or they could do a guitar hero avenged sevenfold, because i am sure that the band would love for them to make one of them
Analysts disagree on whether Activision could have done things differently to keep rhythm series viable, but expect Tony Hawk to make an eventual return.
Activision broke up the band yesterday, officially shutting down its Guitar Hero business unit, cancelling the 2011 installment of the series and calling an end to the flow of new downloadable content for the series. Today, analysts are split on whether the franchise could have avoided this fate and if they expect Activision to eventually attempt a comeback for the series.
Speaking with GameSpot today, Electronic Entertainment Design and Research analyst Jesse Divnich downplayed the suggestion that Activision's enthusiastic release schedule for the series--including seven separate Hero titles in 2009 alone--contributed to its decline.
"When the first Guitar Hero was sold, the time clock of its success and ultimate demise started and there wasn't a single strategy Activision could have implemented to hinder it," Divnich said. "If Activision hadn't flooded the market, someone else would have, and the state of the music genre in 2011 would have been unchanged. There is absolutely nothing Activision nor anyone could have done to save the music genre."
Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter said Activision could have likely improved the Guitar Hero franchise's life span if had better managed the games' tracklists and instrument peripherals.
"The biggest flaw in the model was that the peripherals were always 'good enough,'" Pachter said, "meaning that once you bought the band kit, you didn't need to upgrade to next year's version. One of the selling points was the breadth of the music offering, and most games had 60-80 songs, so it was tough to justify buying another game when you still had 40 songs you hadn't tried on last year's version."
While Pachter believes there will always be some demand for the Rock Band and Guitar Hero style of rhythm game, it's not one he expects Activision to satisfy, saying simply, "I think Guitar Hero is gone for good."
Meanwhile, Divnich thinks the Guitar Hero franchise is not dead, but merely "hibernating."
"It may take three to five years, and likely a whole new generation of consoles, but I see a possibility of a short revival in the future," Divnich said. "Activision is a methodical company, and their continued dominance hinges on the growth of their franchises, not the decline. The resources that would have been used to create the next Guitar Hero will be best served on creating new intellectual properties."
While the pair of gaming prognosticators split on the fate of Guitar Hero, they found themselves in closer agreement on the future of the Tony Hawk franchise, which Activision also ruled out of its 2011 lineup. Pachter said the long-rolling skateboarding series is simply taking a breather, while Divnich said it would return for the next generation of consoles "at the latest."
i think since activision has been adding Rammstein into the guitar heros lately, they should make a guitar hero rammstein and that would bring them back to business, because every one i talked to said it was awesome having rammstein in guitar hero.
Good riddance. Now instead of wasting time on these god-awful games, people would actually learn how to play real instruments. It's not that hard, and it's much more satisfying.
@lazycomplife Yes, that's right. Around the time GH:Rocks the 80's came out, Harmonix was bought by MTV and EA while Red Octane and the Guitar Hero name were bought by Neversoft and Activision.
@HelIWithoutSin Thanks for that info. I didn't know that Harmonix did the first two guitar heros. I guess it was after they got the rights to the songs from mtv that they sold the franchise and moved onto rock band?
Make a Guitar Hero: Motley Crue and put their entire first 5 albums on it in, Make the guitar play like it played in GH3 and GET RID OF TOUCH STRIP! beast game! On With The Show
Their own fault really. They threw out like 6 games a year instead of just making DLC packs. That plus the need to release new intrument controllers with each game didn't help. In a few years time, we'll see a new GH game and then there will be more games pumped out yearly.
Divnich: "...their continued dominance hinges on the growth of their franchises, not the decline. The resources that would have been used to create the next Guitar Hero will be best served on creating new intellectual properties." It would...but new IPs don't happen very often; they want to line their own pockets while lining the pockets of their stockholders. The money will go into yet another CoD, if anything. New IPs are considered too risky unless your an indie developer. Unless something magical happens, gaming is going to end up with terminal "sequelitis".
Guitar Hero wore out it's welcome with the repeated sequels and spin offs year after year. Tony Hawk was buried by Skate, which finally gave real skaters a place to turn besides the old Thrasher. Both need a good, long time off
Whut!? OMG i love GH and can't believe they did this. This is terrible! They need to sign more artists & allow more DLC. That would make things sell better. Or just sell all future games as DD using PS3 Home or Xbox Live. what a dumb decision by Activision.
