@lithus: Get a life man! I couldn't even read all your babbling. It sounded like an old obama speech. You have the worst case of PC envy I have ever seen. "consoles exceeded pc" are you that blind? I own every console system and not a one of them even comes close, I mean not even in the same galaxy as my PC. And for your trade-in theory, I never sell or trade the games I buy. You see unlike console gamers, the pc community can and does mod games. So you can load in an old game and mod it, replay for a different experience and so on and so forth. So if all you do (well all you can do) is buy and play then trade in your games then I would suggest renting the games. That way you can upgrade your console.... Wait you cant do that, sorry man I forgot, consoles cant be turned into a$$ kicking machines like PC's can.
Publisher says fan outcry following cancellation of Protector Trials, Minerva's Den, patch for Windows edition caused studio to change stance.
Earlier this month, PC purchasers of BioShock 2 were offered a dose of bad news, as 2K Games said in an official forum post that it would no longer support the game on Windows platforms. Specifically, though the Protector Trials and Minerva's Den had been given a release date on consoles, the add-on packs would not be coming to the PC, nor would a planned patch.
It hasn't taken long for 2K Games to reverse its stance on bringing the add-on content to its PC customers. Today, 2K Games' senior manager of interactive marketing, Elizabeth Tobey, revealed on the company's official message boards that development had resumed on the PC patch, as well as the Protector Trials and Minerva's Den DLC packs.
"When we announced that Protector Trials and Minerva's Den would not be coming out for the PC due to technical and timing issues, we received a lot of feedback (much of it understandably expressing disappointment and anger) about our decision," Tobey wrote.
"In terms of the patch and the Protector Trials, we had a working build but there were bugs in the code that would trigger problems with the game during specific situations, and we were not happy enough with the status of the build to release it for certification with Microsoft," she continued. However, as the team needed to move on to new projects, the decision was made to abandon development.
After fan outcry, however, 2K reconsidered its decision, she said, and will be submitting the PC patch and Protector Trials to Microsoft for certification in December. When it is released shortly thereafter, Tobey confirmed that updates will be free. Unfortunately, PC gamers will have to wait longer for Minerva's Den, with Tobey noting that it "needed significantly more dev time."
For more on BioShock 2, check out GameSpot's hands-on with the Protector Trials mode and a trailer for Minerva's Den, below.
@StarWatchers: Your comment on "PC's vs Consoles" was articulate and lengthly. Kind of like a politician, there was almost no truth to any of it despite how nice it sounded. Nice to see it didn't get modded ;) No ones debating where consoles came from and how they got there. What I do claim is that consoles exceeded it's predecessor (PC), in so many ways. ................................And your argument on trade-in's is paranoid at best (Anti-capitolism-Liberal-rhetoric). Why would you not?I know I'd rather get $15-$25 back from a game I completed, than nothing at all. And DLC? You pay for it too,they're called Expansion Packs..............................This next quote is my favorite, cause it's the biggest load of BS I've yet to come across by someone who really means it. "The PC Community is a group of people who love games." Reallyyy? lol, soo what you're saying is console gamers..."don't"...love games? TF2 updates? lol, yeah, I forgot about that game, since it literally took a DECADE to come out on the PC. Kinda lost its charm on the console since we were already ahead of the FPS curve with CoD and Halo . .........................And if we're gonna go "There", DLC. Why is it that most DLC on both PC and Consoles aren't always making it to the PC? Why is it that consoles are getting all the exclusives and the PC isn't? lol I mean look at Bioshock 2, you guys weren't even going to get Minervas Den til enough of you cried about it. (CONTINUED)
(Continued) And lastly, you're argument about online console gamers being less mature, or as you put it "kiddies" was almost as dumb as the first quote above. Are you seriously telling me, there are no kids playing PC games? Really? You're seriously going with that elitest BS garbage?! ....................................................................................................I've been playing online PC games since 1996. Warcraft, Command and Conquer, Half-life, Duke Nukem 3D and Unreal. And I can tell you that there were just as many kiddies and jerks playing those games online as any console game. So you can put that baby to bed. So for all you PC purists out there that want to wave your flags, and hold onto the past. Ask yourself just one question. "Has the PC lost gaming momentum in the past 15 years?". While you're pondering that, lemme know how Diablo 3 is, if it ever comes out this decade. ;)
@Lithus I own an xbox 360 to be fair.. I have admired PC gaming for years and to be honest everything you love about consoles actually was born from the PC community.. you can't sell the DLC, why would I want to trade in my games and fed the dirty coporate scumbags who gives nothing back to the gaming community.. that's the difference between us.. The PC community is a group of people who love games.. The console community is all about individuality that's why you never got the TF2 updates because you are all out for yourselfs. The reason why im backing the PC is because im in the process of building a new gaming rig so that I can get away from all the chavs and kiddies who populate online areas associated with console gaming. I quote "But I know this: The PC will always be the place that drives innovation. The PC is the place where great game developers are born, even-and maybe especially-where great console game developers are born. Halo, Mass Effect, Call of Duty?PC developers first. And it's on the PC where the leading-edge ideas form." But here's something you can take the bank: If you want to know the future of gaming, buy a PC. And pay attention. Because above all, that thing on your desk is a crystal ball." Ken Levine is the co-founder, President and Creative Director of Irrational Games. He led the creation of the multi-million unit selling, multiple game-of-the year award-winning title BioShock.
