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Kutaragi: Sony hardware "in decline"

Speaking frankly to Reuters, the Sony Computer Entertainment president and CEO concedes European PS3 delay has hurt his company's console pole position.

Last week, Sony spawned a cavalcade of negative news reports when it announced it had delayed the European launch of the PlayStation 3 until March 2007.

Nearly simultaneously, the company revealed that instead of having 2 million PS3s available at launch in the US and Japan, the company would only have 500,000. Of those, 100,000 would be allocated to the console's November 11 Japanese debut, and 400,000 would be sent to North America, where the console goes on sale November 17.

Needless to say, the gaming press had a veritable field day with Sony's misfortunes, spawning accusations of bias--and everything else short of human trafficking--from the PlayStation faithful. Today, though, the leader of their flock, Sony Computer Entertainment president and CEO Ken Kutaragi, conceded to the Reuters news service that the European delay and American-Japanese launch-shipment reduction had set his company back in the next-gen console conflict.

"If you asked me if Sony's strength in hardware was in decline, right now I guess I would have to say that might be true," Kutaragi told Reuters, in a moment of candor rare in the tightly controlled information flow currently endemic in game-industry media relations.

The Reuters report went on to quote analysts' doubts about Sony's strategy. Mitsushige Akino, chief fund manager at Ichiyoshi Investment Management, told the news-wire service, "All of this has raised concerns about whether there is something fundamentally wrong with Sony's manufacturing process, and it could further damage the Sony brand."

The report went on to cite the recent Sony laptop battery recall as another problem that is dogging the iconic electronics giant, whose PlayStation 2 is by far the most popular console on the market today. However, that market-share strength and the company's traditional resilience has even its skeptics harboring hope. "Sony has no doubt passed through the worst stage," said Akino. "But investors can't let their guard down."

491 Comments

  • joshzen

    Posted Sep 20, 2006 10:06 am GMT

    I love how people quote the betamax vs VHS wars. Most of them were'nt even a dirty thought in their parents minds yet. Rarson, your right on dude. I preach this all the time. Competition is good. Lets all hope Sony, Nintendo, & Microsoft carve niches and do well.. Its called a "MARKET ECONOMY" kids.

  • thisusernameisn

    Posted Sep 19, 2006 2:41 pm GMT

    Oh, so by your logic, you are simply better than some people because you have money? What a douche...

  • cyborg100000

    Posted Sep 19, 2006 10:18 am GMT

    None of you own sony so why are you acting like its your company? Let them do their job they have tried hard to work on the ps3 and to get it shipped in the shortest possible time. you can all go and F**k yourselves while sony makes massive profit on ps3 while people who can actually afford ps3 enjoy themselves on the most put-in-effort on a console.

  • rarson

    Posted Sep 18, 2006 5:00 pm GMT

    Whoa, slow down there fanboy. First of all, you need a new keyboard, one with a functioning Caps Lock key. Secondly, way to paint a brilliant picture of yourself. Let's all randomly speculate and sum up the future of videogames in absolutes.

    You know what, Andrain14? You're totally right! Sony sucks, and they are going to lose! They are going to go out of business! YES!! Because I hate competition!! I want MS to dominate the games market, and that way they won't have to sell consoles at cost, and they won't have to make good games because there'll be no competition! Yes!!! That would be so freaking awesome!

  • Andrain14

    Posted Sep 18, 2006 4:42 pm GMT

    i just gotta say 2 things 1. CYBORG YOUR HELLA GAY!
    2. XBOX 360 IS GONNA WIN THE MARKET SHARE SONY SHOULDN'T EVEN MAKE THE PS3 ITS OVER PRICED AND BLU-RAY WILL BE DEAD TECHNOLOGY BY THE TIME IT COMES OUT. IT WILL BE JUST LIKE THE BETTAMAX VS. VHS WARS SONYS GONNA LOSE AGAIN IN MORE THEN 1 WAY THOUGH SONY SUCKS YOU GUYS R ALL LOSERS THAT SAY THEY CAN WIN !

  • kavadias1981

    Posted Sep 18, 2006 7:00 am GMT

    Check out the GameFAQS polls. In order of what people actually want.

    1. Wii (Console for the masses)
    2. PS3 (Console for the technogeeks)
    3.360 (Console for just geeks)

    I think that says it all. Now i'm off to play with my PS2 (Console owned by the masses) or my Gamecube (owned by...just me).

