NPD: GTAIV defends sales throne

Rockstar's open-world gangster drama on the 360 fends off Mario Kart and newcomer Wii Fit to top software charts as industry hits $1.12 billion in total revenue for May; PS2 data discontinued.

The month of May finds itself in a rather squishy spot this year, considering the release slates that have bookended it. April saw the blockbuster releases of Grand Theft Auto IV on the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, as well as Mario Kart Wii on Nintendo's console, whereas June brings the promise of Metal Gear Solid 4 for the PS3, Ninja Gaiden 2 for the 360, and multiplatform efforts The Bourne Conspiracy, Lego Indiana Jones, and Guitar Hero: Aerosmith, to name a few.

By contrast, May's highest-profile releases are Wii Fit, itself a game that has been subject to widespread shortages, and Haze for the PS3, which landed in critics' laps with a resounding thud. Nevertheless, as evidenced by the NPD Group's monthly sales-stat dump today, May easily maintained 2008's double-digit gaming-industry growth, tallying $1.12 billion in total console, handheld, and accessory sales, a 37 percent year-over-year increase.

Unsurprisingly, April's end-of-the-month releases notched three of the top five slots in this month's chart, with the Xbox 360 version of GTAIV taking the top spot at 871,300 units. That tally is almost twice as much as the PS3 edition of the game, which occupied the fourth slot in NPD's data charts with 442,900 units on the month. "GTAIV has now generated combined sales of 4.2 million units [in the US], making it the top-selling title of the year," commented NPD analyst Anita Frazier. According to Rockstar Games parent Take-Two Interactive, the game sold 8.5 million units and shipped 11 million units worldwide in its first 48 hours on the market.

Nintendo cleaned up the remainder of the top five. In the second slot was Mario Kart Wii, which added 787,400 units to the 1.12 million copies of the game sold in April. Wii Fit managed the third slot, coming in near the top end of analysts' estimates at 687,700 units, despite the fact that many consumers have come up empty-handed when trying to buy the game at retail. Chart stalwart Wii Play, which comes bundled with a Wii Remote, rounded out Nintendo's vice grip on the top five, logging another 294,600 units sold.

In the wake of GTAIV's landmark debut in April, many were surprised that Xbox 360 and PS3 sales saw no corresponding bump; in fact, sales were down from the prior months. Although NPD analyst Anita Frazier said at the time that the uptick could be appropriately reflected in May sales (considering that the game was released so late in the reporting period), that has turned out to not be the case. For the month of May, the PlayStation 3 outsold the Xbox 360 by a growing margin, 208,700 units to 186,600.

As for those expected Xbox 360 and PS3 sales, Frazier has not yet given up on the prospect of a bump. "The continued success of GTAIV is not translating into big hardware sales for either the PS3 or the 360, but there may yet to be a lift in June due to gift-giving for Father's Day and Graduations," commented the NPD analyst.

Otherwise, it's the same old story for Nintendo and its fast-selling Wii and DS. Though nearly 50,000 units off of last month's tally, the Wii still easily outpaced the competition once again, selling 675,100 units. Likewise, the Nintendo DS logged yet another 400,000-plus-unit month, selling 452,600 systems.

May 2008 has the dubious distinction of being the first month since 2000 where NPD has not submitted PlayStation 2 sales to the press. The omission is doubly strange, since last month the console was not far behind the Xbox 360 and its successor, the PlayStation 3.

An NPD rep told GameSpot that the company now prefers "to focus on current generation platforms and not on previous generation platforms...There's a lot going on with PS2, but you have to pull the plug eventually." For its part Sony does not feel the same way, as it trumpeted the fact that "more than 42.2 million PS2s have been sold to date," in its own post-NPD press release.

Taking a sweeping look at the industry, Frazier noted the prime position that the US gaming industry continues to be in. "The US video games industry has generated $6.6 billion in sales so far this year, which exceeds total 1997 annual revenues," observed Frazier. "The industry is on pace to achieve revenues in the $21-$23B range for 2008."

