Civilization V Mac-bound this holiday

@robin1232 Awesome. I tried the demo version with Boot Camp and I just played in strategic view the whole time without too much trouble! I only have 10.5 so maybe its time to upgrade.

@mofeta Latest news, 10.6.5 now has faster OpenGL performance, so there might be some hope for you.

@robin1232 Noooooooooo! Has the day finally come when I need to update my computer? Maybe they'll lower the graphic needs for the Mac version...

They need to change the release date... it says Q4 for 2011 when it's actually this year

@robin1232 Where did you ever hear that Macs can't get viruses? Most likely from Apple in one of their ads, but I assure you that Macs can and will get viruses. It isn't as common as it is on Windows, but they are there. PCWorld had a whole article about them and interviewed a famous hacker who was part of some large scandel. He himself said that it isn't hard at all to make new viruses for Macs; it just isn't worth their time since there are so many fewer Macs out there than PCs. The main reason people think you can't get them on Macs is because Apple doesn't have any way of letting you know you would have them. They don't have the anti virus software for Mac OSs like there is on Windows. Yes it isn't as needed, but that doesn't make them impervious. Anything electronic device can get a virus in one form or another, it just isn't as common.

@mofeta Apple's OpenGL performance is much worse than on Windows, if you can't run the Windows version you will definitely not be able to run the Mac version.

@Toysoldier34 You can't get viruses on a Mac, there's a couple of trojans (you need to give them your password) but no viruses yet. However, Apple sucks with security (not IE, but Safari is the webbrowser with the worst security) so it'll only be a matter of time.

@baystatethrashr You still have to worry about viruses, they just don't give you any way of doing so. Yes, Macs don't have as many ways to get viruses but it is pure ignorance to think that Macs are impervious to them. Because they really aren't. With smaller computers in the netbooks to lower end laptops there isn't a huge differance between Macs and PCs. In that range it really is preferance, but when you get into the higher end computers like gaming computer the price rapidly increases for Macs and thats where it isn't smart to buy a Mac. A Mac is good as long as you aren't paying more than $2,000 and thats pushing it.

@Toysoldier34 trust me bro, you get what you pay for with a mac, What's "under the hood" doesnt count. macs run much better and use their processing power much more efficiently than PCs. My quadcore PC is slower than my dual core mac. Sure Macs are pricey but you get what you pay for in the overall package. It's got an incredibly sleek well made design. I love carrying around an aluminum macbook over my crap colored plastic sony vaio. And with the way things are going for Apple, the only people that are going to have PCs are the people that can't afford a mac and the people too stubborn to switch over. oh i forgot to mention that not having to worry about viruses, trojans, spyware, malware, or blue screens is amazing

@Gelugon_baat [QUOTE="Gelugon_baat"]Having an opinion about others' opinion and so on does not have to include pejoratives, comparisons/analogies to otherwise unclean things and/or adjectives that may not be appropriate. If an opinion still has these anyway, then it is one tainted with prejudice and bellicose - it is hardly "benign".[/QUOTE]Benignancy is highly subjective. The perspective I was thinking of was Gamespot's, which as far as I know, would not consider those posts to be outside the TOS, and thus not harmful. The point of my previous comment anyway, was that for all either of us know, there may even be people deeply offended by the idea that anyone might like macs, or some such nonsense. You have to draw a reasonable line as to what stands as inoffensive. Otherwise no one can say anything for fear of angering those they disagree with. Besides, it has been a good thing to try and protect one's self from information or opinions (no matter how they are presented). Ever.

@TheMonSean I'm curious about the system specs too, as I have boot camp, but for the Windows version my system isn't good enough

@Gelugon_baat [QUOTE="Gelugon_baat"]Calling die-hard Apple consumers "blind" is not polite, so is calling them "lazy".[/QUOTE]If people are allowed their own opinion about macs, then they're also allowed their own opinion of mac users, especially as there's no trolling or flaming going on here, just overly sensitive reactions to benign remarks about platform preference. ...And in that regard, no one's mind can be changed by mere words. If, for example, you like PCs and dislike macs, it's probably because you have a wealth of what you consider to be evidence built up over a decent amount of time. This person's alleged evidence won't disappear because of the analysis of a comment posted for some civ5 news.

