If Hideo went with the origional ending...

...you know, where Snake and Otacon were to be arrested and executed for their 'crimes', how angry would you, and the fan base be?

I don't know about you, but bad endings that kill you off or end on a bad note (and NOT be one of several endings) really anger me.

I personally would feel insulted, much like the Mass Effect fans felt with the vanilia ending of Mass Effect 3; to have gone through several games of a deeply engaging story, where you develop a bond of some kind with the characters and then get 'rewarded' with an ending that says "Congratulations, you won the game and saved the world and didn't die from the final battle, or sacrifice yourself to save everyone...here is your reward, you are now going to...DIE!!!"

Also, it makes no sense to me to have Snake and Otacon get killed. What were their 'crimes'? if it was the Tank Hanger incident from MGS2, then they're innocent...Ocelot was responsible for that, and from the plot, he planned it to manipulate the Patriots into carrying out the course of actions which led to their destruction, and the worlds freedom.

As for saying "Snake was working (unintentionally) for the Patriots; well, so was Raiden and Rosemary, so was Meryl and her crew...so were the PMC's...so was Cambell, so were the entire UN governments. ALL of them were commiting 'crimes' (being controlled, or 'working for, the patriots) meaning that everyone would have to be executed....but to have only Snake and Otacon get executed and nobody else, despite what I just said, that's just.....stupid!

It was a stupid, insulting idea for an ending and I'm glad that Hideo's entire crew refused that ending. I'm not accusing Hideo of anything other than asking him "why choose that ending? It opens up way too many plot holes and questions"

Here are some more examples of bad endings to otherwise good or interesting games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jp039mLUPU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxbZEeCGaBo&feature=relmfu

So, who else thinks that the fans would riot, or demand a better ending if Hideo went with the 'you get executed' ending.
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"If Ripto were here, I'd give him a piece of my mind!" : Moneybags from Spyro 2

So you want a ending where your character, who's been through so much chaos, and saved the world many times is executed as a 'criminal'?

Geez, it would leave a bad taste in your mouth, similar to how "The Boss" was branded a traitor (by the 'patriots' who were under another name at the time), despite actually saving the world from Volgin, and this was something that Big Boss knew and was forced to keep secret. Then he turned on the corrupt government (and the 'patriots' who he origionally founded, but then realised was bad), and Zero (who took over the 'patriots') and was in turn 'killed' by his son (who was created by and then under orders by the then-unknown 'patriots'), who in turn is executed by the government (even though the 'patriots' are now no more)....Ack!

I myself am happy they didn't use that ending. It would just seem....well, bad!

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"If Ripto were here, I'd give him a piece of my mind!" : Moneybags from Spyro 2

git2thechoppa posted...

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Don't threaten me; besides, I didn't say that the games were bad (you did check the youtube vids, right?) I said that the endings were either bad, or they made you feel uneasy.

I know reality is evil, that's why we play games and read comics and novels, and watch films. But to have an ending where you are executed for a 'crime' you didn't commit (the tanker from MGS2, which was Ocelot and the Patriots) is just plain....well, bad!

Becides, Snake does die at the end; he dies of accelerated ageing, which many fans didn't like either, but at least he dies in his sleep or something, rather than be branded an enemy of the world, like "The Boss".

True, it would add that 'irony' feeling to it, but the fact that Snake mainly killed terrorists throughout the series, preventing global destruction/or enslavement and then being executed for something stupid would anger a lot of people.

Also, if they were to be executed, so would many other characters, like Raiden, who had killed so many people himself.

I also feel that Sunny would have wanted revenge on those who killed her adopted uncles. She cares greatly about Otacon and Snake, and if they were executed, she'd want to get back at those who took them away from her. (Mind you, if this ending was used, her becoming the new 'enemy' would be an interesting plot for a future game, as she is an expert in computers and so forth.)
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I think that the best solution to this would be to have multiple endings, with bonus items for each of them, like special costumes/items that go with each ending. This way everyone wins.
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Monza_Man_ posted...

This is a classic example of two completely different views of suicide in culture. The original ending was supposed to have Snake and Otacon turn themselves in as a way of preserving their honor, as that is how suicide is viewed in Japan. But once Kojima was informed that this is not viewed the same was in USA, he changed it so that people like you would be happy.

I personally think that we missed out on an emotionally powerful, tear-jerking ending that would have gone down as one of the best end of series moment in video game history. And instead of a tragic death we got the opposite; a cheesy revival of an overrated character whose image has been overused to the point where they just can't let him die (Big Boss). And Snake giving up smoking at the end is just dripping of corn.

They should have gone with the original ending.

I see what you mean now.

It's true, however, that many people (particularly from Western cultures) hate it when the main character, whom people grew to love, dies at the end of a series of stories or games.

For example, take the Harry Potter books; he was origionally going to let Voldemort kill him in the Forbidden Forest, thus sacrificing his life while also destroying the second final Horcrux (leaving Nagini left), and someone else would kill Voldy (most likely Nevile); however, many people, including other famous authors, begged Rowling not to kill him. I wonder how people would react if the series ended with Harry's death?

Did you also know that she was going to kill Arthur Weasley in book 5 when Nagini attacked him? Only she relented when people begged her not to...so she killed Fred in book 7 instead.

Getting back to the topic, it seems that Snake became so popular by fans, that he was seen as immortal, that killing him off was seen as a sin or something.

As for me, I still see them being executed as a slap in the face, but if Snake were to kill himself, that would be more sad, but at the same time, honorable (because, lets assume that the foxdie virus wasnt nullified and was set to activate and kill innocents around him, so he had to kill himself to stop it.)
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"If Ripto were here, I'd give him a piece of my mind!" : Moneybags from Spyro 2