US VIDEO GAMES INDUSTRY - MAY 2008
Software: $536.9M (+41%)
Hardware: $428.6M (+34%)
Accessories: $150.8M (+30%)
Total Games: $1.12B (+37%)

TOP-SELLING HARDWARE - MAY 2008
Wii--675,100
Nintendo DS--452,600
PlayStation 3--208,700 PlayStation Portable--182,300
Xbox 360--186,600

TOP-SELLING SOFTWARE - MAY 2008
Title / Publisher / Release Date / Units*
1) Grand Theft Auto IV (X360) / Take-Two / 360 / 871,300
2) Mario Kart Wii w/ Wheel (WII) / Nintendo / 787,400
3) Wii Fit w/ Balance Board (WII) / Nintendo / 687,700
4) Grand Theft Auto IV (PS3) / Take-Two / 442,900
5) Wii Play w/ Remote (WII) / Nintendo / 294,600
6) Super Smash Bros. Brawl (WII) / Nintendo / 171,100
7) Iron Man (PS2) / Sega / 130,600
8) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/ Guitar (WII) / Activision / 116,800
9) Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Darkness (DS) / Nintendo / 107,000
10) Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Time (DS) / Nintendo / 102,000

* Figures include Collector's, Limited, Legendary, Bundles (Guitars) Editions

379 Comments

  • sonicboom712

    Posted Sep 20, 2008 6:57 am PT

    i think brawl should've deserved the top spot

  • RevolutionDS

    Posted Aug 17, 2008 12:05 am PT

    I love how the ms and sony fanboys persist in arguing so intensely over which is better (basically a battle for 2nd place) while nintendo only tightens its grip on console supremacy this generation in north america. I know that sounded a bit biased but you can't argue against the raw numbers of ds/wii sales coming out month after month.

  • xElite_GameRx

    Posted Jul 18, 2008 12:48 pm PT

    Sony is losing a lot of money every year and so is Microsoft with careless spending that seems to have little effect in people's decision between PS3 and 360. Although that careless spending has gotten them exclusives away from PS3, wii is still on top and profiting big time. Although I don't really care for games like mario kart, brawl, or pokemon, you can't deny their success with pre-teens and women.

  • bently810p

    Posted Jul 13, 2008 6:58 pm PT

    Oh how I do love when all the fan boys get in. Ahh good times, good times. ( Now to my point) Guts5 If it took MGS 4 1.5 years to get here, didnt take halo 3 2 years and didnt gamespot give halo a 9.5 and MGS 4 a 10.0. There are plenty of excellent games for the PS3 funny thing gamespot never really gave them good enough scores (At least in my oppinion, I really like haze, I have warhawk, thats a lot of fun and uncharted). That game was way better than an 8.0. Those games are all great. Of course there are some more coming and there are games that are both on Xbox and Playstation that are good. ( which I have like COD4 and Assassins Creed.) And with games like Killzone 2 and LittleBigPlanet im fine with my PS3. Though i will miss Halo 3 ( even though i dont have an Xbox or Xbox 360 I've played every level, every map from all the games) Ahh whatever as long as you like your console, and I like mine then hwho really cares. ( Well i guess i do considering how much i wrote.)

  • mjk_1

    Posted Jul 11, 2008 12:40 am PT

    Sony should put some of that money to use. They go so much of it coming in with the PS2, PSP, and PS3. Dish out that money and lets see more next-gen exclusives!

  • Fat__matt

    Posted Jun 26, 2008 3:52 pm PT

    wow 2 ppl bein civalized to each other lol anyway just 2 make this relevant i agree with goldeneye it just makes sense ad its nice to actaully read somefine on here thts nt full of bias

  • goldeneye_basic

    Posted Jun 19, 2008 9:00 pm PT

    @Nineball2112, I appreciate your reply as well.

