QuakeCon 2008: Doom 4 reannounced, Rage detailed

Keynote address sees horror game "officially" revealed...again; Carmack confirms open-world driving game too big for two Xbox 360 discs, prompting lower-grade graphics; no Quake 5 in the works.

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John Carmack's QuakeCon 2008 keynote Speech.

DALLAS--Remember when id Software sent out an international press release on May 4 titled "The Ultimate Battle Against Evil Continues in Doom 4"? That wasn't the official announcement of the upcoming game, according to Todd Hollenshead, CEO of developer id Software. ''I guess it wasn't officially announced, but it was well known," he told attendees for tonight's opening keynote address at the 2008 QuakeCon Convention. "So for you here at QuakeCon, we're officially announcing the next Doom game," he declared to some befuddlement.

Though long on public-relations confusion, tonight's QuakeCon opening events were short on news bombshells. However, the proceedings were not without a few tender info-morsels for on-hand id fans to chew on, including a lengthy (and highly technical) keynote address from id technical director and cofounder John Carmack. The conference opened with executive producer Marty Stratton as he talked even more about Quake Live, the upcoming free, browser-based remake of Quake III Arena.

QuakeCon 2008

Check out the new and improved Rage trailer.

The Quake Live closed beta test is current being played by about 50,000 players, with a few thousand added each week. Soon, id is planning to open the beta completely, but it did not specify a time frame. Shortly before the E3 Media & Business Summit, GameSpot spoke with Carmack about Quake Live and followed up today with Stratton for the latest on the project.

A major focus for id over the past few years has been a shift toward mobile gaming. Tonight, id Mobile president Katherine Anna Kang was happy to show off a brief trailer of the Wolfenstein role-playing game, as well as a teaser image of the Doom II RPG. Carmack has long said that the mobile platform is well suited for turn-based role-playing action and reiterated id's intention to develop games for Apple's ubiquitous iPhone. Carmack said that the platform was "more powerful than the DS and PSP combined" and that two projects are currently being considered for the App Store.

Highway maintenance is lacking in Rage's post-apocalyptic hellscape.

The crowd worked itself into a frenzy over the most anticipated game of QuakeCon, the recently previewed Rage. An extended version of the game's E3 trailer put a larger emphasis on the postapocalyptic actioner's Road Warrior-esque driving elements, showing several heavily armed dune buggies battling it out with mounted machine guns on a race track.

As the first game developed using id Tech 5, id's new in-house development engine, Rage will run at 60 frames per second and will feature a massive open world, thanks to id's new megatexturing technology. There's so much world in the multiplatform game, in fact, that the content will not fit onto two Xbox 360 discs--some level of graphical fidelity will have to be sacrificed. Carmack said a three-disc version is simply not cost effective in terms of materials and manufacturing expenses, which are compounded by a hefty disc fee levied by Microsoft.

By contrast, all of Rage's content will fit onto just one of the high-capacity Blu-ray discs used by the PlayStation 3. However, Carmack shut down many Sony loyalists' blooming braggadocio by saying that while the Blu-ray disc is clearly his preferred medium, the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for developers.

One can only wonder how much content Doom 4 will feature, considering it will apply "three times as much horsepower as Rage," according to Carmack. But while the game will curiously run at only 30 frames a second, Carmack's goal is to raise the bar for gaming visuals to something "no one has ever seen before." Doom 4 will be released, like all id titles, "when it's ready," and it currently has no publisher attached to it.

Unfortunately, tonight's QuakeCon event had some bad news for fans of its titular series. Carmack confirmed to the crowd that no proper Quake sequel is currently in the works. The last installments in the series were 2005's Quake 4 (PC, 360) and Enemy Territory: Quake wars, released for the PC in 2007 and for the Xbox 360 and PS3 this past May.

Another popular topic at QuakeCon 2008 was the recent news that Electronic Arts would publish Rage. The deal marked a departure for id, which had a long-standing exclusive partnership with Activision, which is still publishing the forthcoming Wolfenstein. Carmack said he shopped Rage to a number of publishers, including Sega and THQ, three different times at different stages of development. Id received several offers but decided to continue to self-fund Rage before inking a final deal. At a meeting with EA CEO John Riccitiello, the exec made several insightful "design level" comments about Rage, impressing Carmack. Soon after, id finalized a one-game publishing deal with EA to distribute and market Rage under its EA Partners program

After fielding several technical questions from the crowd and discussing his accident-plagued Armadillo Aerospace company, Carmack ended the QuakeCon keynote address to applause from adoring fans--at least those who managed to pry themselves away from the 24-hour-a-day LAN party on the show floor.

