GDC '08: Game devs 'terrified' of sex

Gaming's first lady of sex Brenda Brathwaite discusses developers' fear of the erotic, the "AO kiss of death" at retail, and how a lack of mature content threatens to Disney-fy gaming.

SAN FRANCISCO--Game developers are frightened of sex, claims the founder of the International Game Developers Association's Sex special interest group. But Brenda Brathwaite isn't talking about nerds living in a basement who are too scared to approach a member of the fairer sex; she's talking about the lack of it in the actual games themselves.

Brenda Brathwaite.

She told the audience at her "Hentai, Hardcore, and Hotties" talk at the Game Developer's Conference that "Developers are terrified of putting sex in games in case they get an AO rating, which is the kiss of death."

Part of this fear is justified, she admits, as even games that get an M for Mature rating are not stocked by the biggest chain stores. "Western sex games like Leisure Suit Larry and 7 Sins didn't sell," she sighed. "And they didn't sell because they couldn't get into Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or Target. If you can't get into those three stores, you're done."

Gaming's first lady of sex also bemoaned the ratings system as blocking the potential for serious, educational sex games. "For example, you can make a game about safe sex for teenagers, and it would automatically get an AO rating," she ranted. "There's absolutely no provision in the ratings system that says anything like, 'unless it's an educational title.'"

Brathwaite admitted she was flabbergasted by the whole furore surrounding Mass Effect, which was briefly banned in Singapore for its girl-on-girl action and contained, according to one report in the mainstream press, "full digital nudity and sex." The sex scene in question was perfectly acceptable, she believes, and didn't offer anything near a hardcore experience. She said, "Why is that not OK? Why is that not alright? If we don't have any sex in games at all, we're going to end up with just those happy Disney games."

Attitudes on sex in games are not universal, and countries like Japan and Germany have problems understanding why a little lovin' causes such issues in the US. She explained, "In Germany it doesn't have anything in the ratings system about sex. It's all about the violence."

She also laughed off the controversy surrounding the sex minigame in Sony's God of War. She said, "If you were watching that on TV, you know with that kind of the vase wobbling on the table stuff, that would barely be a 13. Come on, that's almost Happy Days stuff."

However, Brathwaite doesn't want more sex in games just for the sake of having more sex in games. "Right now, there's no reason for it," she told GameSpot after her session. "Sex games aren't selling, except in a few exclusive markets and in games that have big IP. "Gratuitous sex is usually mocked, particularly when added to games where it has no real point in the narrative."

344 Comments

  • Trashcan_Man

    Posted Feb 21, 2008 12:37 am PT

    @Subrosian: Well put, and I'm glad we sorted all that out haha. I was just more focused on Brenda's claim that it was the fault of big corporations not distributing titles with hints of sexuality in them for said games not selling. It's 1.] The gamers. We know where this stuff's at and we'll buy it if we want it. and 2.] (perhaps more importantly) the videogame chain stores that do everything they can to purge our wallets. Why am I going to put money down to reserve a popular title to buy it at full price when I can buy it from Circuit City for 10-$15 cheaper on its release date? Taking the road less traveled is all.

    Now as far as sex in games...same with in-game advertising...whatever makes the experience more realistic and more immersive. Some people still play games just for fun or challenge, but more and more these games are becoming more realistic with advanced AI and graphics not to mention increased capabilities of hardware and understanding of how to use that hardware by developers. Bottom line is the restrictions on the gaming, music, and movie industry need to be more lax before we end up like 1984 in the year '08 ( and golly gee...look out here comes a new president, probably with more scrutiny on the gaming industry =/ )

  • subrosian

    Posted Feb 21, 2008 12:15 am PT

    @Trashcan_Man - now let's not invoke Godwin's Law here - I'm all for prudes doing what they do best, I just think adults condemning sex is a bit hypocritical. How many people anymore should *really* be wearing white on their wedding day?

    Of course Disney and Happy Days weren't showing tons of sex - though every Disney character seems to have a broken family. Anyway, the point is that most parents these days let their kids watch shows that do have suggestive or sexual content - House, Scrubs, or whatever other TV shows are on - and really, it's not that shocking these days.

