Forza Horizon gets $50 DLC pass

 @Lhomity False. Mario Kart, Need for Speed, PGR, etc. You see Gran Turismo as a freak and see it as diminishing the racing genre where anything that is not massive and overloaded will be a flop. YET you argue that publishers need to make lots of money off DLC because they need the funding to finance their games of today which are massive in budget and overloaded with pieces of DLC, while often being massive in game as well like GT.

 @Meta-Gnostic  I consider Gran Turismo titles (and the plethora of games that use the same formula) freaks. Back in 97-98, GT pretty much re-wrote the book on how to develop a racing game, and many others have followed in GT's footsteps since then, or tried to. As important as Gran Turismo was for racing, it has to be said that it set a new standard that slowly but surely has diminished the racing genre to what it is today, where if your game isn't expensive, massive and overloaded with cars, tracks and customization, its a flop.

 @danielbirchal  Was referring to typical Day 1 DLC, not a season pass. Season pass is pure revenue. A single piece of DLC on launch day is more to do with trade-in disincentives. Season passes aren't for everyone though - its more those diehard fanboys who don't mind investing money, trust and blind faith. I've never stated that I like season passes - but I'll defend the purposes of DLC, and the rights of developers, and publishers to protect their content and their income (though obviously not at the expense of consumer rights) as long as I draw breath. =)

I agree with you about digital prices, but its complicated. Publishers and manufacturers like Sony and MS, especially Nintendo are afraid of undermining those retailers with cheaper digital copies, because they still need to sell physical copies, as well as consoles and peripherals. To date the only major multi-platform publisher to fully pledge abandoning physical retail is EA, though they have yet to follow through.

 @Lhomity  @PETERAKO Depends on the developer/publisher. Look at Gran Turismo, you got 1,000 cars and 73 tracks without having to pay extra for them. Series has always had lots of cars and tracks, and only increased a bit with each release (while also having an older release have more cars and tracks than a future release). WOW SOME PUBLISHERS RIP YOU OFF AND SOME DON'T. NOW YOU KNOW.

 @Lhomity  @PETERAKO

DLC has little to do with revenue????  At $50 how can you say something like that????? 

I won't complain to buy a greater game for a higher price if it all came entirely on disc. By selling HALF the game online (and this IS what they´re doing) the publisher only assures that I won't be able to sell HALF of my game and retrive HALF of my money if I don't like it or want to do so. If they want to stop second hand selling they should do BETTER GAMES, or at least release the DLC for free (not exacly free, included on the $60 game price like everything else). If someday in the future mine 360 die (after xbox live stop supporting the 360 like it did to the original xbox), I'll lost every game and DLC I bought online and won't be able to download it to a new 360 (flash drives won't help thanks to that f**g DRM thing).

Because of all this, the value (for the buyer) of a downloaded game is much lower than physical copy of the game (and the cost to the publisher is much lower, but not the selling price).

 @PETERAKO DLC on Day 1 has very little to do with revenue and more to do with incentive. Its meant to discourage Week 1 trade-ins, which for some games, number in the tens of thousands. By week 2, every traded-in copy that GameStop resell for $55 represents 1 new copy not chosen by a consumer. For anyone else, having options for DLC available for day 1 or day 7 makes very little difference. Either way you slice it, the DLC is an option only, and anyone who lacks the willpower to decide what pieces of DLC are worth buying on an individual basis, has far bigger problems.

If a publishers says "Here is Game $60. Here is more $XX.XX." Then that's exactly what it is. There's no magical measuring stick that says X and Y = "Full Game". If the game is $60 then that's the game, any additional content, whether its available on day 1, day 2, day 7, or day 32019, is exactly that: "Additional".

15 years ago, a typical racing game feature list looked like this:

10 cars, 6 tracks (possibly with reversals)

Championship mode, Single race mode, Split-screen 2-player, limited customization, (and if you're lucky) a time trial mode

Price: $50

Nowadays:

40+ cars, 15+ tracks (with reversals, day/night, and weather effects)

Deep robust career mode with RPG-ish elements, comprehensive customization of vehicles and other components, Championship mode, Single race mode, local and online multiplayer, (and if you're lucky) a track editor, a challenge mode and an in-game tutorial.

Price: $60

And that's not even touching whats in the DLC, let alone the obvious technological leaps...

 @Lhomity

firstly lets clear out that the problem is not with the DLC it self(which sometimes can be bitchy and sometimes can extend the game beautifully). its about the fact that its DAY-1. considering the great sales of Forza Horizon(how do i know? well, they keep making them), if the day-1 DLC had included in the final release of the game then the costs would be just a small piece in the FH pie and more than compensate for the development costs. costs of developement in games that are doomed to be successful and backed by multibillion dollar corporations is just a non existing reason to make day-1 DLC  

also one other thing to take into consideration is that we are talking about digital goods. development might cost money, but selling the goods is not like selling something physical. there is no store, no box, no disc, and holding it in the servers wont cost more as it already has. when you download a digital good the only resource you deplete is bandwidth, cause you get a digital autonomously made digital copy.

 @danielbirchal  @Flint247 I wish we could go back to when we had true gamers and not people like you. Have fun buying a crappy system next gen, getting nickel and dimed, having barely any new IPs, and playing Kinect games. Don't worry you'll get a few timed exclusive DLC and XBLA games.

 @Meta-Gnostic  @Flint247

Don?t worry kid! If your mom didn?t teach you yet that people not always agree with you, someday the world will. The later you learn the worst will be! But really, who cares? It?s your problem!

 @danielbirchal  @Flint247 WRONG. MS started DLC and has done it the worst as well as having so many anti-consumer policies. I would feel sorry for you but you are just incredibly ignorant. It's too bad there are people like you helping them destroy the gaming industry. Ruining it for everyone.

 @Meta-Gnostic  @Flint247

 No way! The only thing that can possible take me out of the 360 is the xbox 720! Either way Sony does exacly the same with their costumers!(if not worst!)