384 Comments

  • doktron

    Posted Apr 1, 2009 5:09 am PT

    Make it for the PC 1st,then port it over to the xbox later.We all know the PC is really the superior platform.And I m sure it will easily fit on most PC harddrives, since we now have 2Tb drives available(by the time the game is ready maybe 5 Tb drives)

  • Kenji_Masamune

    Posted Jan 20, 2009 8:34 am PT

    I guess from a dev standpoint out of the 3 systems the 360 is better in the sense that it's pretty much a dell computer put into a RROD crapbox. Just google and you'll find a couple programs to be able to run 360 games on your PC. Whereas Sony's major problem with all of their systems has been they don't use conventional hardware nor software (the whining about programing for the PS2 was epic). Still though because M$ has a weird multi-disk fee means that they will have to gimpify this game for the 360.. and that's just RROD lawlz all over the place.

  • mcafeevsd

    Posted Dec 6, 2008 6:05 am PT

    Make it for the PS3 alsooooooooooo, that's what the core Sci/Fi Horror use anyways, dont be stupid.

  • soulreaper0808

    Posted Dec 5, 2008 10:35 am PT

    sweet!! i loved all the other dooms they've had, i hope this one is just as great! hopefully more scary dark suprised to attack you!!!!!!!!

  • naryanrobinson

    Posted Dec 4, 2008 11:33 am PT

    it's not that hard to understand. obviously the 360 is going to be a superior development tool, it's compatible with everything windows already. and seeing as all the design work is done on pc's it's not hard to work out why. PS3, while much more powerful, requires a completely different approach.

  • RavenSoS

    Posted Nov 12, 2008 9:08 pm PT

    It was already known the eventually the increasing data sizes of videogames would be too much for a single DVD to handle. It should come as no surprise that it would happen during this generation. Though I do wonder about Carmack's comment about the 360 being a superior piece of hardware for developers. By technical specifications, the PS3 is superior in POTENTIAL performance compared to the 360. I think what Carmack was getting at is, and this has been seen in several other titles to date, the 360 architecture is simply easier for developers to make a game for. From what I understand the PS3 is very complex and making a game for it is an entirely different beast compared to the 360 which, once again as I understand, is very similar to develop for compared to earlier consoles. This basically allows developers to create games the way they always have just with a much greater amount of hardware resources than previous consoles. The PS3 seems to force some developers to do things differently. Some have been forced to come up with new methods to take advantage of a hardware type that they've only had, at best, 3 years of experience on. This could be wrong but everything I've ever read about development between the two systems points to this. It would also make alot of sense considering that, again, the PS3 is superior by pure technical specs. Sony may have basically put developers into a position where yes, they do have a bit more to work with, but on the flip side they have a more difficult time accessing the raw power.

  • king_loei

    Posted Nov 3, 2008 12:37 pm PT

    @Interpolation7; Some of us can't actually afford PC's that can play games like the upcoming Doom 4, or say Far Cry 2 now. Hell, I can't play ANY of the newer games on my PC. It's just cheaper to go for the console. Besides, it's not like there's THAT much difference between games that play on multiple systems (aside from some exceptions; i.e. Enemy Territory, Quake 4...). So you can say that 'PC's smoked their graphical standards two years ago', but it's not really true unless playing on a high end machine. HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN FAR CRY 2 ON A CONSOLE?!?! That pretty much smokes most games for PC.

  • tmorud

    Posted Oct 17, 2008 6:43 pm PT

    cool doom 4 i hope its gonna be better then doom 3

  • interpolation7

    Posted Oct 15, 2008 6:05 am PT

    Whats all this XBOX360 vs PS3 bantering about? Everyone knows PC's smoked their graphical standards 2 years ago. As for myself im on a XBOX 1080 right now and loving it.

  • Beetroot502

    Posted Oct 2, 2008 7:54 am PT

    "Carmack shut down many Sony loyalists' blooming braggadocio by saying that while the Blu-ray disc is clearly his preferred medium, the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for developers."

    Enough said. 360 power > Ps3. PS3 disc space > 360.

  • _Rikash_

    Posted Sep 22, 2008 7:48 pm PT

    'cos I'm to damn lazy to trawl the 373 other comments to find people who're ranting about the 360 being more powerful, Imma adress this to ALL of you.