  • MasterAsh42

    Posted Sep 17, 2006 3:35 pm GMT

    You know, I almost feel bad for Ken. . .

    Then I remember Sony's pre-E3 conference this year. . .

  • 1asdfqwerty1

    Posted Sep 17, 2006 12:51 pm GMT

    Anyone endowed with sense is going to buy a Wii.

  • soniqstylz

    Posted Sep 17, 2006 10:49 am GMT

    >>p.s gamecube had better graphics them ps2 could handle, and ps3 is only 2x better better lol nintendo is hungry for another kill this year .

    This comment confused me. PS3 is about 30x's more powerful than the PS2.

  • Mechacow

    Posted Sep 17, 2006 10:13 am GMT

    All I care about is the PS3's free online play, exclusive Metal Gear Solid games, and graphical power. They'd have to screw up all three before I started caring about any problems. I'll have to preorder a PS3 quickly now though otherwise I won't get one! PS3 and Wii FTW. And 360 can't come out on top everywhere, keep in mind that it sold nothing in Japapn.

  • XStarSiegeX

    Posted Sep 16, 2006 8:07 pm GMT

    i couldnt give a crap about any1 winnin, just as long as i get my games

  • the_junk

    Posted Sep 16, 2006 4:43 pm GMT

    The first step is admitting you have a problem. lol Sony just isnt doing very well are they

  • Sydwynder

    Posted Sep 16, 2006 3:43 pm GMT

    The casual gamers, of whom there are many, can't afford a PS3 in the next two years. They have better places to spend 600 dollars. The sales will pickup once the price comes down, but Playstations market share WILL be lessened a fair bit.

  • n2Deepeth

    Posted Sep 16, 2006 1:15 pm GMT

    I wonder if stockholders are going to pay attention to this kind of news.

  • kirby_uk

    Posted Sep 16, 2006 12:31 pm GMT

    Whatever the sales are, Nintendo will come out on top. They are the only ones making money from their consoles and will be in a healthy financial position to make even more great games for decades.

  • olthof

    Posted Sep 16, 2006 8:47 am GMT

    1. Microsoft Xbox 360
    2. Nintendo Wii
    3. Sony PS3

  • cameron_love

    Posted Sep 16, 2006 7:42 am GMT

    Methinks a certain Sony CEO is losing faith in his company and might be out there door in a few weeks if the shareholders have their way.

  • LordelX

    Posted Sep 16, 2006 4:58 am GMT

    PS3 will not dominate this generation.......but Sony certainly isn't in any trouble. A little slip from the top on Sony's behalf is good for the market, good for developers and it's good for game players....especially Sony fanboys. I don't understand why people are wasting their breath on these message boardsm trying to reassure us on Sony's longevity. Sony will be fine, and they don't need to be at the dominating #1 market share to be extremely profitable. If they've sold 5 million PS3s in the next 2 years worldwide at the price their asking, they'll be fine. Everyone chill.

  • chromium42

    Posted Sep 16, 2006 4:41 am GMT

    The bigger issue at hand here is Sony's image to 3rd party developers; that's where the money lies. With all of these crazy decisions (including blu-ray, extremely high-priced, and now limited supplies and a staggered launch schedule) those developers are getting nervous and likely irritated with Sony. They may not be willing to invest the millions of dollars it takes to produce a PS3 title when they can focus on 360 or Wii, that already have a solid hardware strategy (360 already has a pretty good install base of users).

    The shortages just make Sony look silly, and the high price makes them look totally out of touch with the typical gamer.

  • Manatassi

    Posted Sep 15, 2006 11:26 pm GMT

    Yeh alifont... Because after the NES' and the SNES' overwhelming domination of the games market the N64 was just a sure fire hit!!


    oh...

  • Ices100

    Posted Sep 15, 2006 11:24 pm GMT

    If you anything about a business then you would know that anything to sway people from buying theri stock, so that would hurt the comanies reputation , and at the place where they get their money the buyers. I mean look at Donald Trump he was rich twice, and made some business mistakes but somehow came back to become more successful again. Sony doesn't make much good things nowadays, and really though i couldn't care less since i don't purchase anything from them. the only reason alot of people have a ps2 is cause of 12 different versions of the system, and they can find the games online for free, and frankly even that is losing it's vigor that it once had.....mostly because of the same game year after year.

    p.s gamecube had better graphics them ps2 could handle, and ps3 is only 2x better better lol nintendo is hungry for another kill this year .