@Gelugon_baat These ads such as the Mac vs PC ads are just slander and poor business practices. Even though it may be other people saying these things, it is still Apple who makes the ads to begin with so they endorse the message they say and so do their products. Those ads have Steve Jobs ego all over them. Microsoft doesn't trash Macs in order to get sales in their big campaigns because they are better than that. Though note I am talking about their Windows branch, nothing I say reflects how I feel about their Xbox 360 department which often times feels like it is run by Apple the way they do business. You can't say that I should just blame the ads and feel no ill will towards what they campaign for, because that is the exact purpose of them.

@Gelugon_baat I do understand where you are coming from. I'm not trying to be so stubborn on the subject but there just isn't much to say otherwise. Though one big reason why Macs aren't for games is the price. Like I said you can buy a PC at Best Buy for under $2,000 and it can play every game out there, not at maxed out settings but it can play it. While you need to spend upwards of $3,000 to get a sufficient gaming capable Mac. If someone's true interest is gaming then the Mac really isn't the way to go, that would be a very poor choice for them. They would be spending much more than they need and have a small selection to choose from. People that defend my points usually come up with similar counter points as you have. There aren't very solid reasoning behind purchasing Macs other than people just wanting too, and with how much they cost you would think people would put a little more thought into how they throw their money away. iPods are the best MP3 device out there essentially hands down, but you can get a very good 8GB MP3 player that doesn't have anything wrong with it for a fraction of the price of the Apple equivalent. I know the iPod is better but is it really $200+ better? That is what people need to think about before just throwing their money at Steve Jobs.

@Gelugon_baat There is no way so you could have lots of problems but as long as Apple tells you that you don't you are golden right? I have read an interview with a famous hacker from PCWorld where he said it is very easy to make viruses for Macs but there is only a fraction of Macs out there compared to the number of PCs so it isn't worth while to make them there. So it is Macs own downfall that becomes their selling point. Apple does very little towards the development of security for their systems compared to other OS creators. Microsoft does put the most resources into fighting viruses though it may not seem like they do the most, it is because they have much more to deal with. To further answer your first statement, I am nobody to tell someone their purchase of a Mac could be a dumb choice. If they can fully explain to me and they have good reasons for it then sure, not my place. I can say whatever I want however about someone who just blindly buys up whatever Apple wants to feed them. If they don't fully understand what the Mac entails and just buy it because they saw them from ads or heard from a friend to get one then there is no good reason other than being lazy. I don't know the current price but a 32GB was $300 and a 64GB was $400. Tell me why the technology to add 32GB is worth $100? The answer: because Apple tells us it is. Please excuse my rant.

@Gelugon_baat The biggest claim people use for justifying a Mac is its multimedia options. Which they are then referring to iTunes, Adobe programs like Photoshop, and the video editing software as the big draw points. The first two are definitely on PC, the video editing program is very good I can't deny but it can be used on PCs through various means, I haven't checked recently if there are open versions you can buy like the way iTunes is but I know there are other methods too. Macs are good machines, but it is their price and what you are actually getting that is very poor. The only big point the Apple "experts" could come up with is the virus issue. They claim Macs can't get viruses, which is very false and never should be believed. Question to Mac users, if you had a virus other than basic slow downs and big problems how would you know you have the viruses? What program do Macs use to let you know?