    =
    I'm mainly concerned about a double-standard here. Discovery Channel shows lion's mating, and it's family television - look how educational it is. Sue Johanson gives tips for consenting couples to ensure they're being safe, and not hurting themselves, and it's relegated to the late-night broadcast.

    In the United States, our attitude towards sex and violence is just really odd - it's okay to show the inside of someone's guts laying out on the sidewalk, but it's not okay to show what's between someone's legs.

    Not saying I want to see a bunch of naked people suddenly showing up in games, but I'm simply saying more content like we saw in Mass Effect, in games already intended for teen / mature audiences, is utterly harmless.

  • console-deity

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 11:59 pm PT

    The unevolved (aka non-gamers) think games are for kids (their not really) and we can't expose kids to sex. For some reason though nearly every TV show for the over 12 crowd has at least a little suggestiveness but it's OK because it's TV. Sex in a game isn't bad, in fact if done tastefully it adds flavor and depth, Mass Effect proved that. Now porn games are a different matter, they can be good but you have to keep them out of the reach of children like your magazine and video collections (we all know you have one).

  • Trashcan_Man

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 11:50 pm PT

    @Subrosian....hahaha Noooo I was poking fun at the whining Brenda lady for reaching waaaay far down into the bag of la-la land to Disney and Happy Days. I think if she's trying to make an honest, adult point, that she should not treat her audience like children by picking what is probably the -SURFACE LEVEL- cleanest of things in pop culture. I actually agree with you...except for your whole nazi extermination views on prudes =P

  • kratos_karmakar

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 11:46 pm PT

    umm i agree. having sex in games is great as long as the actual game is not just about sex. i also dont see why the us,( porn kings), have such an issue with something like this. they just cant take it innocently like other countries can . they just have to make it sound dirty. have to put a taboo on it. make it look like some sort of forbidden fruit. the more reason for teenagers to find it dirty i say.

  • subrosian

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 11:40 pm PT

    So, in the US, we see people who genuinely believe that violence in games causes real world violence. I.E. - that if you see a chainsaw kill in Gears of War, you're going to cut your friend's head off with the black & decker.

    So... what happens if you see sex in a videogame? Aren't these the same parents who want their precious son to "stop playing those damn videogames and go on a date"? Frankly, I'm all for sex in videogames, not only because sex is harmless, but also because it could be something healthy.
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    A videogame gives a real opportunity to build relationships, convey values, create meaning. We talk about "cheapening" sex - yet basically we have two hours movies, thirty minute TV shows, and fifteen seconds of flipping through a magazine before it's readily access-able

    Here, you can put in a story, interaction, develop characters - if anything it is a return to romance and meaning - we let the player interact, instead of "skipping to the good bit".

    At the end of the day, I really have to question why we're so weirded out over a normal biological function - sex is normal - killing people isn't, yet in gaming the opposite is true.

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    @Trashcan_Man

    Sex is "filth"?

    I wasn't aware the process by which married couples make love and give birth to their children was, in any way "filthy". It's a natural part of being human. It's unfair that retailers are preventing mature gamers from choosing to enjoy games with sexual content, simply because a minority of people hold a belief that sex is somehow "wrong'"

    I suppose we can wait for people with that opinion to die out (since, y'know, they shouldn't be having any sex to make kids) -OR- we can recognize how utterly hypocritical it is to say "all sex is filthy, wrong, dirty, and perverted" and move on with our lives.

    No one is forcing you to play it - but someone else having the option to engag in sexual activity in a videogame isn't going to hurt you.

  • Trashcan_Man

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 11:28 pm PT

    Hmm..touchy button. "happy Disney games" I'm a huge fan of the Resident Evil and Silent Hill series. There's ain't nothin' Disney about 'em.

    I like Pokémon, but I don't want to see sex in it.

    Did Happy Days ever have any sexy stuff like that in it???

    Hey lady, stop trying to ruin the innocent things by lumping them in with filth!! lawlz Gimme a break. Don't compare apples to oranges to get your point across.