  • _Sam_

    Posted Sep 14, 2006 3:48 pm GMT

    I still love their hardware

  • alifont

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 9:56 pm GMT

    A user said that : "Sony will fall"

    I think that statement is pretty shortsighted because you can't just assume that a multi-billion dollar empire will crumble just because of a few minor setbacks in one of it's less profitable divisions.

    Sony makes most of its money from its wide range of electronics as well as the music and movies it produces, in spite of the fact that its Playstation company is the most successful gaming company of all time.

    However, if what you really meant to say was "Playstation will fall" then that is still pretty shortsighted because, based on the overwhelming success of the PS1 and PS2 and the fact that Playstation has attained the largest fan base of any other gaming franchise, the PS3 is expected to sell like hot cakes.

  • e_boulanger

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 4:55 pm GMT

    It's good to see Kutaragi admit something like that for once. It shows than Sony is not entirely full of itself. But I don't think it's going to be that bad for Sony. Next-gen games are still in their infancy. What we have seen so far on the 360 is just games with better graphics. Because as far as gameplay goes, it's still the same than the current gen consoles.

    In fact, some of the best games to comes in the next months will be on current-gen consoles: FF XII, Guitar Hero II, etc... Let's hope that the PS3 launch won't reveal any big flaw in the console design (I already see one with the front loading drive... guess what will happen to your CDs... I predict a lot of scratches).

  • cyborg100000

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 3:29 pm GMT

    GrimBee...
    First off i was saying ps3 has more power out of all three consoles i wasnt inclusing the pc which gets monthly updates so its almost impossible for a console to rival a pc AND a ps3 will be the only console to get hardware upgrades on a regular basis to keep graphics looking up to date and to keep the game running smoothly. If you look at the wii's top 10 games you will laugh. They all look so immature and boring to play i mean what person other than a kid would wanna play zelda instead of MGS4 or act of war? And when will you get that games can have good graphics an gameplay too. Just becaues ps3 has good graphics doesnt mean the gameplay will be crap. Wii has made a mistake by adding poor graphics. I hate playing games with poor graphics for its time it makes the game seem dull. Anyway ps3 shall sell really well when i comes out £430 isnt expensive to what they are putting in their console. Hey ITS NEXT GENERATION! your gonna have to pay more for a better console. Ps3 IS a wii and a 360 put together, it has an equal variety of games from both sides (MGS4, killzone etc) to give it 360 style, (sonic, spyro, kamaturi etc) for wii style. and it has more advanced graphics and power, oh yeah blu-ray too. Sony seem to be the only company to have put the most effort in for their console. Wii only has a small variety of hardcore rpg's + FPS's and too many platformers + weird games suited for the controller only. It will feel pretty limited just like the gamecube. 360 at the moment features too few platformers and non-serious games and too many rpg's + fps's. But PS3 have a huge variety of games aleady for everyone to enjoy. Blu-ray is gonna be visually better than HD and that has been proven already. And if you want to go with the revolution ps3 has their new tilt sensing controller, virtual card game and a lot of other new stuff too. Reminder - PS3 will use graphics, fun AND gameplay in their games grimbee but the only thing wii has is fun + gameplay they are missing an element. Get down on all fours and worship sony, do it, do it...do it

  • macperfo

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 12:15 pm GMT

    360 ut in market
    PS3: not out in market
    360: tons of games
    PS3: no games
    Sony has always had the philosiphy that " our sh*t doesn't stink" that's why it is taken so long because they think their systems have a 10 year shelf life! Sorry guys i'd like to chat longer but I have to get back to Ape Escape!

  • kenshinhimura16

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 11:55 am GMT

    banderilo, that name is the name of my yahoo account that I use to subscribe to stuff. I has more than 6 years now so dont think that I chose it as of now, its just to keep all my subscriptions alive thats it, and it easy to handle 1 account than several ones

  • ssjtrunks6

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 9:46 am GMT

    This must be the popular game system or something, this poll has more recent posts than just about all the other posts combined but all these messages and stuff I figured people would have gotten bored of keeping up the fight of this pointless console war

  • kordobachi

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 9:03 am GMT

    Awww..........rpgisforme. You seem to put everything in perspective. Ah now that i think of it, I too have alot of good memories with my ps1 & 2. ^^ Im happy................