    Rage not fitting on a 360 disc means the 360 storage is inferior. K?
    If you EVER bothered to check the PS3 - 360 tech stats in an UNbiased, way, you could see that the PS3 has stronger hardware, meaning it can outlast the 360. The same with happened between Xbox and PS2, the Xbox had superior hardware, so later games ran smoother on it.

    This doesn't mean the PS3 is a better console. If no good games are released for PS3, it won't matter who's machine is more powerful.

  • maybeehe GameSpot staff member

    Posted Sep 4, 2008 9:13 pm PT

    test
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  • psychot1c

    Posted Aug 20, 2008 10:05 am PT

    Doom has always been id's premiere singleplayer game, so I expect good things. Just have to be patient, if I remember correctly D3 took 3 years to make so it won't be out for xmas for some time still.

  • grootelaar

    Posted Aug 16, 2008 12:10 pm PT

    what date those it begin

  • grootelaar

    Posted Aug 16, 2008 12:10 pm PT

    what date those it begin

  • shade6

    Posted Aug 15, 2008 4:34 pm PT

    Im looking foreward to doom4 and wolfenstien i think both titles will be a lot of fun

  • ecs33

    Posted Aug 14, 2008 1:42 pm PT

    I can't wait to see what Doom is going to look like. Given ID's track record for crappy plots, I can't say for sure if this or Doom will be games with alot of depth. Although, the theme for this game is definitely a good start. I can't wait to see what ID does with it. Hopefully they learned their lesson from Doom 3 and won't F it up.

  • zorlaczerohero

    Posted Aug 12, 2008 2:06 pm PT

    Sykalob said "i believe that there will be bigger DVDs in the future"

    Huh? They are magically going to make them triple layer? What? Please explain, because at the moment you are looking like a prize idiot and giving the 360 owners who actually have a clue a bad name...... BTW they did have bigger DVD's called HD-DVD, google it.....

  • sykalob

    Posted Aug 10, 2008 1:14 pm PT

    whatever may happen the 360 still superior gaming machine compared to the ps3 , i believe that there will be bigger DVDs in the future ..and a firmware update to the 360.

  • ps3thabest

    Posted Aug 10, 2008 12:12 pm PT

    fatcat13sep what? did you see ps3's lineup, come on,ps3 in 3rd place is just a bogus thing to say.


    @Adumboy-you made somewhat of a point things do progress,but the dvd holds up to 9GB, and blueray holds up 50GB, and it will be here for a long time. and if ps3 did'nt have the bulit in blueray player i would still buy one.
    P.S. every ps3 sold is every bluray sold.


    @xXrebel666Xx- i agree, i can't see 360 beating ps3 with the fantastic lineup coming out.

  • Adumboy

    Posted Aug 10, 2008 8:23 am PT

    ok, for those of you saying how weak the 360 disc space is are idiots, DVD's have been around a long time so they are by no means weak, Blu-Ray is a new technology just like DVD's once where so before you call the 360's Disc space weak remember that it is an older technology and things progress. DVD's will still sell strong for a few more years because of the cost of them and alot of people don't have PS3's or a Blu-Ray player. IMO most PS3 owners wouldn't be such big Blu-Ray fans if their PS3 didn't use that technology, Games are getting bigger and won't fit on DVD's for much longer it was the same when we jumped from disk to cassette to cartridge to CD to DVD and now to Blu-Ray. Lost Odyssey didn't fit on 1 DVD and that was't to much of a big deal.

  • xXrebel666Xx

    Posted Aug 10, 2008 5:28 am PT

    @fatcat13sep-

    Wii most likely will come in 1st due to its cheap price and appeal to families manner, however PS2, yes that wasn't a typo, PS2 is currently outselling 360 and PS3 is selling double of PS2.

    With the stellar line up coming on PS3 this sales surge will only increase.
    So to be completely honest I really can't see 360 outselling PS3 when it's already getting done by the PS2.

    In the long run the battle between PS3 and Wii will tighten as Wii's lifespan is obviously not as long as the PS3.

  • fatcat13sep

    Posted Aug 9, 2008 8:57 pm PT

    in 4 years were getting new systems and you dumb asses think ps3 will win wii is going to be first x360 in 2nd and ps3 in last and i like all the systems

  • ps3thabest

    Posted Aug 9, 2008 10:19 am PT

    cheesyone-did you read the article? it said it cant fit on two Xbox 360 discs.
    that should tell you how weak the 360 disc space is. the blueray can hold it all in one.