    Games that don't make the Target, Walmart, et. al. cut are only doomed because stingy gaming stores never put their stuff on sale. Huge corporations can afford to do that the day new titles come out AND offer bonuses for picking 'em up early/reserving 'em. So blame those small-time specialty gaming stores that should be looking out for our interests instead of trying to exploit our gaming obsessions *end soapbox*

  • mrbojangles25

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 11:25 pm PT

    Thank god there is a voice (a female voice at that) taking a progamer stand on this.

    Its OK in movies. Its Ok in books. But its not ok in games? Come on folks. Its time the fat cats in charge realize games arent for little kiddies only anymore.

  • wingnut99

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 11:12 pm PT

    @Rosenkratz. I hear you on that. I think sex is a big part of life. But Most of the time you run in to stupid moms and dad that dont get it. then when they find out what is in the game they want to sue. Or if there kid puts there hands on a some ones kids... A priv part, then its the games falt. We hear it all the time. Doom made this kid go to school and kill kids. or that band made him kill them people. It's never are falt (MOMs and DADS) It always this or thats falt. If my kid kills some one. It's my falt, and his falt. Not lego star wars. @King_Wii. thank you. Look I'm a dad of 2 kids. a 10 year old and a 5 year old. It is ok for me to play any game I want. It might be ok for you. Shure I would get a kick out of sex in video games. I would LMAF. But game systems are geared more for kids. I get the rating system. I do let my 5 year old or 10 year old play games that are made for teens. T is for teen's people. T rated games are almost the same as E. E as in Every one. Really the T rated games have blood, and more fighting in them. Well lego star wars has alot of fighting in it. But no blood. But my son under stands that its just one way of killing something in a kid way. Do you guys under stand me?

  • Ket87

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 11:11 pm PT

    I think it is time that video-games embrace a concept DVDs caught on to quickly, which is unrated, or at the very least loosen restrictions on AO games. But that sort of change would require everyone from console manufacturers, retailers, and the stiff ass ESRB to loosen up. Theres more violent and racey content in unrated and R rated DVDs then there would ever be in any AO game.

  • Rosenkratz

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 10:34 pm PT

    This makes a lot of sense! Why doesn't anyone else see that it is more reasonable to censorship a guy blowing somebody else's head than a couple having sex? There is nothing wrong having sexual insinuations/themes on a game because sex is healthier part of human nature than violence. And,of course, there is even worse things than Mass Effect rated "E" on TV...

  • King_Wii

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 10:31 pm PT

    You know I have to agree here, I always felt that "M" rated games were the equivlent of "R" rated movies. Now in an R movie you can have nudity you just can't show the "stuff" you know what I'm talking about... it generaly (not always) has to stay above the waist. In my opinion the rating system does enough as it is, the fact that a parent can see the "M" rated logo on the front and then flip it around and see why (Thats more information than movies give you!).

    With that said you could have GTA4 rated M: For Violance and Mature theams as well as nudity (which is what you generaly get).

    I think the AO rating should only be used when the games FOCUS is on sex, but if you have sex in the game but the main game isn't about sex than hey M rating is a-ok. In the movie world generaly R+ stuff (like NC-17 or what'ever rating is above R) is given to those movies which are focused on sex.

    Well there ya go my two cents for ya.

  • wingnut99

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 10:31 pm PT

    Well lets see. A kid some how get a game with sex in it.... Mom and dads go nuts and want to sue. On the other hand. Sex in games is like sex in a R move. What it will come down to is this. People still dont under stand the rating system. So if a kid has mom or dad buy the game, it could a bad thing. My little girl has a friend that has GTA VC. she is 10 years old!!! my little girl is just now 10. She came home from her friends house and told me all about it. The girl had her nana get it for her. I dont want my 10 year old kid playing something like that! I dont play games like that around my kids. Well My son did play gears.. he's 5. We put a stop to it. My games stay up and away from my kids. They have there games, and I have my games. What it comes down to is this. There are alot of stupid mom's, dads and Nana's out there. They dont get what the M or 17+ stands for. So what will they do if they see AO on a game. Odds are. They will buy it for there kid.