  • rpgisforme

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 6:19 am GMT

    All I want to say about the whole thing is first of all, I'm not a fanboy. Second is, sure Sony is getting alot of bad press right now but I have very vivid memories of days and sometimes even weeks going bad from the moment I woke up in the morning. Days where Murphy's law has taken complete control of my life and is holding on with a death grip. Days and like I said sometimes even weeks where no matter how hard I try or what I do everything I touch just turns to ash in my hand and there is nothing I can do about it. I put it down to Sony is just having a bad day. If anyone can name me a company or person who has never had a bad day or put out a product with some problems I would love to hear it. Everyone on the face of this beautiful planet has made something, be it an art project or lego building that did not work as they had planned. I will buy a ps3 with no second thoughts and I will not complain about the price tag and do you want to know why?? Simply because the countless hours of pure enjoyment that my ps and ps2 has given me over the years is priceless. The hours of playing video games with my children and hearing them later tell their friends about how cool their Mom is. The hours I have spent laughing so hard I have tears running down my face playing four ways in a WW2 shooter with my husband, my brother and his Fiancee, and last but not least the hours it has given me of just turning on a game and taking a reality break from life when things are not going so well, like the before mentioned times when Murphy's law has a death grip on my life. I thank Sony for those things. I look forward to continue to help my children with difficult boss battles. I look forward to more extremely late evenings of shooting my little brother in a video game because I'm not allowed to shoot him in real life no matter how much he bugs me. I look forward to the days when my life seems to suck being able to completely lose myself in a Final Fantasy. Instead of focusing on the negative why don't some of you look at the positive, look at what Sony has given you and cut them some slack, everyone is entitled to have a bad day.

  • yanks1112

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 6:08 am GMT

    WOW....

  • jmoorton

    Posted Sep 13, 2006 4:21 am GMT

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  • zippyzee

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 11:28 pm GMT

    sony will fall.

    wii60

  • SpaceCowboy68

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 9:54 pm GMT

    Don't be so sure Blu-ray will win the race. Remember Betamax and Mini-disc! Maybe this time Sony will succeed, but nobody can be sure right now.

  • kenshinhimura16

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 8:15 pm GMT

    HD-DVD is just as the 99-120minutes CD´s, they had to compete with a higher storage format, and lost.

  • Lord_Sun_Ce

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 7:40 pm GMT

    If Microsoft doesn't come out with the HD add-on soon enough, and enough people realize that if you buy all of the 360 add-ons it's pretty much a PS3 (but sams stuff), then Blu-Ray will probably win. Not so much because of the backing for Blu-Ray, but because people WILL buy the PS3--simple market fact. Where there is demand, the product will sell. Now, not everyone who has a 360 (because they thought the PS3 was too high) will buy an HD add-on when they have a DVD drive. However, those who buy the PS3 will think "what the heck" the next time they are at a movie store. I mean, what's the big difference between ten and twenty bucks when you just shelled out $600?

    So if Blu-Ray succeeds, the PS3 is a mainstay simply because a.) it'd be the cheaper alternative to a BluRay player, and b.) the duality of its functions allow for an easy setup for a home theater. So, at that point, Sony wins. Not in the game department, but due to the overwhelming support for Blu-Ray, game developers realize the correlation. Microsoft really shouldn't care about releasing the HD drive anyways, because they should be more worried about games. If they can push out enough good games, then they shift the balance against Sony and their beloved Blu-Ray.

    Anyways, I'm thinking the current "war" will end in a stalemate as Blu-Ray takes over as the dominant movie format for the future, allowing for the PS3 to stay in the market with probably a 20-summad share of the market. Wii succeeds in the nitch department, and the 360 spars with the PS3 over internet gameplay. In the end, no one wins, except the gamer: cheaper prices for all, thanks to the nifty little thing called COMPETITION. No one needs to see the Wii put on the backburner if the PS3 fails and the 360 takes on the role as the "big brother."

  • kenshinhimura16

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 6:49 pm GMT

    Grimbee, I dont whant to start a fight, and Im not doing this as a fanboy that Im not. I respect you previous posts, as I respect many of the post be it lame, insulting, supportive, etc. If you find anything offensive, its just because from where Im from, normally we dont play that much, especially at your probable age.

    I remember that you said that graphics really didnt matter right grimbee; but if I quote you correctly:
    "I am in two minds whether to get a 360 or a ps3. Some titles which attract me to the 360 are dead rising, gta4, halo 3 (not that i liked 1 or 2 that much, but the videos looked interesting if THATS ingame graphics like).. But once the next gen consoles come out, so will the next gen games."