  • bassmaniac20005

    Posted Aug 9, 2008 8:47 am PT

    Hey Carmack! lrn2chuseacnsle. You can't have cake and pie. Cake or pie, or GTFO!

  • biagio55

    Posted Aug 9, 2008 3:00 am PT

    i think its all talk too be honest with doom packing three times as much horsepower as rage and itll probly be graphically the same maybe a little better imo

  • surppo

    Posted Aug 9, 2008 2:08 am PT

    i guess id is the first to fill up a bluray disc, sony backed the right horse the console wars rage fourth.

  • metalkid9

    Posted Aug 8, 2008 5:32 pm PT

    I hate how none of ID's upcoming major games take forever and have no date of release. These games are gonna take forever to release.

  • StegrShmil

    Posted Aug 8, 2008 1:50 pm PT

    @ darkride66. By now everybody should know that the PS3 has better graphics and the games look better than the 360's, but to me how the game looks is just a bonus. Sure if the game has horrible graphics then it will be a little tough to play, but if the game is right and it plays smooth, then it will be a great game. Crisis has maybe the best graphics I have ever seen, but I personally do not like the game. People like the 360 better because the games are more fun, and are worth the money. I still play PS one games if I feel like it because they are more fun than some of the games that come out now.

  • darkride66

    Posted Aug 8, 2008 9:09 am PT

    @ McGregor. Good post. You mentioned "I care about the game looking, and playing well."
    I couldn't agree more. I hear all the time on these forums how much better the 360 is, how it's superior to play on - then I look at their best game so far (Gears) and wonder why haven't we seen more games of this quality in the 2 years since Gears came out. Uncharted and MGS4 have topped Gears so far in my opinion and have you seen Heavy Rain or Killzone 2? They look amazing! You can argue tech specs all you want but the proof is in the games. So far the PS3's top games have the edge and look to be improving by leaps and bounds. I'm not seeing anything similar with the 360. The quality there has somewhat plateaued (not that this is a bad thing, 360 games are very impressive and have been for some time.)

  • Chernnunos

    Posted Aug 7, 2008 2:46 pm PT

    If you're going to make another Doom game, make it good and make it fun to play multiplayer. KTHXBAI

  • Halochampian

    Posted Aug 7, 2008 11:34 am PT

    fighterguard....

    they are fighting for second place because in the end. They know they will end up in first. people are seeing that the wii is not all that great. Most of all wii's sold are now up on ebay.

    mine may be there too.... before the dust suffocates it.

    but back on topic.. WOOT DOOM!!!!!

  • UnkownEntity

    Posted Aug 7, 2008 1:19 am PT

    Been a doom fan for a looong time, this is definitely exciting

  • Wolveric

    Posted Aug 6, 2008 9:44 pm PT

    i see that robborboy don't play on pc, please load crysis with a p4 i beg you please, you will not play event on medium, man im not a ps3 fan boy, i really hate the ps3 game catalog but talking about performance ps3 break thru the xbox360, blu-ray vs HD-DVD(an adicional 100USD unit, DAMMM), procesor and event the damm video card its better, mickisoft may focus in develop and make developers make games for 360 because the ps3 lacks the real deal, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!GAMEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, i personaly hate console war, i prefer the pc for play and my psp on the go and i really known what i have and what i need.

  • McGregor

    Posted Aug 6, 2008 11:50 am PT

    Wow Darkride66, you really do get thumbs down all the time. I'm not sure what the hardware specs are on the PS3 vs the 360 (2 teraflops vs 1...that is an impressive difference, but Robborboy has a point, video cards play just as important of a role, if not more, than cpu processors), but to be honest it doesn't even matter to me. I care about the game looking, and playing well. If they jam graphics into the system that are absolutely breath taking and it runs at a crappy 15 fps, then i don't want it. So far neither system has put out a game that completely blows away the competition. For the record though, many developers say that the 360 hardware is a lot easier to develop on, i would imagine that is because the development process is similar to the PC. Likewise the developers who use the PS3's processor to it's full capability find they are able to do more particle effects etc...(more stuff can go on at once when it comes to explosions, debris, fog, etc...) not sure if that means they can get more units/enemies on the screen, but i don't see why not. The hardware for both machines is powerful enough that developers are getting what they want out of it. They are getting virtually unlimmited units/mobs/enemies to run through an area and not hinder performance. Sounds like quality gaming to me, no matter which system you prefer!