  • Nineball2112

    Posted Jun 19, 2008 5:50 am PT

    @ goldeneye_basic, I'll concede that point to you. I agree that MS was trying to only get a foothold in the console business with the first Xbox, and therefore, was willing to lose money on the deal. Yeah, you're right. I would consider that a strategic "investment".

    I still don't necessarily agree with you on the RROD problem, but I appreciate your level-headed, logical reply.

  • combatsoldier

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 11:18 pm PT

    this is absolutely amazing.

  • goldeneye_basic

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 11:00 pm PT

    @Nineball2112, MS never intended to recoup any money from the Xbox. One of the MS execs even said it's sole purpose was to gain a foothold in the console market. There are more ways to invest money than R&D.
    Also, I would say the RROD problem wasn't really due to making a console on the cheap as much as it was due to rushing it out to market first to improve their market share. MS is making it cheaper now with improved reliability. If MS had waited even a few months, they would have missed the Christmas season for 2005.

  • goldeneye_basic

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 10:25 pm PT

    @darkride, MS intentionally sold the Xbox at a huge loss. They knew that the selling price was well below the manufacturing costs. How can you deny that? Since they did that, they knew there was no way to recover those losses ($4 billion) with the XBOX. They were investing into the future by gaining market share. I already said that. Now, the profits of MS' gaming division are increasing. MS will end up making a lot of money on consoles. Maybe not this generation, but almost definitely by next generation. You said "And to make myself perfectly clear, for the 50th time, I don't think MS is pulling out of the console market. I think they have too much invested." You see, in that one sentence you even say they were investing. You are contradicting yourself. Sony is still in the red in their entertainment division. Just last fall, Gamespot reported that Sony cut its losses in that division to just over a billion dollars. Like I said in the other news forum, that loss would be much higher if it weren't for movies, music, the PS2, the PSP, etc... because those are very profitable parts of that division. Yuck_Too said that Sony has lost 4 billion dollars on the PS3. I don't know if that is true or not but it sounds reasonable. Sony still has many years to recover those losses. Sony is in the same position as MS was with the Xbox, just at a different time. It used the PS3 to help win the format war, instead of gaining a foothold in the console market. This will probably turn out to be a smart move when the Blu Ray royalties come flooding in. Yuck and I were not trying to steer attention away from anything. We brought up the Sony example to show your double standard. Sony will make money from the PS3, but not necessarily on the PS3 itself, just like MS will make money on consoles in the long run. Since, the games division of MS is and will continue to be profitable for the foreseeable future, there is no way it is leaving the console market.

    You post wild speculation that MS may leave the console market, but to try to remain neutral, you say you personally don't think it will happen. Then why even post it? Just imagine if somebody else posted that Sony was going to leave the console market. Just imagine all of the flak that person would get. Also, in another post, somebody was asking what console to get. Your reply was to list all of the PS3 positives without mentioning anything about the 360. That post is what I would expect a PS3 salesman to say. I think your bias is very obvious. You said yourself, you prefer the PS3, and there is nothing wrong with that, just please stop trying to act neutral.

  • darkride66

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 2:16 pm PT

    @ Guts5. So when the 360 has good attach rates it's because it's awesome, when the PS3 has good attach rates it's because everyone is desperate for games, that's your take, is it?
    I never, never claimed Haze was a great game. Just look at my review score. Haze's only sin was being average, and trying to do something different that gamers aren't ready for yet.
    The PS3 absolutely has kept pace with the 360. During the first year and a half they've had the same number of games released. You list off 4 "AAA" games exclusive to the 360, Forza 2 wasn't released until after a year and a half in, Ghost Recon and Elder scrolls weren't exclusive, that leaves Gears, and MGS4 kicks Gears all over the place. That's if you want to focus on exclusives, but why would you do that? There's plenty of great games that aren't exclusives. Why do you bother trying to disprove what I say when you don't even bother to check out if I'm right, and then don't back it up with anything?

  • Nineball2112

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 1:11 pm PT

    Guts5 posted: "If you want a grade A game for the PS3 that has come out on the PS3 at all you have one choice and it's MGS4."

