All this patent suing really getting to my nerves. If Sony decides to pull all their products from USA soils due to US companies using these patents tactics, then they can kiss their butts. There are other countries that are willing to buy Sony products without getting sued by these unknown companies... =( Soon Sony decides to opt that US don't need PS3 as the lawsuits cost them more that getting profits in sales of PS3 in USA.

Man, this is the last thing that Sony or its fans needs. I wonder if some of these companies just establish patents and then lurk around waiting for somebody to fall into their web of infringement. Granted, elliptic curve cryptography is no joke, but the only people that should be allowed to patent it (in my opinion) are the ones who first discovered the technique. Implementations based on somebody else's research shouldn't qualify.

Of Course, another company who just wants to take the easy way out and sue other companies. Of course the encryption looks similar, how many ways are there to encrypt information. It goes from the unencrypted form to the encrypted form and back. To encrypt information in transit is not a unique thing. I wish these kind of companies would get a life.

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what a waste of time i mean come on its ENCRYPTION only a really sad git would sue over that and ive noticed that its always sony gamespot - why not the other big lawsuits like M$ we all know they get many and their constant struggle with google and what have you............
anyways i just wasted a whole 2 minutes of my life

why does gamespot report all those frivilous lawsuits against sony anyway, id like a story every time microsoft gets sued please

PS3 up as a cheap Blu-Ray player and ignore the games... which seems to be the reason they ditched the 20Gb version of the console not so long ago.

Far from it, though they just introduced a $500 BD player. It was about the cost, and the 20GB unit was a bigger leach:

http://www.isuppli.com/news/default.asp?id=6919

This sounds like a dirty, frivolous lawsuit. Especially if you need to file it in a specific place in the US to give you the upper hand instead of relying on your patented documentation.

It's rather funny that most recent tech related patent infringement suits were filed in the same district.

Now this is just starting to sound like BS. The other suits I could understand, but this is just stupid. Sony is a big target with deep pockets, there are so many other products that are using security features like this, these people act like they are the first ones to use encryption and DRM tools...

you can see that they dont have much of a case just by the place where there filling the case. Its just like what happened with duelshock

I'm predicting what will ultimately happen, is that a consumer device will appear which will make the choice between blu-ray and hd-dvd totally transparent, ie a device which can play both formats - and like DVD players in a couple of years it will be so cheap that supermarkets are selling them.

"thekey: This is good news. When's the price drop coming?"

Just as soon as the 2nd battalion of flying pigs take off, if they drop the price they're scared people will just pick the PS3 up as a cheap Blu-Ray player and ignore the games... which seems to be the reason they ditched the 20Gb version of the console not so long ago.

This is good news.

When's the price drop coming?

Yes, more things go bad... but not bad enough. I will not be happy until I see the PS3 fall and Sony has no choice but to pull all PS3s off the shelves. The day people buy into Sony's so-called 'justifiable' blu-ray garbage will be a sad day indeed.

You know, I have been wondering how long it would be before a Canadian company decided to get in on this type of lawsuit. One has to wonder why they aren't suing the entire AACS Forum (or whatever the hell they are called), wait no nevermind I know why, Microsoft might have a bad rep but they still have one hell of a warchest.

Things just seem to get worse and worse for Sony.

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wow more things to go bad for sony

I'm sure Sony has had it's fair share of mishaps...They don't need this.

"This sounds like a dirty, frivolous lawsuit. Especially if you need to file it in a specific place in the US to give you the upper hand instead of relying on your patented documentation."

Maybe they're filing it there because anywhere else people like you always call patent violation suits dirty and frivolous.

"Certicom filed the suit in the Eastern District of Texas, Marshall Division, although none of the involved companies are based there."

This sounds like a dirty, frivolous lawsuit. Especially if you need to file it in a specific place in the US to give you the upper hand instead of relying on your patented documentation.

Good! I hope sony looses and has to fork over some more money.

If they stole it they need to pay. Simple as that.

Unfortunately this just means they might keep the cost of the PS3 high for a bit longer, so the consumers really end up paying for it.

The US Patent system needs to go through some major overhauls, but that is an entirely different discussion all together.

Wait.... what? Didn't MS get sued by Immersion for the same thing that Sony got sued for? Its not that Sony doesn't pay attention or just doesn't care. Its more that some of these pattents are so broad and generalized in their descriptions that somethings are going to come into there domian.

I think I am going to put in a pattent in for getting from one point in space to another piont in space. But not the same point in space. All car, plane and boat companies will owe me... I will rule the world.

Didn't Sony invent the airplane?

Well at least Microsoft knows how to talk and make deals with companies before releasing their products. Unlike Microsoft, Sony keeps on trying to move ahead totally oblivious to other companies that they keep on ignoring. So once again Sony sucks, but then again they always have.

wow..... I must say that this is lame, but I hope justice is served.

All I can say is... Again?

Sony or MS? The Smart folks on this site know that they are both monster companies with ridiculous profits... So your point is what exactly? That MS doesn't really care about us? Thanks for that Einstein, we are all wiser for it!

