a review....
IDK, I don't mind where things are now for Lego games but they'll need to do more than just rehash Star Wars and Batman....we'll need new franchises to draw from as well as changing up how the games are played.....maybe do one as a RPG? just throwing that out there.....
Didn't they just say last week that they were worried about over-saturation of LEGO games? Now we have them saying there is "great opportunity for more games." Huh?
"We've seen a new Lego game every year for the past decade or so. Is the Lego Group worried about brand saturation or oversaturation?
Always. Yes. Of course. Any developer, or any publisher, or toy manufacturer would always look at [brand saturation] from an acute, strategic, and competitive point of view. And it's important that we're adding novelty to each and every game. There's always something new; there's always something different. We're always looking to add different layers, whether it's a feature or a function or it's new hardware, which we'll have the luxury of having over the next few years. So it's definitely always been a concern, and it's just important to maintain a healthy balance. We design every game as a support of a core product. We've learned from the past that we need support to make sure that every game is supported from a core theme that we have physically available to our consumers."
@endorbr The LEGO folks never said that. This is basically their response TO that.
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