@Gelugon_baat The only likeness between the Mythbusters and Steve Jobs I made is that they both know how to polish a turd. I made no reference towards either of their computer preferences. I know what you are saying and that is how people justify paying substantially more for the hardware than they are getting. Macs have an aura too them as do iPods and other products by Apple because that is their big selling point. They have created this sense of Apple products being advanced and magical. That comes straight from Steve Jobs himself who infers in most press conferences that his products are gifts from a god. You want a good example of what software isn't on Macs... look around you, gaming. Valve's big push to put their games on Macs and Steams push towards more markets is the only thing as of recently that shows Macs can be used for gaming. Though there is a decent selection of top games for Macs the selection is still limited. The hardware specs I mentioned about prices is true, I asked a Apple store "expert" about it and he played dumb to it all. I had used one of their high end Macs that was just under $4,000 to pull up pages for sites to buy either the part that was inside that computer of parts that were the PC equivalent. Mine came up to a combined total of just over $2,000. He came up with garbage about the Mac OS being very user friendly and the hard work that goes into each machine they make.

great although I don't know if this is linked to this I have enormous loading times between each turn playing civ5 on windows7 on my Imac hopefully I'll buy this version and get rid of the one I already have

Great! My PC's not good enough to play civ 5, hopefully my mac is. *crosses fingers*

busy pwning in SC2. You'll have to wait

There's only one more game series away from me getting a Mac. And that's GTA. As soon as that (4 included) goes on there, my pc will be thrown out the window and I will become Mactarded.

Cool, now all eight Mac users get to play it. :roll:

Where is my hotseat and working LAN play?

Thank god... dying to play it.

Where's my map editor?!!!

Why is it that whenever Mac is mentioned in any article, some nerd with a hard on for Bill Gates has to come on here and say why PCs are great. I love PCs as much as the next guy, but let people buy what they feel like buying, no one's asking for a fight.

I just liked basically everyone on this page because i'm so happy :)

yay, an announcement finally :)

Yay for cross-platform support. Boo for no full cross-platform support. Btw, why are Mac users to be congratulated now?

I didn't realise they hadn't release a MAC version well gratz to MAC owners

@baystatethrashr You can say whatever you want. Macs are very over priced. Steve Jobs sees everything he makes as a miricle product and charges for them even though they aren't worth it. It is this that makes people think Macs are great when really there is nothing special. My friends bought a Mac for just under $3,000. I built my PC and got my entire set up for just under $2,000 and hands down my PC will run circles around his expensive white box. My PC can run his Mac game and my PC games at higher settings and still have extra power to let me come on here and let you all know you are being ripped off. It is fun to go into an Apple store and stump their "experts" about why you should by a Mac over a PC. The only thing that is slightly valid is them having better programs but in case everyone isn't aware a lot of those programs are now on PCs, and PCs have tons of other programs to choose from since Windows is open for anyone to make anything. A $3,000 Mac has about $1,500 worth of hardware inside. Please can some Mac fanboy tell me why the Macs OS and "exclusive" programs are worth the other $1,500? We have all heard the expression you can't polish a turd. Mythbusters proved it wrong, too bad they didn't realize Apple has been proving it to us for years now.

Grats to MAC users , great game for you!

@Neyowolf: I think you mean the opposite. Macs are great... if you don't know anything about computers.

I'll consider buying it, but in general, I hate the wait time of turn based strategy, it drives me nuts.

and console bound.... yes you know you want to

Aspyr Media.... :D

Aspyr Media.... :D

Now Mac users will know the joy of being Computer gamers :P.

I am really happy now

Well Mac users are getting something good

Okay, I PLAY GAMES ON MAC! They are nice yeah! I like to use to them to produce music. Great machines with great software. Not like Windows...

We all knew it was going to happen, all Civ games have made it to the Mac platform at some point.

Merry Christmas... Mac users are in for a real treat.

Sweet! another reason to throw my POS PC out my window in favor of my macbook pro

great! let the mac players have a taste how buggy a windows game can be....

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I think the real question is, will it support cross-platform multiplayer?

who plays games on Macs? ...I had to.