I think this has been said, but they probably made one too many, getting greedy on something that wasn't based on anything more than a peripheral. I fear that this might be the way of the dance games too...too much too soon and then there won't be a market around for it.
People are tired of Guitar Hero and as for Tony Hawk, those games either need to get better or just go away
"The biggest flaw in the model was that the peripherals were always 'good enough,'" Pachter said, "meaning that once you bought the band kit, you didn't need to upgrade to next year's version." Yeah, thats too bad you couldn't screw your customers by making them buy more stupid plastic instruments. They basically made the same game 15 times over with Guitar Hero, Rockband and others, but that wasn't enough for them. I'm glad I play real instruments and never had a desire to play this game.
i said a year ago that they needed a break from this series and to allow some time for the series to settle and just do dlc support. some asshat told me that was stupid and the big bundles would sell year in and out. what an idiot.
They just didn't do as much as they could have done. Little Big Planet had the right idea, making content downloadable, instead of releasing a new game, until they really did need to make an important update. That would have made around 3 of the games a good choice to release. The rest could have been done during an online update. They could have also have tried releasing expansions, instead of full games, for people without an internet connection
man i remember when guitar hero 2 and 3 came out man they had the magic you would to peoples houses get together just to play but it really did die and its time had simply come
this sucks i love guitar hero with a passion, at least i still have my real fender stratocaster i can rock out on lol.
@lazycomplife Just to clear things up, Harmonix created Guitar Hero I, II, and Rocks the 80's and then moved on to Rock Band.
Just goes to show that its not the brand that makes games good, but the developers. Let's see if they remember this lesson down the road.
Please be gone for good. The music genre isn't dead, it's just back in the hands of Harmonix, where it belongs.
Remember who started Guitar Hero? Harmonix! After the whole change that lead Harmonix to go with MTV games which lead to Rock Band, GH was the one playing catch up.
Good riddance! GH3 was a bit of fun back in 07 or whenever it was, but only for parties etc. It had it's day, when DJ Hero came out it was clear that the idea bag had reached the last scrap of paper left in the bottom.
No way this is gone for good. There always will be a market for something different and when people crave thsi type of gaming again we will see it again.
Srsly, Guitar Hero will never beat rock band. It's sad cause they started the plastic guitar trend, but Harmonix just does things better. If ATVI wants to revive the series, they're going to need one hell of a defibrilator.
"There is absolutely nothing Activision nor anyone could have done to save the music genre.", this statement came from their DESIGN & RESEARCH analyst... and that worries me deeply. If this is the level of creativity we can expect from gaming industry for the future, then we're doomed. On the other hand, I think Jesse was just side-stepping the milking-the-genre accusations, stating that "if we didn't do it, someone else would!" and blaming the game being "developed-to-the-max", with no other ways to improve on it... Really, Jesse? ... quite a big statement for an analyst eh?
not surpised its ended, but its a shame, maybe content like metallica and other should have been DL content, that way it wont have seemed to be so many variations and kill it so quick.
TBH They milked Guitar Hero too much,if they only brought out 1 main game a year it wouldn't be so bad. But also I think Warriors of Rock appealed to a different kind of audience. For most of the casual market heavy metal is probably a bit too much. But at the end of the day Jobs are lost and that's most important thing to think about.
"......someone else would have" who exactly is "someone" in this situation? The only other one is rockband and they weren't doing this. So whats he talking about? They could have kept this alive for awhile but it would have taken creativity, and activision doesn't do creativity. For example: layering other gameplay on top of the music like in amplitude.
I love the GH series, they're my window at what being a musician must be like (of course, as much as playing CoD to telling me what being a soldier must be like). That being said, I have to admit, that after Wold Tour, new games are just 80 track packs... and that's not what keeps a franchise alive. Could Activision be just playing hard to get with this announcement?
@morde10668, that is a terrible analogy, food and games aren't comparable; for one, games are not a one time use the same way food is. I'm sure a lot of people will go to their favourite restaurant and order the same meal more than 17 times in the course of several years.
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