    Well, what's your definition of "grade A"? If you are saying 90 or above, then you are right.

    I'm not saying the PS3 is overflowing with exclusive AAA titles, but it does have more then just MGS4 for good "exclusive" games.
    Scores from Metacritic:
    Resistance FOM = 86
    Warhawk = 84
    Motorstorm = 82
    Super Stardust HD = 85
    Ratchet and Clank: Tools = 89
    Uncharted = 88

    I dunno... maybe anything below a 90 is not an A title technically, but the games listed above are all stellar games.

  • Guts5

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 12:44 pm PT

    "You know how many the 360 had a year and a half in?"

    More nonsense... The state of affairt right now is it isn't even close. Uh and you defeat your own argument... which is pretty typical. Attach rates are high on the PS3 because of a LACK of choices when it comes to exclusives when compared to the 360. I'll remind you again that counting the 3 months over summer the PS3 gets 3 exlusives including Haze and MGS. 1 AAA and one bomb. Meanwhile, the 360 gets 12 exlusives in the same time frame.

    If you want a grade A game for the PS3 that has come out on the PS3 at all you have one choice and it's MGS4. unless you want to count the game you claimed was great in Haze... with it's metacrit score of 55. The reallity of the situation is just now PS3 got it's first exlusive A title in MGS4 and it's out over 1.5 years. By that time 360 had Forza 2, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced War Fighter, Elder Scrolls, and Gears of War. 4 times as many A games out in the same period. So, no the PS3 is not gaining any ground at all and has not kept pace the 360 set in the games area.

  • darkride66

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 12:02 pm PT

    @ Ozzie234. That's funny, it looks to me like the PS3 version has a higher attach rate, and even the head of Rockstar itself said he prefered the graphics on the PS3 version. Publication after publication weighed in on the issue and said the PS3 version of GTA4 had far fewer pop-in textures, fewer framerate issues, better load times, and that the more subdued colors and lighting suited the overall feel of the game better than the 360's version. You need to read a bit more than articles that start with "The 360 is bestest because..." And as for the PS3 having no AAA games, I see 5 games rated 90 or higher on metacritic, 56 rated 80 and up. You know how many the 360 had a year and a half in? 5 as well. Buy contrast the PS2 has 64 games rated 90 and up. Do you think that everyone should abandon their 360 because of lack of AAA titles?
    I don't know why I even bother replying to you anymore. It's clear that you only see what you want to see and will never make any effort to better yourself by taking the time to get informed. Sad really.

  • Ozzie234

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 11:24 am PT

    Ps3 GTA4 should still have done better, since it was a highly anticipated game, and considering the ps3 almost had no real AAA games until MGS4 was released. No competition = more sales. So your explanation doesn't cut it darkride66. As usual. No, people got it for the 360 because that version was superior, with higher native resolution, less jaggies, no blur, better anti-aliasing, and DLC.

  • Nineball2112

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 8:25 am PT

    Darkride posted: "So, if I'm to understand you correctly, MS games division didn't "lose" 4 billion on the original xbox, they invested it? No, my friend, when you invest with no chance of recouping your investment, that's a loss. See the difference?"

    Ding, ding, ding!! You posted what I was going to, Dark. EXACTLY. There is a big difference between investing in a product (basically R&D) intending fully to recoup that money by future sales of said product VERSUS investing money into a product that you pull from the market where it will NOT recoup that money.

    Goldeneye_basic posted: "The only argument that you can make that MS lost money unintentionally would be for the $1.5 billion write off for the RROD failures. By the time MS retires the 360, it will have made back most, if not all of the $2 billion loss for it."

    I think that's a pretty valid argument to make about the write-off of RROD failures. That's not even R&D, that's unintended losses that makes the hole even harder to crawl out of (not saying that Microsoft can't do it, in fact I think they have but imagine how much better their results would have been if they had not tried to produce their consoles on the cheap).