  • VengfulOne

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 10:30 pm PT

    In America, violence=good/sex=bad. That's just the way it is. Why not have the game industry lead the way in breaking this trend. As long as stores regulate who buys adult oriented games of coarse.

  • Misfit1119

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 10:26 pm PT

    The problem is that developers dont know how to introduce sexuality without it going overboard. Take for example Rumble Roses and DOAX2, they try introducing sexuality but they're so over the top as to be embarassing. Once it's allowed it can get to a safe point but until then I prefer a better, solid game experience without the boobs. They're usually unnecessary and I'd rather not have them getting in the way of actual storytelling. Then agian maybe she'd just lik eto see boobs in her GTA games.

  • gr8jedimaster

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 10:24 pm PT

    If it's an M-rated game then I don't think the game developers should hold back. Like R-rated movies, M-rated films are for adults and the developers should keep in mind what the adult gamers want: More violence and more sex. If I buy a M-rated game then I want to feel like I'm playing something mature and edgy. You do have to draw the line somewhere, though. You can't be putting graphic torture or hardcore sex scenes in there. I'm not asking for X-rated or AO-rated, just a more mature game when I buy something M-rated. I wish game developers would stop worrying about offending people or "corrupting" kids. Film writers and directors don't worry about too much violence or sex so why should game developers?

  • NearlyPrescient

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 10:18 pm PT

    honestly, the AO is the most blatant and insulting backdoor ban method ever created.

  • AdmiralDan

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 10:15 pm PT

    "In Germany it doesn't have anything in the ratings system about sex. It's all about the violence." This doesn't sound like a great alternative. I'd rather get to play shooters than sex games anyway.

  • Tenjikuronin

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 9:53 pm PT

    Having played numerous X-rated Japanese games, I can tell you that you aren't missing anything by not having sex in your games. Most of the games that I have played have ranged from mediocre to just down right awful.....

  • osiris

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 9:44 pm PT

    "Why should it be unacceptable to experience something completely legal that we've all already been exposed to, but acceptable to experience an illegal activity that few of us have been exposed to? There is no logic there." - reininpop

    I absolutely agree. Nudity/sex of some sort, if appropriate to the story in the game, shouldn't pose any problem. How is it that games are automatically picked to be banned for a little nudity or some violence? At the same time, most hollywood movies made these days have some form of sex scene and there are movies like saw out...
    When some nudity takes a back seat to killing and violence, somethings wrong, hey?

    And in the end, you can always choose to not buy the game.

  • Lord__Darkstorn

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 9:36 pm PT

    The conservatism must end! Why does a nipple or a cuss word deserve to be censored when there's mass murder on T.V? Wow, this kind of censorship really gets on my nerves about the future of this country (the U.S.).

  • nrCooldude

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 9:34 pm PT

    i totally agree with thiss woman. every teenager knows about sex and if he has a pulse, he has seen some kind of porn. what's wrong with sex in videogames? i dont say it is a very enjoyable part with great gameplay, but if the story calls for it, it should be in. its just stupid if a great game doesn't sell because of nudity and sex..

  • Magusi

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 9:25 pm PT

    First of all,
    People have to stop worrying about them selves.

    What I mean by this is simple. If you don't want nudity or sex, don't expose your self to it. You have the power to chose ... so stop making other people do it for you.

    Second of all,
    This is not Porn, so don't get it confused.

    Just because someone says "Sex" or "Nudity" does not make it porn. That is a warped view to have. Ether it's very narrow minded or deep in the gutter. Sex and nudity is not dirty ... Ripping people apart with chainsaws and blowing them away with guns is. Grow up and deal with the reality of it.

    Porn is hardcore and a category all to it's self. They are not talking about that at all. Even if they did, scroll back up ... because you can say "Hey, I don't want to play this." and not buy it. That's the power you have. Use it on your self, "not" on the world.

  • Sykosis86

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 9:05 pm PT

    I think her point is that sex has been incorporated into every other media outlet that we use (TV, books, music) on a very tongue-and-cheek level. Why should games be any different?

  • DarkStreetDev

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 9:02 pm PT

    It really is ridiculous how extreme violence and dismemberment is accepted and will get a T - M rating, but as soon as there is some nudity it gets and AO rating? Where is the logic in that?