    There you are contradicting yourself. You say you like HALO 3 not only because gameplay but also because "graphics". I dont want to start a fight because of this, but if you are married, then you must be over 20 , I regret about thinking you were a brat, but then again, what do you work of? Im 20 and I barely have enough time to play my own console(PS 2 and GBA and GC). Between University; studying, work and seeing friends, I can barely play any of my consoles. I actually love the MGS saga, and I owe that to a pal of mine that told me to play the PS MGS, since then I fall in love with the saga. I also like Zelda and Final Fantasy. I dont like 360 games cause they run in my pc, and as I dont give a damn(pardon the expression) about graphics I dont mind playing them in SUPER low def. In fact, most people like the Story of the game, and how the game involves you with its plot and characters. I can see why you think Sony will not lead the next gen race, but then again; Sony´s PS 2 was also given the high price tag when it was launched. Now I dont know what did you study, but Im studying BA, and by the looks of sonys actions, and problems, they dont seem to be going to be killed because of PS3. In fact, they may not win but they wont dissapear. PS will continue to exist. Nintendo had the same problem with the N64 cartridges but they didnt died. Im using this as a reference, as you may know, because you have been playing a wanna-be-a-lawyer game, are used ONLY as reference and not as proof of what is to come. Now I havent played any DS games cause I dont have one, and Im not planning of getting one. And if you didnt know, there IS people who buys consoles just for 1 or few games. I bought a GC 2 weeks ago just to play the upcoming Zelda game, and Im not getting the Wii because right now it doesnt have anything that I couldnt play for 5 cents at my arcades round the corner.

    Now regarding the subject of Japan having less launch consoles than USA: Sony is aiming to win a market-place they know is in dispute. They know that Japan isnt as closed as USA market seems to be to the fact of buying 2 or more consoles. Economical facts: Japan is one of the countries with the highest cost of life in the world, the reasons are because Japan is a country that even though is not growing as fast as it used to be, mainly because it reached his limits, has sustained a standar of life that is higher than any other country(they are not using their money either on armys or security, because they use it in education). That is to say people in Japan win more money than people in other countries, but they have to spend most of it in buying their daily needs products. Nonetheless, they still have more money to spend than your average consumer in other places. So that said, PS 3 will be sold easily in Japan, because 1-they dont like the Xbox(I wont state any statement here because it would be guessing, and saying that J-youth hates USA is not a correct answer) 2-they like both Nintendo And Sony the same, they may still be some prefs, but lets remeber that Nintendo makes the games that they like the most(because of gameplay as you stated earlier), and Sony just gives the coup´d grace with their other releases, just as many anime games that never saw light outside of Japan. Ive tried some of those because Ive had a hacked PS/PS 2. But now I m going legit because the game producers deserve our support.

    Last thing grimbee, regarding the previous post, that will soon be erased, It was writen by my younger brother, that trruly is a fanboy, but about tastes, there is nothing writen(I dont know if it is the actual phrase, Im translating it from spanish). So Im sorry for his impoliteness, I dont agree with that, but he is home earlier than I am so he gets to the PC earlier.
    One final thing, in this wars, we should start considering more about the gameplay rather than how realistic it would be, I know that there is some people that doesnt care about waiting or paying the over 600 U$S price of PS 3(One of them is me, because Ive been saving for it the last 2 years) and there are some that DO care about it. I dont remember the actual poster of this, but he said something like this:Let anyone buy whatever they whant, we have enough fights going on in the world, and having this kind of fight over something as simple as a game is just not worth of our time"
    And guess what, he is right, we should be reading more, or studying instead of wasting our time in pointless topics such as this. The incompetence make the people easy to handle, and as that was said some houndreads of years ago, it is still truth and its happening now.

    I know that you are going to analyse this and object about some others too, but just one more final thing that I would like to say. Im writting this instead of playing my PS 2, because lately I whant to see what is happening in the gaming market, as Im going to use most of this as the topic of my final work, that I will be giving away in late december.

  • Benderill0

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 6:32 pm GMT

    I'd hate to flame here but kenshinhimura, he wasn't acting like phoenix wright, he was saying that he's sorry if he comes off that way, and look at your name, wtf is that some samurai crap or something, yeah, samurais are all the rage right now, there so cool right? not really, now i feel terrible because im a flamer and i hate flamers so much but i hate people like you acting like your so cool when your obviously not. also for my opinion on this article. i agree that sony is totally screwing themselves and im not going to buy ps3 until im sure that it's actually worth it. xbox 360 is gonna get good games as time progresses and the wii is shaping up to be pretty good from my view, but in no way can i predict it so this is just my opinion.

