so, all that crazy japanese anime sh*t with things blowing up in dystopic environments is ok... like akira. that's far worse than a nuke
Bethesda removes option to blow up town, omits mention of potentially offensive weapon name.
Bethesda Softworks' localization team has undoubtedly been walking on eggshells with the Japanese release of the critical and commercial hit Fallout 3. Nuclear warfare remains a touchy subject in the island nation, which is the sole country that has been subjected to a nuclear attack. A postapocalyptic role-playing game where players wander irradiated wastelands and can atomize an entire town could be construed as culturally insensitive, to say the least.
Today, Bethesda issued a Japanese announcement saying that Fallout 3 has been tweaked for release in Japan. Translated by GameSpot, the announcement says the ability to destroy Megaton City with a nuclear weapon has been removed in the territory. According to the release, the non-player character Mr. Burke, who urges the character to detonate the bomb, has also been removed.
The game maker noted that it also changed the name of one of the weapons in the game. Presumably this is the "Fat Man" grenade launcher, which is named after the plutonium-based bomb which incinerated the city of Nagasaki on August 9, 1945. The game makes no mention of the first atomic bomb, the uranium-based "Little Boy," which was dropped on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945.
Bethesda also said certain human and ghoul animations have been deleted to conform with the standards of the Japanese game-rating body, Computer Entertainment Rating Organization (CERO). However, the release notes that the majority of animations, including those for insects, monsters, animals, and robots, remain unchanged from the US version, as does the amount of bleeding, number of corpses, and the gore bag.
For more on Fallout 3, check out GameSpot's previous coverage.
man i hate it when censors get rid of a part of a game because one or two or nobody get mad about it thats a huge pice of the game they got rid of. the Hiroshima nuke is in the past if you dont want people to get mad about it dont get mad if there is just one very small hint that may have something to do with the past
srry but ur not getting the pic Bethesda took out some parts of the game becuse is out of respect.see if u wher mexican or black or indian or what ever ur etc may be u would get offend 2 for some littil thing.so 4 one i see some good in it so think be 4 u point and talk pleas dnt be a hypocrite..
I dont think the atomic themes will offend the japanese gamers, just the japanese censors. I doubt there will be any gamers who experienced this atomic attacks first hand, or who know anybody closely who experienced those attacks.
This is so stupid.. the japenese deserved what they got. I mean the president kindve said surrender or face destruction. Look it up.. i think that if it offends teh japenese then they shouldnt play it at all...
They can't just say "either accept the game for what it is or don't buy the game" because they would lose all the money they could have made from the offended people.Either edit it and get the money,or not edit it and lose out on sales. i think they should create free DLC that the Japanese could download that would include the bomb,for people who aren't offended that much.That way,everyone could be happy.
this fits in with the japanese no apology denial of its wartime actions.and the consiquential end result.after all the games story is not based in japan anyway.
I think Bethesda should've released it as normal then offer a special patch that any player can run to change weapon names, eliminate options, etc. This'd satisfy the more nuclear-squeamish players. And while Beth's there, they can release a no-slavery, non-violent, no-blood, happy Tranquility Lane like-world patch, too! Really, did "post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland" not imply that there'd be nuclear weapons/devices? How about "Fallout"?
Just taking out the ability to blow up Megaton still does not get rid of the huge undertone this game runs heavily on. The game is set in post-apocalyptic United States because 200 years ago IT WAS BOMBED BY NUKES! Even in Japanese that should still be apparent and if the blowing up of Megaton is just the straw that breaks the camel's back, well then I really don't see how the game could be released at all in Japan. However, it would be interesting to play a version that had all Nuclear Warfare themes censored. The game would just be called Everything's Okay 3, and you would walk around in a post-happytime Washington DC that was irradiated by sprinkles.
I see two sides to this issue: 1.) freedom to put whatever in the game regardless of the possibility offense 2.) sensitivity to how the japanese feel about nuclear weapons. Now, I am trying to make a comprimise because I find merit in both opinions about the removal of the destruction of megaton. But on the other hand, this is a computer game, and even the most offensive things wind up in them. I mean, slavery is in the game. Child slavery? Child abductions? These all can open up some deep wounds for anybody, but this game is for adults, not children, and should be taken into context as an evil world with very little good. If Bethesda wants to leave out two things, the name "fatman" for its weapon and the destruction of megaton quest, then I don't think the game will suffer. I, for one, did not want to destroy megaton, and I think the mininukes are far too expensive for the amount of damage they make. I have yet to make up my mind for which arguement I would take sides with (to leave it unchanged or to modify it for Japan) I would have to hear how the japanese feel about it. Are there any japanese out there to respond?