  • darkride66

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 7:33 am PT

    @ goldeneye_basic. I thought this conversation was done with, but if you seriously want to side against reason, have at it then.
    You said "I find it funny that you say that Yuck_Too consistently bashes Sony, while you simultaneously bash MS."
    I wasn't bashing Microsoft. I was pointing out a financial reality. When a division of a company fails to live up to expectations, pointing this out isn't "bashing" them. We live in the real world here and companies are here to make money.
    So, if I'm to understand you correctly, MS games division didn't "lose" 4 billion on the original xbox, they invested it? No, my friend, when you invest with no chance of recouping your investment, that's a loss. See the difference? If the 360 manages to make more money than it loses we can call that an investment. Currently it looks like they're set to break even at the rate they're making money now. Is breaking even what MS was trying for? I don't think so. And this has nothing to do with Sony. What Sony is doing doesn't make a lick of difference to how MS runs itself. Yuck_too was trying the same tactic, distract from the topic at hand by bringing up some other company. I'll tell you the same thing I told him. Who cares?
    And to make myself perfectly clear, for the 50th time, I don't think MS is pulling out of the console market. I think they have too much invested. The whole discussion stemmed from me talking about earnings calls regarding MS that I had been a part of, where it is being openly discussed by financial experts that MS may pull out of the console market due to earnings after six years not recouping loses and coming in far less than expectations. I was just saying that I can see that side of the argument. 6 years and no financial gains over that period? Is Microsoft running the world's largest charity for gamers? I don't think so.
    Did you think that maybe discussing sales and game trends that don't look as favorably to MS is not an attempt to "bash" MS but instead is simply that, discussing sales and game trends? I'm a huge 360 fan! Just because I'm willing to discuss issues surrounding it doesn't mean otherwise. You have to live in a pretty dark cave to not realize that MS's slide to 3rd in worldwide sales, and their inability to turn a profit on their games division over 6 years is something that should be of concern to all game fans. If you want to compare this to Sony, be my guest. At least Sony seems able to make a buck from their games division when it's all said and done. That's not a slight at MS, that's just an economic fact and should be taken as such.

  • darkride66

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 7:15 am PT

    webdoom said "lol 360 sales of GTA is around double what it is on ps3"
    I'm confused. You find it funny that with more than double the installed user base in the US, the 360 version didn't sell more? I don't get what your point is.

  • webdoom

    Posted Jun 18, 2008 2:36 am PT

    lol 360 sales of GTA is around double what it is on ps3

  • CHRION987

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 11:12 pm PT

    besides the red ring of death issue...the 360 has surpassed the sega genesis for "best system ever" imo

  • goldeneye_basic

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 9:21 pm PT

    darkride "Your (referring to Yuck_Too) consistent bashing of Sony still doesn't change the fact that, financially anyways, MS gambled and lost."
    I find it funny that you say that Yuck_Too consistently bashes Sony, while you simultaneously bash MS in the same sentence. Plus you are posting on Gamespot far more than he is.

    darkride "@ Yuck_too. A company that loses 6 billion is much different than a company that spends 4 billion and still makes money."
    Just like Yuck said and what I tried to say in the other news thread last week, you have a double standard for MS and Sony. MS is "losing" money with its game division while Sony is "investing" money. Guess what, they both invested money, and these investments are recorded as losses. Please stop saying they are different because they are not. Plus, MS doesn't make money? Last year it posted a net profit four times as high as Sony.

    darkride "MS's games division did not post those losses on purpose."
    Yeah it did. MS intentionally sold the Xbox at a loss totaling $4 billion. It was investing into the future by gaining market share in the console business. Now that MS is making money on it's consoles and will continue to increase its profits, there is no reason for MS to leave the console business. The only argument that you can make that MS lost money unintentionally would be for the $1.5 billion write off for the RROD failures. By the time MS retires the 360, it will have made back most, if not all of the $2 billion loss for it. The next console will be very profitable for them.