  • TleeBlue

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 6:21 pm GMT

    Geez what's wrong with slightly long post? First, if you think that you can't handle long post, don't read it for god sake. Personally, I didn't think it was that long and although he didn't say anything that is totally new to system war forum and didn't make an argument that is so convincing, I would say if you want to make long post to express your opinion that I am totally fine with it (Freedom of speech plz). By the way, I am not English native speaker at all and for the most of my life I never spoke English. Yet, I find it odd that some people become baffled at that little post.

  • Kaizen4

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 6:02 pm GMT

    Although I agree the post was VERY long, I kinda think Grimbee was right in a lot of what he said...and for the record kenshinhimura16 I bought a Gamecube when they became cheap, I wanted one ever since I got my DS. I was one of the "Sega Kids," in the playground, so I missed out on a lot of Nintendos' titiles. I spent a lot of time deciding between the PSP and DS...but when it came down to it, my Xbox did everything a PS2 could do, and in no way did I want a handheld PS2...which lets face it, a PSP is basically a stripped down, handheld PS2. So I bought a DS, and found a lot of games with crappy graphics and crappy sound. But I still play my DS because it offers something original, which is where the Wii should slot in quite nicely. Yeah, it might not be able to do some of the stuff the PS3 and 360 can do, but if it makes me and my friends smile - I'm in. The PS3 could be one of the most amazing gaming experiences around, it may be graphically amazing...but neither myself or anybody in this forum can prove anything yet, and until we can actually play it and see for ourselves, it is pointless to argue for or against the system. What we can complain about is the way Sony has treated it's customers like idiots, and if people want to defend or argue against a system which isn't even out yet..they deserve to be treated that way.

  • XBOXSUCKS847

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 5:55 pm GMT

    bored i guess your right with that one even though i think this launch will be more stable, your also right about the nintendo systems never going bad, i have yet to have a nintendo system die on its own and not by some physical attack

  • kenshinhimura16

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 5:31 pm GMT

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  • Joe_11

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 5:24 pm GMT

    I am rapidly discovering that my faith in Sony has become far from minimal. I don't think I am going to be able to confidently invest in a Sony PS3.

  • GrimBee

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 5:15 pm GMT

    Was it really nescessary to count the paragraphs?
    I may take a while to make my point, but i personally much rather read long indepth posts and thoughts, rather than 30 odd pointless, biased and just idiotic ones.

    Was it really nescessary using only one line to explain your thoughts, and then use two to slate me? all on a tiny news article? All in all, you didn't even read what I had to say. So that in itself makes you to be making no sense, at all. Nice try at flaming me though

  • PoopTete

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 5:05 pm GMT

    sony just keeps digging themselves a deeper and deeper grave. and GrimBee, was it really necessary to post a 30 paragraph essay on a tiny news article? i didnt even read it but seriously thats ridiculous

  • GrimBee

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 4:47 pm GMT

    xboxsucks847.. i thank you for adjusting your testimony. I accept this testimony into the court record. Congratulations, from a clear and precise point of view, the gamespot community can see WHY people support the ps3 still after the wake of such awful news and setbacks.

    Look guys, im not trying to jack people up by pretending to be phoenix wright, and finding inconsitencies in their posts.. But it worked. I found out some contradictions, but half of you dont have the guile or evidence to prove your statements.

    For example, i can simply say "nah, wii will rule because it has the best games and will rule because nintendo are always awesome".

    You could simply object to that blatant fanboyism, because 1) i did not say WHY i thought this, and 2) i did not relate my point to anything else except "the best" or "nintendo are always awesome". Without proving my comments, i would of been seen as a fanboy.

    HOWEVER, if i said this "nah, i just want to get a wii because i would like to get a 360 aswell. Getting a ps3 for me isnt good because i could be having TWICE the fun, for the same price. And besides, i prefer nintendo exclusive titles, and xbox 360 has gta 4 on the way so im happy with those titles, mgs doesnt interest me".

    THAT point is a good one. And basically, that is like the point of the majority here. And its also a popular concept, proven both by sony, various news companies, gamespot, and even the people who WERE buy a ps3.