    I'm not even sure why anybody would say Leisure Suit Larry is a porn game, it sucks. As long as a game calls for it, there can be sex. If you don't like it, simply don't buy it. There are many kiddie games available.

  • reininop

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 9:01 pm PT

    Normally, I feel the majority of the people that post in these forums represent the general consensus of the gaming community when not engaging in system wars, but not in this instance. You all seem to be more in line with the prudish, conservative mindset that somehow all sex is dirty and distasteful. It's actually frustrating to me when there is male-female interaction in games, it can't be any more mature than a 6th grader's misguided sense of love. I'm not saying we need gratuitous digital nudity; only that mature interaction (not explicitly sex, but even sexual tension) add to the immersion of a game when appropriate, just as it does in any form of entertainment. And just some food for thought, 90% of the people reading this have probably had sex, or in the very least, seen someone naked. I doubt even a fraction of a percent of us have killed someone. Why should it be unacceptable to experience something completely legal that we've all already been exposed to, but acceptable to experience an illegal activity that few of us have been exposed to? There is no logic there.

  • gamereaper999

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:58 pm PT

    the way isee it, theres no need for any crap like this in video games. id rather see millions of mutilated bodies impaled on spears than nudity. its kinda weird to have sex in video games

  • monolith66

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:51 pm PT

    I remember back in the 90's when arcades used to be king, going into an arcade and seeing this game I cant remember the name I vaguely remember it being a Japanese inspired game.The objective of the game was to cut out images of a black background with some small bug-like character that you control as you try to move things are trying to get in your way and intercept you. The movements were like pac-man in a sense except you weren't trying to eat cookies you were trying to cut shapes on a flat screen however big or small , that was part of the strategy of this game go for the big pieces and risk getting caught to reveal more of the underlying image and save time or make smaller pieces which is safer but slower and revealed less. If you revealed enough of the picture before the time ran out it always revealed a racey picture underneath and I'm not talking some anime chick but an actual centerfold , like Playboy caliber. Infact, come to think of it I think the name of the game had something to do with playboy. If anyone remembers this game, let me know the name it's pretty obscure.

  • AvIdGaMeR444

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:41 pm PT

    I never ever thought in a million years I'd see a woman NOT have a problem with adult themes in games. This is definitely a first. Then again...she is the founder....

  • living_wmd_888

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:40 pm PT

    There isn't really a way to make simulated sex fun. I mean, are you going to make a game where you simulate sexual movements with a Wii Remote (with a Wii Condom???) Besides, porn just looks cheap and trashy, with abysmal production values, and porn games will be the same. I can just see what would happen if a developer tried to push across a game with a rape scene in it.

    Besides, Americans play plenty of games that are flat-out banned in Germany (residual guilt over the Holocaust, I guess) and Australia.

  • Taegre

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:39 pm PT

    At the same time... would sex in a game be anywhere near as fun as violence?

  • Nawras

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:36 pm PT

    what a hoot... my bet is that she is unmarried with 19 cats

  • PumpkinBoogie

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:34 pm PT

    @ Icehearted,

    Very well said, and I definitely shared those same sediments in my post as well--I never could understand how one form could be so excepted--i.e. violence--yet on the other side of the coin other is either severely restricted or downright excluded, interesting from the SAME format....a video game. I read some on here asking how does sex equate to "maturity" of a game or it either that it doesn't so why add it? But like you mentioned (and I similarly stated as well), I don't think it's necessarily realistic to act as though it isn't a part of adult situations. And yes, it possible to at least add mild sexual situations that done tastefully if the game writer has the creativity to develop a strong story that may include it. Unfortunately, the gaming rating system has so many game writer and developers terrified of the "AO" that I think in some ways it can actually stifle new thoughts or different games that touch on deeper human/adult themes simply because most will be scared of having there creation shelved.

  • strawberry9

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:28 pm PT

    Okay... the sex scenes are nothing special... Nothing is even shown... They are making a big deal of this....

  • onthe_dl

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:21 pm PT

    it's funny you can show millions of decapitated bodies but the moment you show a womans nipple, shut down productions.