    darkride "IGN said of a recent interview with Shane Kim of MS, "it does suggest that Microsoft is at least exploring the idea of launching a digital system rather than a traditional expensive piece of hardware."
    Yeah, even Nineball said that was a very vague statement. I wouldn't even call that an interview, more like one question. Most of the exchange between you and Yuck seems to originate from your belief that MS may not make another console. Yuck makes very credible and obvious points that MS will make another console, but since he disagrees with you, he is consistently bashing Sony.

    darkride "If I wanted to bash the 360, all I would have to do is point out they're still in 3rd place in worldwide sales, and have been for about 7-8 months now."
    Yeah, that is the main theme of most of your posts on GS. At least now you admit that when you constantly bring that up, you are bashing the 360. I notice you didn't tell Yuck to go to another forum for basically saying the same things I did last week. Yet you told me that my posts were irrelevant for the forum and I should go to the fan-boy forums. At least you now realize that whether our posts are correct or not, at least they are relevant because they are in response to your posts, which some are intended solely to stir the pot.

  • Octagon13

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 8:58 pm PT

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  • darkride66

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 7:03 pm PT

    @ Ozzie234. You're incredible. All I can do is shake my head. When the 360 is eventually discontinued, you'll probably still be on these forums arguing that the 360 is selling great! "WhooHoo! I don't know what people are talking about, there's a tribe of Inuit where 82% of households have 360's. It's going strong, who cares what actual sales numbers say......wooooooo!"
    So, you don't dispute the worldwide sales numbers, you just think that they're somehow rigged to include, let me get this straight, the actual worldwide sales numbers? And Sony's current lead worldwide for the past 6 months doesn't count because they're counting all the consoles sold and that's not fair somehow?
    You need to get out more.

  • Ozzie234

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 2:55 pm PT

    LMAO. Yup, the ps3 has reached some success in Europe - *if* you count Africa, Middle-east, and Russia as Europe, and shipped units as end sales. That's Sonymatics for ya! Microsoft is still on top if you count normal European countries and end retail sales only. By large.

  • GonLee30

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 12:15 pm PT

    Sell,sell,sell,. . .who cares?Games are all I want these days.No I don't own a PS3(YET),but I do belive the PS3 is the better system.I know the 360 has the better online however you can't say that sony isn't starting to look better and better.The main games I want for the PS3 are God of War3,Killzone2.Humm, . . maybe sony might want to get those game out and bundle MGS4 with a Doulshock3 80g ps3 and boom I 'm sold.

  • thekodaman

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 11:06 am PT

    darkride66 is indeed correct, the PS3 has been outselling the Xbox360 Internationally for some time now (not by an immense amount but still more). The only regions where It hasn't overtaken the Xbox360 in monthly sales are North America and the UK, but regardless 2008 so far has been an excellent year for games with MGS4, GTAIV, Ninja Gaiden 2 and more being released - I'm looking forward to the next few months.

  • darkride66 posted Jun 17, 2008 10:55 am PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    darkride66

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 10:55 am PT (hide)

    jbc1 said "For Sony's sake, Metal Gear Solid 4 better sell a lot of copies attached to PS3s...Outselling the 360 by 20,000 units a month isn't gonna do it based on the current worldwide numbers."
    Slow down there. You're missing a zero. So far this year the PS3 has outsold the 360 by 1.1 million consoles as of the end of May. That's 220,000 consoles, not 20,000 consoles averaged out every month. The PS3 is selling way faster than the 360 ever did. At this point in the 360's life it has only sold 10 million consoles, Sony has sold 3 million more units in the same amount of time. I don't think Sony's too concerned.