@StarWatchers: wow, really? The first thing out of your mouth is a childish insult. And you want to be taken seriously? (Def a PC gamer). I could systematically tear apart your whole argument. Because none of it is even remotely true. What's the point...can't reason with the unreasonable. Especially someone who opens up his comment like a whiny child. FYI, I may have paid for this DLC, but I atleast got to trade in BS2 when I was done with it. You can't trade in PC games.
Don't make the mistake Bioware has made over the last couple of months with Awakening, Witch Hunt, and some of their other DLC's. As a huge fan of Bioware games the last expansion and DLC packs for Dragon Age Origins have not set well with me and (with the help of a $60 dollar price tag) I have completely put Dragon Age 2 in the "No" category for pre-order/purchase until we get a GOTY edition. You have done really well with Borderlands and I did enjoy Bioshock 2 (much more then Bioshock) and am looking forward to those DLC's. In fact, Borderlands has taken over as my number one way to spend my free time. Which put reading in the number two position. Please look at what you have done with Borderlands and use that as an example for your future. It has to be the best supported PC game out there and the most fun game I have purchased in years. Its the reason you aren't on my sh*t list like almost every developer out there.....come to think of it, there isn't really any exciting games coming out for a while. Although, I do have hope for Star Wars Old Republic, Rage, and Brink.
This isn't about platform wars here. This is about supporting the product properly for the platforms it's on, making a game for two different consoles or PC and than saying that one or two of them will be better because they aren't supporting the other, isn't kosher. If they had said that they weren't going to release downloadable content for the console version I would have been just as pissed even though I avoid console versions if at all possible. I do have to say though that I was upset at 2K games for improper support, at least they've changed that. Hopefully a public outcry won't be necessary next time, or for any other companies.
Word of advice to 2k: If you don't feel like "supporting" the games you sell to people on PC in the future, don't make PC games period. You only get one free pass, and you just used it.
These news just brought the long-lost smile back to my face :) Thank you 2K for reconsidering your PC fans.
lol I completed this DLC over a month ago on my 360. But it's good that the PC people will finally get to play it...someday. ;) Eventually, not just DLC, but PC gamers will have to make a stink just to get any game to come out for the PC that already hit consoles....................I remember back some 10-15 years ago, consoles had to wait for dumbed down PC ports. No more. The Wind is blowing the other way now.
"would not be coming out for the PC due to technical and timing issues" I may be wrong, but aren't games developed on a PC? Isn't it easier to code for the PC? Yes, you need to develop for a huge amount of specs, but I think that it shouldn't be so hard. But I may be wrong.
I just watched the trailer above for Menervas den and it looks like a crib off System Shock 2 IMO. System Shock 2 > Bioshock 1 & 2.
I don't understand people that are dogging what they are doing. I mean, they're putting this out on our console, even though they weren't going to before because of fan backlash. They are listening to their fans, and people still get upset. I believe this is part of the reason the console community looks so good to devs because they don't have to worry about us whiny pc gamers. They can't please us so why try. I don't want them to see that.
Free DLC is good but DLC is becoming a excuse to release things that should have been with the game if released within a month.
Regardless whether this was a marketing or PR ploy or whatever (which I seriously doubt), it should never have taken fan backlash for 2K to decide to support the PC to begin with. I never planned on playing through the DLC myself, but their disregard for PC users is disappointing all the same. Food for thought in my eyes.
Well, duh. I mean, how insulting is exclusive DLC in the first place, let alone DLC that only excludes one platform? Worst part is they almost never let you know it'll be exclusive to a platform until it's too late and you've already bought it. Good to see another game company is rectifying mistakes. Maybe this is the beginning of more fan input?
They actually listen to us? :O Wow, 2K Marin, you guys really went up on my consideration, thumbs up for you.
"Fan outcry caused studio to change stance"? We must let all gamers know! We DO have the power! Huzzah!
Good move! If you leave the PC platform out, the fans will leave your products behind. I don't know why developers think the PC platform is dying because it is not, only changing up the format a bit.
I cant see how it would need more dev time since most of the work for these DLC is done on PC anyway. Would it be wrong to assume that more work would be needed on the console versions after the work had been done on PC?
I enjoyed Bioshock 2 but honestly, is anyone even still playing this game? I think this totally missed its window.
wow that's funny because with all these games coming out or have already came out I'm not gonna get this DLC after all! 2K can suck it for treating PC gamers like this
I was right not to buy Bioshock, they rent games, they do not sell them. Only losers with big mouth, buy anything and give high ratings. DO NOT BUY GAMES WITH ACTIVATIONS. They are against common sense.
PC gaming dead? I think not.
I am quite pleased to hear this as I would like to get back into the game, but found no reason to after finishing the story. This will add some replayability, at least for a little while.
this is why i give respect and recognition to 2k games as they try whatever it takes to please the gaming community, especially the PC one. Way to go 2K!!
This was probably planned all along. They want to make it look like they are throwing us a bone and "Being nice". The official forums for Bioshock 2 are a mess. Elizabeth lies, people post pleas for fair treatment, the cycle of drama and anger continues...it's sad, really. I uninstalled the game 3 months ago. The lack of support and the attitude of 2K just ruined it for me.
Proof that neither development teams (nor marketing teams) have a full grasp on the community and their desires. If companies would communicate more with their target audience, this would be easily avoided.
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