    The reason for me writing stuff here is to just make people sure that fanboys arent going to come in here in full force after the wake, and just spout off some nonsense.
    I tried to extinguish this, with a bit of Phoenix humour.. Its just not good for ANYONE to say their thoughts without reasons why. Im tired of fanboys. For me, honestly, i want to get a wii because of the titles and possibilities and fun i can have with friends who are also getting one (tennis, golf, fps games, and resident evil 4!) so we can just bring our remotes down and play.

    I am in two minds whether to get a 360 or a ps3. Some titles which attract me to the 360 are dead rising, gta4, halo 3 (not that i liked 1 or 2 that much, but the videos looked interesting if THATS ingame graphics like).. But once the next gen consoles come out, so will the next gen games.

    And if silent hill 5 is on the 360's list.. dude, im there. Because right on day one i will have dead rising, sonic, and silent hill 5.. all on one console. I would love to play mgs4 (im a big big fan of metal gear, its one of the only games i got my wife to watch all the way though, and now even SHE is excited to see mgs4, and she didnt even PLAY the others!). But taking £500 out of our marriage for just ONE game? No thanks.

    I am totally peeved at sony. I was kinda all for the ps3. I was like "well, i will have no choice but to get one, as a gamer, i need to get a console with the games i like on it".
    But it doesnt matter what happens, devs will make the games for the popular consoles. this is an honest true fact.
    And also a reason why resi 4 became a ps2 title, why code veronica never stayed a dreamcast exclusive.. its because once one format gets old, devs move to where there is more people.

    All sony have done so far is ward people off the ps3, and with even LESS ps3's coming out, and most of them being the $600 versions with no hdmi cables, its like you arent meant to get one at all.
    For me, i like to get things in order, and basically, for christmas i will have loads of money left and organised to perfection to what i wanna get.

    I had the ps3 in my plan, until last week.. So you can see the dissatisfaction with sony right there. And it makes that £500 price not nice at ALL. I mean, you wouldnt pay full whack for a £25 dvd if it has been out already for a price of £10.

    For me, its like this - You walk round your local HMV store, you pick up a dvd and see its a full £19.99 price.
    You go to the counter.. almost pay for it and then you see the shelf, with the SAME title, but with a £5 sticker on it.

    Luckily for me i saw that price sticker (the wii and the 360) and the possibilities of "bang for buck".
    This is why im so trying to put those fanboys to justice. Because this time it REALLY doesnt make sense.
    If people say "i want a ps3 because of all the great variety of games coming out". You cant compare a ps3 lanch lineup to that of other consoles and call those games "not as good as the ps3 lineup". You can say some titles you prefer (a game series sequel for example, or just a title you would like to play (like red steel for another example) because there is a reason enough for you to anticipate the console, but just ONE game is not an argument of the success of a console...

    No matter what the ps3 offers, its got its nuts in a vice when it delayed it for us, and made it $600, and didnt include the hdmi cables.. Developers have said "stuff this, im going to the wii and the 360". Games like all the 2k series, EA games, pro evo.. gta 4.. all those massive titles everyone thought would be loyal to the ps3 have gone for a more favourable xbox 360 lineup too.

    For those people to swap places like that, and offer the games before the ps3 versions... its insane considering the ps3 is supposed to be this great awesome system.

    All im saying is, that it doesnt matter what any ps3 fanboy says, there is always proof and competition there right now which proves them wrong.
    Im not saying "dont buy a ps3 coz its crap" i dont think that at all. Im just trying to get single minded people to stop thinking so blindly, and to get them to think of the facts and the things out there right now, and the possibilities of a death of a ps3.

    I dont think the ps3 will die, but i think it will be a very VERY hard sob story if blu ray fails to capture us and hd dvd wins.
    This means BILLIONS lost for sony, this means they cant drop ps3 prices without removingthe blu ray drive.. this means that basically all the ps3 stands for is taken away . and even then, it will have to compete with same-league consoles which are far cheaper, have equal or more developers and have more games.

    Each ps3 fanboy mentions "graphics" like the xbox 360 is crap. The reason why you may not be inpressed with 360 titles is because the next gen game development hasnt really started yet. Until all consoles are out there, thats what it is going to be like until ALL consoles are out there, and each developer wants to out-do themselves to sell more games.

    Dead Rising, id say, is a true next gen title. Never before have i seen so many zombies, and killing them is just crazy fun. I wouldnt see this on a PC right now, or especially a current gen console.

    The next gen titles are leaking in slowly. And i think once games like Sonic come out, assasins creed.. all those titles which will be out for ps3 too. People arent going to see an incredible difference. Especially not a $400 difference between the two consoles.