  • jbc1

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 10:25 am PT

    For Sony's sake, Metal Gear Solid 4 better sell a lot of copies attached to PS3s because they don't seem to be making a lot of headway into Nintendo's and Microsoft's lead in terms of console sales. Outselling the 360 by 20,000 units a month isn't gonna do it based on the current worldwide numbers, not to mention that if Nintendo's Wii keeps selling this way, no one is ever going to catch it: http://nexgenwars.com/

  • starf0x999

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 9:15 am PT

    how is wii play still up there? people screw that just get a regular remote off gamestop. wii play sux balls

  • DFTricks

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 8:32 am PT

    Lol! iron man, the game s**** so much, but not as much as the Hulk...

  • angusclone2

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 7:10 am PT

    why would rockstar defend gta from all these other great games if its sales cant be beat!!!!!! i love gta but i love other games just as much. its defending its sales to games that some havent even come out!!! wtf

  • darkride66 posted Jun 17, 2008 7:00 am PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    darkride66

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 7:00 am PT (hide)

    NA3D said "The PS3 is the cheapest blueray player once you figure in other uses. Can you mod a PS3 to be a DVR as well?"
    I'm not sure if you can mod it to do this, but Sony did announce a planned PVR attachment. Your guess is as good as mine as to when, or if, we'll see that.

  • NA3D

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 6:26 am PT

    The PS3 is the cheapest blueray player once you figure in other uses. Can you mod a PS3 to be a DVR as well, because I might buy one then. That would absolutely be worth the money, then another console to keep me busy while my X360 goes back to the shop, again.

  • darkride66 posted Jun 17, 2008 5:45 am PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    darkride66

    Posted Jun 17, 2008 5:45 am PT (hide)

    quanloco said "alot of the ps3 sales are people looking for a cheap blu-ray player and not a game machine."
    Possibly, but this certainly isn't reflected in Blu-Ray sales, and the PS3 is not even close to the cheapest Blu-Ray player. So far there are over 13 million PS3's sold with an attach rate of 4.2 (last I checked) so that's about 55 million PS3 games sold. By contrast, for 2007 there were only about 10 million Blu-Ray disks sold worldwide, and those certainly weren't all sold to PS3 owners. So the question is, if so many people are apparently buying the PS3 as only a cheap Blu-Ray player, how come far more games are sold then Blu-Ray discs?

  • quanloco

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 7:04 pm PT

    In my opinion the thing that will continue to hurt 360 from selling more is no blu-ray. alot of the ps3 sales are people looking for a cheap blu-ray player and not a game machine

  • adamchuff

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 6:38 pm PT

    man i think that the 360 is still on top at everything. GTA sales were double the ps3, but the most ps3 has going for them is metal gear 4 is out and avail. which has had me thinking about getting the ps3 bundle. with that said though xbox still has the most games, and downloadable content that people want. if the price for the ps3 was a little lower, and all the systems were backwards compat. i think that it could possibly be a blow out for sony they would be rolling in so much more bank. people would be buying all the games they didnt have for ps2 since they are so cheap now, and be bangin out bucks for the new sh**. also another thing about the ps3 is that if everything online was kind of like the 360's, it would be alot better. i was pretty disappointed with the outcome of the system and i was one of the most loyal playstation fans ever but i had to switch over to xbox. i pray that there will be some great ideas from game developers for sony. one day i will be back to you.

  • darkride66 posted Jun 16, 2008 2:28 pm PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    darkride66

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 2:28 pm PT (hide)

    Ozzie234 said "Yes, take a look at the overall trend, and especially look at the last months trend."
    A month does not constitute a "trend".
    I'm through answering you. If you're not willing to even look at the data and insist on just spewing fanboy nonsense there's no real reason to respond. How do you expect to be taken seriously when you refuse to actually investigate the data being discussed?
    If you have the inclination, read my latest blog entry. My discussion with you is timely because you're exactly the type of person I was talking about in the blog entry from this past weekend. You need a reality check every now and then.

  • s3KtOr

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 1:51 pm PT

    It's pretty amazing to see that the PS3 is outselling the 360 already, and just to know that the MGS4 bundles didn't came out at that time as well...