  • Robborboy

    Posted Aug 5, 2008 4:18 pm PT

    I love seeing people talk about CELL this and CELL that, its not the damn CELL that gives you the picture. It the 256mb card. I find it funny everyone is always focusing on the CPU even though its the GPU requirements that are always what matters. Rarely have I seen a CPU on a modern computer not be able to handle all processes. And quite often have I seen that GPUs need replaced due to ram restrictions.

  • fighterguard

    Posted Aug 5, 2008 12:42 pm PT

    It seems pretty fun to me how Sony and M$ (and their respective fan bases) are beating the hell out of each other in a prizefight for which the award is the SECOND PLACE!!

    Was the PS2 great because it sold (and is still selling) more that any other past or present home console? I don't think so.

    Is the Wii the greatest of all because it's outselling both PS3 and X360 combined? I don't thin so.

    Fanboyism seems each day more stupid to me. I love Nintendo games and franchises, and that's why I prefer the Wii and the DS. But I'm actually thinking seriously of getting myself a PS3 (oh, blasphemer!!!) just to play GTA4 and MGS4. But then again I ponder if it's actually worth to spend $600+ on a piece of metal, plastic and silicon just to play two games. Sure there are others, but I don't care about them.
    My point is that you all should stop uttering such nonsenses everytime someone (even if it's someone as vocal as John Carmack himself) says something in favor of a console or in detriment of the other. If you like the thing, then go out and buy it. But it's quite stupid to try and convince the others not that your choice was the correct one but their choice was the worst of all. I mean, choosing a platform is not like choosing a religion (though seeing the ever-raising prices of hardware and games, it may turn into that someday (God save us all)). I know I won't burn in the depths of hell for eternity for dissmissing the X360 altogether.

  • theKSMM

    Posted Aug 5, 2008 10:21 am PT

    Who in the world is trying to play Wolfenstein or Doom RPGs on an iPhone? That stuff sounds like really good fare for the PSP or DS, even if the iPhone hardware is technically superior.

    I suspect that even if id can get around the frustration of getting a game into the App Store, they will find that the iPhone's gaming market is a lot like the Wii's--loaded with casual gamers who aren't going to bother finding out what Wolfenstein is, much less buying it.

  • darkride66

    Posted Aug 5, 2008 8:26 am PT

    cheesyone said "you PS3 fanboys need to just listen to Carmack talk about the PS3 and how inferior it is to the xbox 360 he even states that the PS3s entire cpu can only compare to one of the 360s 3 cpu cores."
    Interesting. I understand that the Cell was capable of 2 Teraflops while the 3 360 cpu's manage one Teraflop, and I've never heard this claim disputed. You think, now I'm going out on a limb here, you think maybe, just maybe...having never actually made a game for the PS3 (The Quake Wars game was handled by a company called Underground Development which closed after work on this game), that Carmack may not actually have taken the time to learn how to use the PS3 - like say...Insomniac or Naughty Dog? Because their work seems to speak for itself, doesn't it now. I don't see any games by Id to make a comparison to..oh, that's right. Because they haven't made any.

  • ele975

    Posted Aug 5, 2008 6:58 am PT

    Doom 4 prolly won't come out like until 2011 or 2012...

  • kirshna

    Posted Aug 5, 2008 5:58 am PT

    i want doom 4

  • tawagivercetti

    Posted Aug 5, 2008 3:43 am PT

    Doom 4 will be the s**t

    master system dominates ps3

  • ResEvilFreak

    Posted Aug 5, 2008 2:03 am PT

    cheesyone:And you should listen to him when he says that because of Xbox 360, that Rage will be down tonned in the graphical part with two discs while the PS3 version will be able to hold it all with one. Hmmm I wonder why that is huh?Oh not to mention that what you speak about the Cell has been proven by many other developers out in the market, even third party ones.

    Cooldude:Agreed, id Software invented [or basically put it where is today]. Without them, where would the FPS genre be today? Probably dead or only just struggling to start out now.

  • cooldude03

    Posted Aug 4, 2008 5:41 pm PT

    id Software is the king of FPS. The disappointing Quake Wars will be forgotten when we get our hands on Rage, Doom 4, and Wolfenstein. All shooter fans should be very excited.

  • cheesyone posted Aug 4, 2008 4:39 pm PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    cheesyone

    Posted Aug 4, 2008 4:39 pm PT (hide)

    you PS3 fanboys need to just listen to Carmack talk about the PS3 and how inferior it is to the xbox 360 he even states that the PS3s entire cpu can only compare to one of the 360s 3 cpu cores.
    "the cell is the best ever"!!! LOL im sure you'll think that when all youve heard said about it is from SONY. they love to toot their own horn. remember them saything the ps2 was better in graphical quality than the xbox? wow what a load of crap! there was launch games on the xobx that never got topped in graphics by the ps2 such as doa3 and halo.