People have got to learn to separate the media and especially games, from politics. Marilyn Manson doesn't change how he acts in different countries because people have paid to see him be him, not what he thinks they want him to be. I'm sure that there are many people in Japan who want to play the uncensored version. I almost speak from experience as I live in China. Buying legal Western games here is like trying to buy guns, and its not because of the Chinese government's restrictions, its because companies are unwilling to sell in China for some reason. It's things like this which inevitably lead to piracy, I cant walk down the street without being offered a fake game.
Deathlord, I guess you are very young. 60 years is a galactic milisecond. When you are older, you'll understand. There are people alive today who are suffering the effects of radiation poisoning from those bombs. It's perfectly correct that the game was edited slightly.
omg they need to get over themselves the nuking happed 60 years ago. And as for wars which you all are arguing about a WAR is not legal or illegal it is just there its a tool to take what you want from the other countries land resources what ever it is you want I AM FOR WAR to expand our borders and conqure those who oppose us. And another thing we shouldnt get involved at all in another countries wars its not our fight it just makes us look like a bunch of morons and gets us hated by whoever lost
I think it would be offensive to say "NUKE NUKE NUKE" by Americans in a video game, who blow up Japan with a nuke not to long ago. But, they might think its fun to have a city in the US get nuked too.
I don't know why the Western Market gives a damn about the Japanese market. Their time as the center of the video game universe is over. Bethesda is as stupid as Microsoft if they're going to put extra money into marketing over there when they've already gone quadruple platinum. It's like trying to feed a hardcore vegetarian steak. It's not going to happen no matter how delicious you make that steak look.
Bah,I hate videogames lets all just complety ignore fallout 3 or talk about the actual gameplay and rant about world politics instead,down with fallout 3 down with videogame forums let the political rants go no...jolly good show ol chap!!
@all Don't lower yourselves to Jack Thompson's level by comparing even the most bloody or offensive moments in gaming history to how much more damaging it is to bully a little kid for 10 seconds because hes too fat. This may be a bit different considering its direct connection to japanese history, but nukes are a global problem and are something this world got over the second we found out how dangerous and stupid it is to use them. Its a game, its entertainment, and has no connection to what happened 60 years ago on the shores of Japan. SILVERBOT
@frazzle00 The invasion of Iraq may have been illegal but I dont think Saddam Hussein what doing that good a job down there. Im glad he is gone.
@Stevedawgdx69 Firstly the Vietnamese would disagree with you. Over a million dead, in pursuit of what was rightfully theirs in the first place. Secondly the invasion of Iraq was illegal. The international team of investigators found no evidence of WMDs. America even now has not found any WMDs. That didn't stop them from destroying a sovereign country to the point of no return. To top it all off, Iraq has NEVER led an attack on America. So where is the legality in the Iraqi war? Please, put aside that massive American arrogance of yours, and realize the fact that America is not the only country in the world with rights to "live the dream" and enjoy freedom. The only reason there is any political commentary here is because people like jedioutkast and liam8257 keep insisting that Japan has no right to have its own classification system. Would the ESRB let Rape Fighter 1 and 2 ever see a proper release in America? I think not. So should the Japanese rail against the Americans for not having the same sensibilities? I mean honestly. How does this affect American gamers at all in the first place? If they want to be angry at anyone it should be at the Australians. It is because of their ratings board, that all references to real drugs have been removed from EVERY version of the game.
I find it offensive that people would both use this forum to compare world War II to the current Iraq War, and that people would make mention of past "war atrocities" for both the United States and Japan. This is not a Political Relations forum. In reference to Bethesda changing the game depending on release, it is their intellectual and creative property, and I feel if they desire to change it then it is ultimately their call. Also, who are we to be so insensitive that in our stubborn opinions, we care not about the feelings of one of our strongest allies. In reference to war atrocities, the US has nothing to say on real atrocity (holocaust anyone?). Besides, Japan had it's own agenda, and to suggest that they knew all of Hitler's actions is as ignorant as attending the Berlin Games under his regime. And the Iraq War is one of the most lawfully run wars in history. Just hope we don't abandon Israel now. Wanna see atrocity, look at Myanmar. S
F@ck the Japanese they did some bad crap in this world! Ask the Korean women they kept as comfort hosts too?! SUCH BullCRAP!! Funk them if they can't take a joke! There were some very evil folks incharge of Japan at one time who were in cahoots with Adalf Hitler WTF
@liam82517 Well the Vietnam war cost over a million North Vietnamese lives. Let's not even consider the casualties that are still steadily rising in Iraq. What right does America have to comment on anything related to wartime atrocities?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre Read that then tell me they have the right to complain about anything that happened to them at the time.