    Its hard not to ignore that fact, but fanboys do. And i was trying to rule that out. Not just slate everyone i see, or make myself out to be a nintendo or 360 fanboy.

    Im all for the games. I slated the ds when it came out as being "too bulky, bad graphics and games (when selecting king kong ds vs psp.. ridge racer ds vs psp ridge racer...burnout ds vs psp burnout...). I thought the psp was the best..
    But the psp was too pricey for me to get one at the time, so i saw sonic for the ds (i love sonic) and just got that, because i got it all for £99. Whereas the psp was £199.99!!!

    I ended up seeing how awesome the ds was then, size and all. It lacked the movies and mp3, but i didnt care at all. It was awesome, sonic, phoenix wright, trauma centre, advance wars, castlevania, then metroid and super mario bros.. I eventually got a psp after much debate, but it was only because i could get the 1.5 firmware on it. And i only have a few games and one umd movie (silent hill experience). Basically, for my money, i had more fun with the ds. My wife had more fun with the ds.. and now, im thinking "hey.. so cost doesnt always reflect what you get.."

    You cant really deny how nintendo have totally done sony over. Everyone thought because the psp's specs were far greater.. it would sell more than nintendo ds..
    But then the ds lite came out, totally blowed the psp out of the water. Software sells more than ANY other console, hardware sells more than ANY other console. The entire buzz of nintendo now REALLY is something to consider, their track record with the ds only helps us think more positively about it.

    With the 360, and its dropping price, more impressive games library as the weeks roll in.. you can only see GOOD things coming from M$ and Nintendo.. whereas all the while ps3 is only giving us more bad news, less exclusive titles.. and the less NEED to buy a ps3.
    This is what i am arguing about. Some facts and thoughts people seem to totally overlook.

    Even gamespot staff think along the same lines as me. Some dont care, some do.. But at least they arent like "ps3 pwns n00bs 360 sucks". Nobody likes views like that. Should only be on a system wars forum if it doesnt have any valid reasons or explanations for these thoughts.

    Im just generally annoyed, and blurbing, and this is how this whole sony shennanigan got me riled up. If i hadnt of cared, i wouldnt be here typing about it.
    I was a loyal customer to sony, right up until i saw that i actually got ripped off! my psp is nigh on useless (except for people doing stuff sony doesnt want them to do). I hardly ever use my psp now except for homebrew, and waiting for silent hill origins... That track record in itself is enough for me to believe that sony may not have enough POWER as it used to to live to its claims. and this very news we are posting about is a FACT that the ps3 is not going to be as great, because sony have lost that edge, that selling power..

  • XBOXSUCKS847

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 4:32 pm GMT

    it was 2 million....tru the reason there is bad news is because gamespot is trying to convert everyone to xbox lol hahaha seriously though stop with bad news on sony every 3 days its getting old

  • Bored1ed

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 4:32 pm GMT

    actually XBOXSUCKS, Everything Sony launches has bad parts and has had issues. Thats how they do business. But all companies are like that. Like Microsoft, my buddies 360 just stopped one night and he called M$. They told his 360 had a known hardware-software conflict and it needed repair. BUT since he was 5 days past his warrenty it would cost $130. To me after dishing out alot of dough for these systems, they should repair it for free or they shoudn't break so soon. I have systems that are 20 years old and work perfectly. Anyway after that I decided the only system I'm getting is the Wii since I have not had one Nintendo product go bad on me + I'll upgrade my PC.

  • Rayze78

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 4:31 pm GMT

    Actually gggames, the hd-dvd isnt even going to be used for games, which sucks for 360. Who the hell wants to use their 360 for movies anyways? I got it (won it actually) for games. But having huge specs doesnt make the system. They say that the PS2's potential was never even close to being tapped. The Wii's specs obviously dont compare, but its the most unique and innovative sounding of the 3. Specs dont win, its the games that win the console war. Look back into the past....8 bit NES games were better than Sega Genesis' 16 bit ones. But thats just my opinion.

  • Truvietplaya

    Posted Sep 12, 2006 4:29 pm GMT

    For some reason there are bad news coming out for Sony one after another. I was a big Playstation fan but not anymore. I have dedicated myself to any consoles that bring out good games and be all that they can be. Sony need to stop making promises and show more action. I already have a 360 and next in line is the Wii. PS3 is not on my to buy list until next year. I have to see how launch is going to be for them and I'm not going to break my leg over them after hearing all this BS.

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