  • StalwartXX

    Posted Aug 4, 2008 4:12 pm PT

    Hmm I feel the urge to add my two penneth worth. Its already been stated that a console is measured only by the quality of its games and as much as Xbox 360 and PS3 can strive for perfection they both have their fair share of games which are, without doubt, absolute pig swill. If a game is good its good, if a game is bad its bad. Even then its not as clear. Most people hated the 360 versions of Farcry and the expansion to it but I loved it. Most people love Halo 3 but I found it over rated. I prefered the old Xbox version of The Godfather to the PS3 version of the game.

    I have all 3 of the next gens. In my eyes the only one losing out is the Wii. Sure its fun, sure its got the wiimote but games wise its all kiddy crap and badly mapped controls on games. I love Guilty Gear but Guilty Gear on the Wii...it ruined the entire franchise for me

    I'm sure it has its charms but meh they arn't sparkling for me. Anyways, I've gone slightly off topic. The main point I'm getting at is that if you're sad enbough to try and argue which box of metal, plastic and circuitry is better then you really need to get out more, maybe get a tan, realise what socialising is, etc.

    The consoles are all the same, they just have different funders lol they all play games, they all have a pad, some wirse and they hook up to a tv, they all have good and bad games, they all have people who play them. The biggest difference between all the consoles isn't anything to do with the consoles themselves, its to do with the fanboys XD

    And for a final note, Sega Megadrive rules all next gen consoles!!!!!!!

  • Soupflakez

    Posted Aug 4, 2008 1:20 pm PT

    micmill:

    Misconceptions of what someone says, based in the original context, is somewhat common, especially when ones bias plays in (which is all the time with stupid fan-boys/girls). These boards are set up, entirely, for the idiocy of peoples ridiculously close-minded sentiment. It's almost like Gamespot releases news with commentary sections to enjoy the stupidity of 99.9% of the readers.

    The bottom line is that the Xbox 360 and PS3 are too dissimilar in processor technology to accurately compare. From what I can discern, Sony has the more powerful machine. With that said, you might as well take that statement with a grain of salt because both have their strengths and weaknesses (meaning many, myself included, don't exactly know how to compare them). Either way, there are multiple reasons people buy consoles. One of which is because consoles don't require the owner to have any knowledge about the technology in the console itself. That's the beauty of consoles, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CARE ABOUT HOW MANY GHZ THE PROCESSOR CAN RUN AT! Hell, your perception judges how 'good' graphics are. Although, in my personal belief graphics should be second priority (if a priority at all). Games are meant to be fun. So, please, go have fun with your games.

  • Booflax

    Posted Aug 4, 2008 12:46 pm PT

    Ahh, the ever enduring comment thread. Its many intricacies continue to boggle the brains of the two collective fanboy hive minds. Please tell me, exactly how much time can one waste debating a never ending argument? Sorry, rhetorical question. Perhaps what I fail to grasp is this immense euphoric feeling you all receive when you attempt to dictate what games your fellow gamers should be playing

    That's what you all are, right? (In however much time you devote.) Isn't what you guys do clearly implied in the name? Gamer- One who plays games. What's the point in limiting what games you play because of your self imposed loyalty to one company? "Arrgh, even though I read about this game nearly ever day, bought every piece of pre-released merchandise for it, watched every gameplay video and trailer of it, drank the special edition promotional soda of it, and tattooed the entirety of my back in the main protagonist's likeness, I will not be playing this game because goes against the teachings of Master Black Belt Lord Grand Chief Sony."

    Listen, both systems got some pretty nice price drops. Those of you who can, by all means just buy both of the systems. Those of you who can't (or won't) buy both systems, then keep crying. One of these days, your tears will by some fair chance crystallize into the the coveted silicon and plastic of the entertainment console that you do not own.

    - EPIC_Crios

    Best comment ever. Listen to this person please. All the consoles have great games and it doesn't cost THAT much to own all three.

    And notice how Carmack only mentions Doom 4's graphics and not its gameplay. That's the first sign that this game will inevitably disappoint.

  • TheZ3nMan

    Posted Aug 4, 2008 10:10 am PT

    Can't wait for Doom..

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