Dillinger - its dicey to draw a parallel between World War II and the Iraq war. While I do believe that compassion for the suffering of others plays a role in the nation's decision to go to war, we should remember that nations tend to take the plunge when they discern some threat to themselves...and I'm not sure that this should change. Yes, something should be done about the violence that takes place in the world, and yes, Iraq may eventually be better off with Sadaam gone. Does this mean that the U.S. should intervene militarily everywhere that we believe some wrong is done? I say no. For one thing, we don't have the resources to do it (and frankly, spending as much as the next 30 nations combined on the military is too much for me). Secondly that endorsement of unilateralism is a big part of the reason those who hate our country attacked us. Despite its size, strength, and achievements in advancing human rights, the United States is still only one nation and it does not have a monopoly on the knowledge of what is right and wrong.
i can fully sympathise with why the devs took it out. and they would not have taken it out unless concern was voiced from japan. need i remind the narrow minded americans saying "whats the big deal?" that japan is still affected by the nukes you wanted to "test". and the next war we have will be a nuclear warand will also be the last war since everyone will nuke everyone. they dont call it M.A.D for nothing you know.
1) We should remember that nobody is limiting the first amendment rights of developers (which in any case would not out of the country). Bethesda is willingly censoring themselves in order to increase its profits in Japan. 2) War is indeed hell. We must never, however, consider it an option to end a war by endorsing the wholesale slaughter of hundreds of thousands of civilians. Wars should and must be fought by soldiers with the least possible threat to the defenseless as possible.
the connection between the game and the event didnt cross my mind. i know i live in germany and games are edited just from the illegal swastika and that doesn't seem culturally offensive slaughtering german soldiers, its just a game, if anything i thought they would be happy that the scenario is on american ground, stupid to say but the payback idea i thought would be appealing. just play it its cool
Hmm...interesting. Usually it's the other way around, with US games getting "potentially offensive" content removed.
It's just a game! Why arise this overly sensitive subject? Just put the fatboy and nukes in there. I don't think Japan cares. We've been doing business with them for years and years.. Put it to rest and grow up.
dillinger737 Japan did not bring it on themselves. At the time the bombs were dropped the war in Europe was coming to a close, so other nations were starting to divert attention over to the pacific to end that conflict sooner (at that point it had been predominately Britain and the U.S.). These other countries included communist Russia, and the U.S. being under the belief of "Democracy; good, Communism; the spawn of the devil and all that is evil" didn't like this. In the end they decided that the best way to end the conflict quickly (mostly to show they didn't need help from "those damn Reds") was to drop two atomic bombs on Japan. There are those who try to justify the use of the bombs in saying that it was retaliation against Pearl Harbour, but where as Pearl Harbour was a Naval Base the bombs were dropped on populated civilian centers. So in saying that they brought it on themselves your pretty much saying they deserved it.
So what! Fallout 3 is not fun without its nukes. Fallout 3 is the best game that ever came out this year.
I watch raw anime and I never knew that this was still a sensitive topic in Japan. I knew they had memorials but thats about it. You learn something everyday.
@dillinger737 Putting the political arguments aside and getting back to the original point at hand, Japan is entitled to its own rating system, just like every other country in the world. The edits made to their version of Fallout 3 are restricted to them only, and do not effect anyone else. So what's the big deal? Why are there people here making a big fuss about Japan not wanting to let Japanese players have the opportunity to nuke Megaton? There are plenty of hentai games in Japan that would never make it past the US censors. To each his own. It's as simple as that.
Ok yes Saddam was a Muslim I misstated but he was far from radical in fact he was only Muslim really by default but it's ok I'm not getting into logistics. Anyhow, I'll not argue this point anymore frazzle. All you're doing is brining up things that I didn't clarify fully enough to make bullet proof and that would take a book. All I'm doing is making points you don't believe. We'll agree to disagree. Everybody is entitled to his own opinion and we need not like that of the other. Time will tell who is right and when there is another war I'll be signing on the dotted line for Triple Canopy, Blackwater, or whoever happens to be paying the highest amount to do the job I want to do.
@peterson21128 I have no intention of changing your mind. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of your views. And we do agree upon 1 thing; Fallout 3 is great :D.
@frazzle00 We have argued this point to death and neather side is going to change their side on the matter, we both have diffrent veiws on the subject and i cant respect that, I also see no point in debating this any further. Im now off to play fallout and shoot super mutants with fatboys.
@ZJM9 So you were ok with the Space Invaders display in Leipzig? You were not one of the many Americans who ranted about how it was "inappropriate", "too soon", and "disgusting"? You also wouldn't mind Namco or Capcom or even a Middle Eastern developer make a game that lets you fly planes into buildings? After all we do have to set aside our differences and have fun. How 'bout it?
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