  • Ozzie234

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 1:48 pm PT

    Yes, take a look at the overall trend, and especially look at the last months trend. All good for the 360. And now we have some of the biggest exclusives coming for the 360 end this year, additional price cuts for the 360, and a more saturated market for the ps3. Ouch for ps3 darkride66.

  • darkride66 posted Jun 16, 2008 12:45 pm PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    darkride66

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 12:45 pm PT (hide)

    Actually, the PS3 has sold over 1.1 million units more than the 360 from Jan to May this year, that averages out to 220,000 per month. Given the 360 has a lead worldwide of 5.8 million, that's about 26 months, or Aug of 2010. Of course this isn't taking into account games that move consoles, slowing 360 sales, increasing PS3 sales, Holiday sales, price cuts, etc. To get an idea how this would impact sales we can plot a trend line on a graphical representation of the sales data from launch. This method would be representative of other factors as opposed to just sales data itself, and this method has the PS3 overtaking the 360 sometime next summer or fall, like the analysts currently predict. Ultimately we'll have to wait and see but have a look at some of the chartz over at vgchartz. It always helps to have a visual representation of the data to help forecast sales trends.

  • Ozzie234

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 12:35 pm PT

    Right on trdrstv! And rest assure, it won't happen.

  • trdrstv

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 12:20 pm PT

    @darkride66
    [The 360] ... was crushed by the Wii and has squandered it's lead over the PS3 worldwide except for North America, and has been 3rd in worldwide sales for over half a year now.


    Yup, and if The PS3 can outsell the 360 by 200,000 units a month (which it has yet to do) it'll catch up to life to date sales by 2012. The tide is assuredly turning.

  • darkride66 posted Jun 16, 2008 12:11 pm PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    darkride66

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 12:11 pm PT (hide)

    Ozzie234 said "You're the man to talk about priorities darkride66...."
    That's doesn't even make sense. Do you think the ole "I know you are, but what am I?" really strengthens your position? Just do some research. It's not that hard. Then come back when you're properly informed and we can have a rational debate, like a couple of gamers who love the industry.

  • Ozzie234

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 12:05 pm PT

    You're the man to talk about priorities darkride66....

  • darkride66 posted Jun 16, 2008 12:05 pm PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    darkride66

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 12:05 pm PT (hide)

    Ozzie234 said "Well see about state of things in a year fanboy. It shall be fun. "
    Wait, how am I the fanboy? I'm the one actually looking at legitimate sales data, not laughing manically at my computer terminal because someone dared question my pre-conceived notion of console sales. I'm just telling it like it is. I love my 360, I have no wish to see it go anywhere. Do some research, kiddo.

  • darkride66 posted Jun 16, 2008 12:02 pm PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    darkride66

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 12:02 pm PT (hide)

    @ Ozzie234. Also, I touched on this before in another thread. If the very thought that some console other than your console of choice selling more units makes you actually laugh out loud at the absuridity of the very notion, that's a good indication that it may be time to rethink your life's priorities. Just throwing that out there.

  • Ozzie234

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 11:57 am PT

    Well see about state of things in a year fanboy. It shall be fun.

  • darkride66 posted Jun 16, 2008 11:53 am PT (does not meet display criteria. login to show)

    darkride66

    Posted Jun 16, 2008 11:53 am PT (hide)

    Ozzie234. Yes, indeed the 360 did "Dominate" this gen, for that first year when it was all by itself. Then it was crushed by the Wii and has squandered it's lead over the PS3 worldwide except for North America, and has been 3rd in worldwide sales for over half a year now.
    I'm sorry, but are you delusional or just ignorant of these facts? Because your argument sure sounds like you're just unaware of worldwide sales data. I suggest you look them up before arguing. I recommend having a look at vgchartz, and the "Hardware from Launch" chart. Try throwing in the PS2, just for kicks. Quite frankly, I don't see how that matters is the long run, though. So the 360 ends up being 3rd, who cares? It won't effect the great games we have already, or the games we have to look forward to for the next couple of years.

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