@ bcolter - Agreed. Thank you for stating the obvious, because sometimes the obvious becomes blurred on message boards. Sony has been the leader for years now, and that is one reason the backlash has been so bad. It's time to move on.

@ bcolter - "Grow Up Kids... put your loyalty into something which actually benifits human kind instead of a Multi Billion dollar corporation which really doesn't give a rats A$$ about YOU!" ok so definately not MS cuz Bill Gates is stinkin rich on his own and doesnt care. I see Sony trying new technology regardless if they suck or fail but they try. MS got wat? Vista? lol its Bill Gates and his billions of $ and MS that doesnt gives a rats @$$ cuz if they did then there wouldnt be a xbox360 problem by now.

The big players are always targets... Targets for law suits, FOD, you name it... Such is the nature of being the "leader". There are many gamers on this site who either blindly follow sony or blindly hate sony... and for them, yes they need to shut up. We need to start taking the "fanboys" to task (which ever side they are on), make being a fanboy unpopular. If we are critical of all company's, hardware/software... we will get better more affordable products...

Cheers!

@ bcolter - There is a difference between being critical and mindlessly bashing. Don't stop being critical. Look at the facts. Other companies are suposedly doing the same thing Sony is. Everyone just likes to take it home on Sony. I bet Certicom will pull up Sony's past in court, and that is why they chose to sue Blu-Ray and not HD-DVD. They will find it easier to make some quick cash. Besides, we don't even know Sony or the other companies are in the wrong as of now.

@ Warrzone - Why? Why should we stop being critical of sony?

Seriously, quit ragging on Sony. I know it's the popular thing to do nowadays, but get over it. HD-DVD supposedly violates this patent also. I don't think this suit will hold up in court. I think Certcom just wants to make a quick buck. That's one reason they chose the district they did. They know it's a ridiculous case, so they want their odds to be as good as they can be.

The loyalty to Sony on these forums is amazing... Its actually not amazing, its really STUPID! Grow Up Kids... put your loyalty into something which actually benifits human kind instead of a Multi Billion dollar corporation which really doesn't give a rats A$$ about YOU!

sony.....robbers of technology

I'm no leagal eagle, but if Sony was really the bad guy, they would've dragged it into court long ago and made the company bankrupt from it, then settled; but they actually talked about it first. I'm at least a little releaved that they aren't the monsters everyone has made them out to be.

Anyways, from what Decibyte said, it sounds like they shoud've settled; now, if they are in the wrong, Sony could counterfile for defimation of character, among other things.

Even if they loose this suit, which I'm sure they most likely won't, I'm surely it won't hurt them that much.

@ Decibyte: Thank you for doing some research before just coming out here and ranting. I am glad to see that some people can form educated opinions based on facts that they decided to go out and research before just spouting nonsense like some others tend to do. Thank you for being one of the few!

again??

So does Sony actually make anything on their own anymore or just steal everyone else's technology?

Lets hope that truth wins on the day, not greed or any other falseness of mistake !

leave sony alone guys....

Here we go again.

I wonder if this will be in the next Phoenix Wright Game.

"rpgisforme Hey to all all of you going on in the i'm losing my faith in Sony crap read the article. They are still in talks with other companies because hd-dvd also uses the AACS standard, so I guess Sony ain't alone here. Sony was sued also for the game controller, but so was Microsoft, the only diff s Microsoft settled out of court to save themselves the bad press. If you lose faith in Sony over this, ya better be rethinking X-box too huh? I still love you Sony"
thats correct, microsoft settled out of court, instead of trying to fight it off (most likely much cheaper, and xbox 360 controllers still have rumble)

Guys guys. Chill out. Sony is not going to "die" or anything like that. It is a huge international company that has it's fingers in so many pies that it doesn't even know what they look like anymore.

Read rpgisforme's comment. He or she talk's sense.

Hey to all all of you going on in the i'm losing my faith in Sony crap read the article. They are still in talks with other companies because hd-dvd also uses the AACS standard, so I guess Sony ain't alone here. Sony was sued also for the game controller, but so was Microsoft, the only diff s Microsoft settled out of court to save themselves the bad press. If you lose faith in Sony over this, ya better be rethinking X-box too huh? I still love you Sony!

I hope multiple lawsuits don't bring about Sony's eventual downfall...

this is freakin BS! left and right sony sued for this sony sued for that! why couldnt this have allll been resoled b4 the freakin system came out in the first place?! so hee77 yea im mad! i had a 360, it was great...till it broke 2 weeks later. but it was still pretty good. got my money back tho so i've been waiting for certain stuff to happen on the PS3 but man, how the heck is anything gunna happen with all this BS?! this is BS!!!! freakin dang it man! CRAP! its been tooo freakin long since i've even so much as PLAYED next-gen. i ant my own system. rant rant rant. freakin sony man. get it together. and all you freaktoids suing sony, WTF?! microsoft is behind it all. Bill has friends you know.

All these patent sues is really affecting my confidence in Sony. Plus everyone wants the PS3 to come down in price but that won't happen if Sony have to cover all these legal fees.