  • Pete5506

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:20 pm PT

    This was a funny thing to read, I dont see why people get so worked up about it

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    beutlich99

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:02 pm PT (hide)

    This woman's an idiot. No developer is going to even consider putting it in their games if people won't buy it, so for her to piss and moan about it being a ratings thing is ridiculous. Furthermore, why do video games need to have sex in them anyway? Is it somehow critical to the story of games or something? I've been playing video games a long time; there hasn't been sex in them, and I haven't once said to myself "Hmm, that was good, but could have been better with some sex in it."

  • OfficialBed

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:02 pm PT

    interesting stuff

  • Icehearted

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 8:01 pm PT

    I couldn't possibly agree with her more. I've never understood the oddball idea that virtually disemboweling someone is more acceptable than digital nipples. I think it can really be a positive addition to any game willing to show the guts to put a little more love with their bloodshed, or forgo the bloodshed and keep sexuality in a game. Doesn't have to be hardcore, but I'd still like to have the right to chose which content is right for me and not be guarded by a prudish system that thinks all gamers are kids.

    I'd like to see more actual "adult" themes and situations in my games, such as nudity, sexual content, or adult situations akin to what we might see in R-Rated (or even NC-17) movies. That's a medium that at least tries to treat their demographic as adults. Video games are not just for kids, and we are way past overdue for some actual progress in what we are permitted to experience for our money and time.

  • hunter8man

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:49 pm PT

    Well, of course they are. San Andreas didn't get a bit of publicity until the Hot Coffee mod was discovered. It's sad how this country is so afraid of sex, but waits until some kid shoots up his school to mention video game violence. This type of thinking will continue as long as idiots like Hillary Clinton and Jack Thompson stop trying to convince everyone that video games are still for kids.

  • Demoman286th

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:49 pm PT

    I like how people assume that sex = depravity and violence = maturity.

    Last time I checked, Gears of War proved just the opposite.

  • AlmostUndead

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:42 pm PT

    I guess ESRB likes killing and violence in games, instead of something that humans HAVE to do in real life in order to reproduce. Really makes sense. I think they should lighten up on everything and let devs let there artistic nature out instead of holding it back. I'm also disappointed about this to, I'm with Brenda.

  • mummyattack

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:38 pm PT

    sex is fun

  • xcollector

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:37 pm PT

    Sex is not important in video games unless its a porno video game. I feel the same way about movies and think it shouldn't really be in most movies to begin with. If you want to see boobies go watch a porno or play a porno video game. They are so easily available.

  • Mercanis

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:33 pm PT

    I don't really want sex in my video games. It's just awkward; they're virtual, after all.

  • another_drew

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:30 pm PT

    While I don't think full frontal, hardcore sex scene should be in games, I certainly don't disaggree that some level of sex should be tolerated. Hell even PG-13 movies have some level of sexual interaction. It's perfectly acceptable for movies, so why are video games so different?

  • polsci1503

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:28 pm PT

    How many movies have we seen where there were sex and nudity that didn't have to be shown, but were included just to pander to a segment of the audience that wants to see boobs. Inserting sex into games should be done on a level that makes sense to the story and characters.

    Leisure Suit Larry and other games focused on nudity and sex generally aren't good because the developers know that no matter how well the game is made it will sell the same amount of copies. The people buying it aren't interested in whether it is a AAA title or not, they want to see (overpriced) porn (save your money - buy a magazine). Better to not invest as much into development and get as much cash as you can from sales.

    Mass Effect has a huge storyline that has nothing to do with sex, but includes one scene depicting it in a grown up way. The later is fine, we don't need anymore of the former.

  • Lisandro_v22

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:28 pm PT

    a game where u kill people is for teenagers and when u see a tit it's adult only. I'm not saying they should ban violent games only that they should reconsider what they don't want teenagers to see.

  • MetalMan300

    Posted Feb 20, 2008 7:23 pm PT

    I have to agree with mjc0961. Since when has the lack of sex in a game made it a "Disney game"? Seriously, tossing that stuff in doesnt usually add to the game, and I really wouldnt care if it was left out of games altogether.

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