CFO Rob Lloyd says Wii U not performing on pace with original Wii "for a variety of reasons," one being a lack of major first-party titles.
The Wii U has failed to match the sales pace of its original Wii predecessor for a "variety" of reasons, GameStop CFO Rob Lloyd said today, noting that a lack of major first-party titles is just one of the factors.
Speaking during the Goldman Sachs Technology and Internet Conference this afternoon, the executive said the Wii U launch went off as predicted, but interest in the new console has since fallen off.
"We were pleased with the allocation [of Wii U units] that we got through the launch. I think for us, it performed at expectation," Lloyd said. "I think what you're [now] seeing is the interest has not been to the overall level that [Nintendo] had hoped for. And it's not performing like the Wii did."
"There are a variety of theories as to why that might be," he added. "But among them is there hasn't been the blockbuster from Nintendo. So Nintendo I think understands the need to have that first-party software available to drive Wii U sales."
Nintendo has officially sold 3 million Wii U hardware units and 11 million software copies across the world since launch last year.
Nintendo president Satoru Iwata last month apologized for a lack of Wii U software available. He explained that Nintendo understands the need for new titles surrounding the Wii U launch, but also acknowledged that achieving quality is of the utmost importance.
Significant first-party titles for the Wii U are on the way, including a brand-new Wii U Legend of Zelda game and a Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker high-definition remake. Other Nintendo-produced Wii U titles revealed recently include new Yoshi, Mario, and Mario Kart offerings.
Everyone thinks this is a console problem but I think we may see jaws drop when the PS4 and Xbox 720 don't sell. Tough economies around the world with people making lower and lower wages cuz companies are outsourcing jobs to people under rule by corrupt governments means less people having money and those people are choosing much of the time now to game on tablets which heck you can find many free versions of games and very cheap games too and the cost of a tablet is far less than a pc or gaming console. I honestly think console gaming is in big trouble.
Nintendo games are good, but their consoles are way outdated at release. For example, the Wii U is only slighty better then PS3 & Xbox 360. Yet we can look at PS4 specs and see it is light years ahead of current consoles with a 8 core 64 bit cpu and 8 gig of GDDR5 ram. Why does Nintendo insist on being behind the times with their hardware in consoles?? If Nintendo Wii U had the same specs as PS4 then I wouldn't have to even buy the PS4. Then I would have more cash for Wii U accessories and games.. I have no problem dropping 600 - 800 bucks on a Nintendo console if the specs are high end and its cleary worth it. Plus Nintendo fails to see the need for Bluetooth which in todays time is a must have on any console.
@mumrahh1 Umm.. WiiU does not need bluetooth. It is Wifi capable and works just fine with a wireless network. And why even bring up Bluetooth? Bluetooth is better for small devices I.e. phones etc.
"Bluetooth technology is useful when transferring information between two or more devices that are near each other when speed is not an issue, such as telephones, printers, modems and headsets. It is best suited to low-bandwidth applications like transfering sound data with telephones (i.e. with a Bluetooth headset) or byte data with hand-held computers (transferring files) or keyboard and mice.
Wi-Fi is better suited for operating full-scale networks because it enables a faster connection, better range from the base station, and better security (if configured properly) than Bluetooth."
And as far as your hype on the PS4. Sure it has some nice social features and decent internals but as IGN editor Collin Campbell stated "The games look good but not that much better than the PS3"
"It dawned on me, even as I sat enjoying the games, that PlayStation 4 is going be just as neat as we?d all hoped. But also that the incredible PS1-PS2 jump is never going to come again. Nor the enormous PS2-PS3 leap.
The astonishing visual fidelity being shown in New York, is quite a bit nicer than the gorgeous fidelity I can find on my PS3 at home. These are lovely-looking games. But they are not so much greater than PS3 that my tongue is lolling around my curly chest-hair." -- Collin Campbell
So if the PS4 isn't that much of a drastic jump over the PS3 why pour tons of resources into the WiiU and only increase the cost for the consumer. The disparity between graphics will not be as great as it was between Wii, PS3, and 360 last gen. We have reached a plateau where HD games look quite good. Nintendo always has placed affordability over graphical grunt. A lesson Sony would do well to learn. It was not the PS3 or the 360 that dominated last gen in terms of pure sales. It was a 'underpowered' standard definition system that appeal to everyone...not just a given demographic of gamers but rather everyone.
So there is a chance that Bungie's next project (Destiny) may come to WiiU.
The WiiU is listed in the game's source code.
Also during the documentary video about the game they make a quote "My Body is Ready" Anyone who is a Nintendo fan knows this statement is associated with Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils Aime.
Also WiiU owners may see Watchdogs come to the system. As it was listed for preoorder on Gamestop's website.
What do you think?
I kinda want nintendo to drop out of the console market and make 3rd party games for other consoles. They should still stay in the handheld market but I think it would be better for everybody if they did that.
It's better for nintendo because they would probably earn more money from all the software sales on the ps360 or ps4 and 720.
It would be better for sony and micosoft because they get more third party support.
It would be better for sony and microsoft fans because they get nintendo games without having to own a nintendo conosle.
It's better for nintendo fans because they only care about games. Having nintendo games on other consoles let's them have good graphics, online, and game all in one.
@d8910 You should be ashamed for thinking such. The reason the gaming industry has existed this long is because of companies like Nintendo who try to innovate the way we think about and play games.
And who are you to say its better for Nintendo? Are you their financial advisor now? Nintendo has got on just fine on its own doing its own thing for 25+ years. And I will tell you one thing, if you think graphics or online are all that Nintendo fans care about you are sorely mistaken. Why do you think people have played Mario so long?
Its not because of its graphics or online, its because Mario has offered some of the best gameplay experiences in gaming. The same can be said for Zelda. And I am sure just about any Nintendo fan would argue that high polygon counts are no substitute for sheer artistic vision and mastery. Anyone who has played Windwaker or Skyward Sword, Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime would tell you as much.
@d8910 IF THEY DO THAT! I KILL THEM THEY ARE ALMOST 50 YEARS ON GAMES INDUSTRY,
OF ALL MASTERPIECES AND GARBAGES POSSIBLE THEY CAN´T STOP!!!!!!!!.
A developer with brains and balls can really turn this around, making a profit and a big name for themselves. Too bad developers these days have their brains on safe mode and their balls in their publishers' purses...
28th November ? December in Japan. Avg... December... So I think, this year will be great for wii u, next year is the year of other consoles. Probably I'm gonna buy next xbox generation. I like both franchises. But on the other hand, next Xbox/ps generation will be more expensive so, these consoles probably will not do the same sells was the previous generation.
Sry for my English I'm from Argentina, but I hope you can understand me. I'm not a fanboy, but if new consoles have so much hardware, the cost will be high... Probably 600,in my country 2000 dollars (wii u costs 900 dollars) but I bought it in USA.
All this Wii U news makes me laugh. I saw all this coming the day it was announced, and I said so on this site.
@supershmo Playable at E3, Along with Mario Kart playable at E3, along with a new 3D mario playable at E3.
Well lets get with it??? The same with the vita.... Lets get some good/great games on these systems so we can play yo!!!!! The hardware isnt what the ps4/xbox 720 are saying they are but so what... great must have games bring people to buy your system nintendo lets go.. lets make it happen yo
There is no market for the wii u outside of japan, where Mario is worshipped as a god.
Casual gamers have moved on to tablet and smart phone games. Hardcore gamers won't go near anything made by nintendo. Soccer moms refuse to dish out 500 bucks for casual gaming...not to mention keeping up with all the system and web maintenance/updates.
Casual gamers are too fickle to support something in the long term.
@enoslives7Not true (depsite being opinion). There are hardcore games for Nintendo, though not as numerous. But that's fine. We need a balance of casual and hardcore. Sorry to crumble your perfect world of nothing but hardcore stuff. I don't consider tablet and smart phone games as...games. There is a market for Wii U outside of Japan...I think it's U.S, Canada Europe, and Australia. Speaking of web maintenance /updates, at least that's the only thing Nintendo dealt with and not hardware breakdowns and issues like Mr. Red Ring of Death and Mr. 5000 updates for a game in one day, causing people to waste money to rebuild and re-sell slimmer consoles.
@enoslives7 I don't agree, Nintendo has the most potential to appeal hardcore gamers in their 20's. Simply because the own the franchises we grew up with, the same games that made is "hardcore" to begin with. Stuff like Star Fox, Metroid, Zelda, Earthbound, and F-Zero are franchises with high prestige amount the hardcore market. Is also true they are appealing to the nostalgic emotions those franchises invoke on us, but the matter of the fact is that when it comes to first party franchises from Nintendo, their track record is excellent. Sure we have a lot of excellent games out there like Mass Effect, Far Cry, and Assassins Creed among many other great "hardcore" franchises, yet I have yet to see a developer match the quality of GAME DESIGN and GAME MECHANICS of Nintendo first part games. If you were to take Mario Galaxy 2, and read the design document for that you will shit your pants (not kidding), is absolute brilliant.
Nintendo Wii U will succeed once they start pumping out all their major franchises. Also, Nintendo has made it clear they want to focus a lot more on the so call "hardcore" market this time around. They are NOT stupid, they know 500 bucks for casual gamers is too much. That's why we got launch titles like Zombie U, and other third part big games like Darksiders and Call of Duty. because early adopters of consoles with high price tags are always the hardcore market.
Last thing, any true hardcore gamer in their 20's knows that Mario is a franchise NOT for casual. Is a franchise designed for early age hardcore gamers, and it's still pretty fun and challenging for older ones. Honestly, I don't know many "casual" gamers who were able to beat New Super Mario Bros Wii, that shit is too hard for casuals.
@enoslives7 Hardcore gamers are 15 years and under
@Metallicwolf29 Whereas casual gamers and Nintendo fans refuse to accept that someone else has a point if it doesn't fit in with their way of thinking.
@Drkirk08: Only its not wrong... where is the big name game to sell the machine? The one to disguise the fact that the WiiU is no better than other consoles that have been around for 6 years plus? Even worse the big name titles have carried so much of the burden for Nintendo with the Wii being such a casual orientated machine that they've lost a bit of their sheen and appeal now. If you can't see that and that this guy has a point then have a reality check... and check out the January NPD sales to see the flop happening.
@enoslives7 That is why I don't support the facist regime known as the hardcore gamers.
3 Million in not quite 3 months isn't that bad. BUT! WHERE IS METROID & CASTLEVANIA IN THE RELEASE SCHEDULE?
Not to mention, once a game goes gold they should be available for download the next day!
Only 3 million Wii U consoles? No wonder Ubisoft wanted to move a previously Wii U exclusive 2D platformer like Rayman Legends to multi-platform. I understand their business reason, even if it sucks with the delay for the Wii U version that was done.
Only? Excuse me but by what standard is that a bad thing? Both the 360 and PS3 didn't even hit 3m until far later than the Wii U did.
@abHS4L88 @victorlamy @digi_matrix The WiiU isn't selling well in software, that's a problem for publishers.
3 Million isn't so bad but I know Nintendo can do better.
@digi_matrix Well, it's all Yamauchi's fault that Nintendo lost 3rd party support in the first place. 3rd party developers have mocked Nintendo's consoles since the N64 era, but not their handhelds however.
I'm just bored of seeing the same old games we always see try to make me buy a Nintendo console, I'd rather wait for the other two
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Nothing can save the WiiU because a majority of the people who bought a Wii and made it successful aren't gamers and could care less about a new console that will be outclassed in about 9 months when PS4 and Xbox 720 arrive.
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@chuckratm1 People said the same thing about the 3DS against the Vita. What happened with that?
I have to agree with the article, the WiiU just isnt showing its worth yet at if at all.
The launch games were terribly weak with most of them being ports of older games, some of which run worse than their older counterparts (Batman-framerate)
Don't get me wrong I love Nintendo and in recent years have invested alot of time and money into the Wii, one game in particular Xenoblade chronicles has swallowed hundreds of hours of my time.
All im seeing is Mario/Yoshi/Zelda sequals and remakes, i'm tired of these, they do not win new fans they just keep existing fans happy.
Nintendo really needs to come up with some more adult related franchises.
Until then I will be keeping the WIIU at arms length and wait until the other 2 decide to release their consoles, maybe then Nintendo will show their quality. if they dont then my money will be going to one of the others.
@kekejefferis Metroid is an adult-related franchise. I'm also predicting that the next game in the series will be M-rated.
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It always seems to me Nintendo dosnt value the Metroid franchise as highly as their typical cash cows of Mario/Yoshi and Zelda.
Personnally when I think of Nintendo I think of Metroid not Mario.
I just hope they can get out of the rut they have dug themselves into and become an awesome console/games developer and not just some narrowminded money greedy monster.
Also I think Nintendos success with the handheld market since what the late 80's has made them a very viable platform for 3rd party developers. Nintendo hasnt really shined on the home console market since the NES days. SNES was cool but here in the UK the Megadrive was the dominator. Nintendo since then has always been on the outskirts of the console race, the N64 was hampered because it was a 64bit machine in a 32bit race, it also used expensive carts instead of cheap discs.
The Gamecube was a bit hit and miss it was agreat console but seemed to ignore all the advancements made with the PS2/Xbox, it also looked like a fisherprice toy.
The Wii although being a great console is woefully underspec and suffered by being a one trip pony. I guess Nintendo are now a victim of their own success from the Wii. They managed to draw the mass casual crowd but they couldnt keep thier interest long enough to make them a loyal customer. Its these people which I beileve probably discard the WiiU without a second thought.
@kekejefferis Do you think the next Metroid will get an M rating?
@kekejefferis That's not the case with their handhelds though. Nintendo does a better job with their handhelds. MUCH Better. Weird, huh?
@GSJones1994 @kekejefferis Indeed :]
Bayonetta 2 has perked my interest but not nearly enough for me to consider handing over money for the WiiU now.
Sadly my kids (ages 8 & 10) both said they didnt want the WiiU after playing it in a local game store. And my daughter has a Mario obsession! she says shes quite happy to continue playing Mario on the old Wii as its virtually identical.
Maybe Zelda will be worth waiting for but I must admit after the daft sword waving from Skyward sword my attention has been blunted.
Honestly Nintendos biggest problem is lack of 3rd party support, but sadly this seems to be a trait with their home consoles and I don't see the WiiU breaking this trait anytime soon if ever.
@kekejefferis @GSJones1994 Or on the 3DS. They need to give Mario & Zelda a break and explore their other franchises. Metroid is probably the only series that can win back the hardcore audience, unless if Nintendo brings back Eternal Darkness, release another fatal frame, or make another adult series for the heck of it.
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