Max Payne 3 Bugs STILL not fixed after a month! We want unlimited bullet time!

#1 Posted by spiderliam (5 posts) -
The reason i'm posting this is because i don't think i'm the only one who is getting extremely angry at the fact that after a month, rockstar have STILL not released a fix for the bugs and glitches found in all copies max payne 3 on both PS3 and 360 (achievements such as 'unlimited bullet time' and 'bullet cam on every kill' not unlocking after completing certain requirements.) Basically, i want to rally as many people together as possible, if they are interested in publicly demanding either; A - an update on their progress on the fix B - The actual patch to fix the game to be released. I have posted the following message on their support website: "This is a disgrace. I know i'm not the only person bringing this up, and i know i'm not the only person who is pissed of at Rockstars futile attempts at trying to tell CUSTOMERS WHO SPENT A LOT OF F*****G MONEY ON YOUR BROKEN GAME that they're "looking into it." It does not take a month look for and to fix a piece of code which allows the game determine that a collection of all golds and platinum medals should unlock the unlimited bullet time, instead of just golds. It's a f*****g joke. I spent a lot of money on this game, money which i could have used for more useful things, but no. I spent a long time waiting and looking forward to the game, and then £50 to having a bit of fun with some unlimited bullet time and it doesn't work. It's annoying enough that developers find it acceptable to release games that need to be updated fixed as soon as you put it into your playstation, but to release a game full of bugs and glitches and then to not have made a patch for it after a month is a is a total discredit to the developers, and I hope they are ashamed of their failures. This message is being posted to as many gaming forums as possible to rally support for this unacceptable situation, and I will be keeping them updated of any responses that are sent this way. Yes the tone of this message is very angry. That's why there is swearing in it, and if you don't like swearing, why are you working for a company that makes games which contain such content? Get over it and give us an answer, since we are the ones wasting out hard earned money on YOUR wage/salary by buying your company's faulty products. We are entitled to a proper answer. A better answer than 'We're looking into it." What do you guys think? am I being too offensive and angry? I think i probably might be, but i think i and everyone else who is experiencing these bugs have a right to be pissed off. Especially since they patched the PC version within a week, yet there are still no updates for console owners.
#2 Posted by spiderliam (5 posts) -
Might i point out, before anyone comments that i'm being uncivilised, that i've been trying to get a proper answer from them for a month now, and the first time they offered nothing except "we're looking into it". The second time, they sent this; Hi, We sincerely apologize for the frustration and inconvenience. Please let us know the following information so we can look into the issue for you: -Gamertag/PSN ID -Gamertag/PSN email & password (voluntary, with consent) -Social Club Nickname -Social Club email -Link to your account (if possible) -Brief summary of the problem (disregards if already explained in your ticket) We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience and we appreciate your patience. Kind regards, Brian Which i found to be rather dodgy...
#3 Posted by Frag_Maniac (2059 posts) -

When Rockstar say they're looking into some, they mean it though. A lot of devs that say that are just shining people on. I don't know game scripting extremely well, having only done some minor to moderate modding in various games, but I do know tracking down a failed trigger can sometimes take a while.

Also, the game has been out a month, but when did they actually start receiving this specific complaint? Maybe it's been more like 3 weeks. After all, it does take a while for many players to accomplish certain achievments and they may have been waiting to make sure that it's a common problem so they know for sure it's a bug vs something on someone else's end. 

Typically a dev team will first confirm for sure that there is a coding problem. Then they try as best to replicate the problem. That may involve a team of 3 or more play testers starting the game and playing until they accomplish those achievments. If all 3 have the same problem then they know for sure it's a game coding error. Then they have to have the programmers track down what is causing the failed trigger.

When GTA IV came out I was on an X1950Pro and got severe shadow flickering outdoors and couldn't even play pool because due to lighting problems, the pool table wouldn't even show. They finally fixed it with a patch after 2 or 3 months. That may sound ridiculous to some, but a lot of devs won't even bother fixing things like that for older GPUs.

Don't forget Rockstar are the devs and the pubs, they don't have to answer to pubs giving them a fixed budget and timeline for patch fixing. That also means they can take their time and make sure it's done right, but at least it gets done.

#4 Posted by DrKill09 (6238 posts) -

Max Payne 3 has no glitches.  Get a pc.

#5 Posted by CondorCalabasas (654 posts) -
[QUOTE="Frag_Maniac"]Typically a dev team will first confirm for sure that there is a coding problem. Then they try as best to replicate the problem. That may involve a team of 3 or more play testers starting the game and playing until they accomplish those achievments. If all 3 have the same problem then they know for sure it's a game coding error. Then they have to have the programmers track down what is causing the failed trigger. That may sound ridiculous to some, but a lot of devs won't even bother fixing things like that for older GPUs.

Don't forget Rockstar are the devs and the pubs, they don't have to answer to pubs giving them a fixed budget and timeline for patch fixing. That also means they can take their time and make sure it's done right, but at least it gets done.

Exactly. Like Battlefield 3 for example, dice is known for getting on top of the glitches, and overpowered weapons. But it took them some time to eventually fix the FAMAS, then the USAS-12 w/frag rounds, and then finally the DART glitch. And it took even longer if you were on consoles, I think it was like almost a month later for the consoles to be updated. You have to understand there is a process to fixing a bug. Ever play an elder scrolls game? Oblivion, or Skyrim? They dish out fixes pretty fast, but then once they dish out the update, it turns out they didn't test it enough, and things are much worse than before. The first, or second update for Skyrim was supposed to fix crashes and what not. I jump into the game, (I got to level 40 for one character, and level 20 something for a second character, so I played a lot before then) my game crashes for the first time after I download the update. Not only that, but every single dragon I fought after they released the update, flew backwards. The game was actually unplayable for me after that update. Frankly I'd rather they take the time to actually fix it, and maybe if they take that time they'll find a majority of the issues with the game. Personally, I don't really want to play Max Payne 3 New York Minute Hardcore mode (what a mouthful) again until they fix the crashing. Every time I get to the disc swap part, my system just freezes.
#6 Posted by spiderliam (5 posts) -

Max Payne 3 has no glitches.  Get a pc.

DrKill09
Too expensive to maintain mate. Plus, i'm on tour most of the time, so PC is not a viable option. PS3 is small and tourable, PC is not! I see what you mean about finding the glitched code, but surely there should be a directory where certain bits of code can be found??
#7 Posted by spiderliam (5 posts) -
Yeh, the latest skyrim update freezes the game if you're in water and your cross hair goes below the surface of the water!! Ridiculous!
#8 Posted by Frag_Maniac (2059 posts) -

Too expensive to maintain mate. Plus, i'm on tour most of the time, so PC is not a viable option. PS3 is small and tourable, PC is not! I see what you mean about finding the glitched code, but surely there should be a directory where certain bits of code can be found??spiderliam

Common myth, only upgradaholics get into the too expensive habit. There's also the fact that the PS3 needs a display, so you have to bounce from TV to TV, or carry a small monitor or something. There's a couple ways you can go small with PC. The first obvviously is more expensive, a gaming capable laptop and portable mouse.

The 2nd option however can be done quite affordably, a micro atx pc case with reasonable but not expensive gaming hardware. The same scenario applies display wise, bounce from TV to TV or carry a small monitor.

Today's PC gaming parts facilitate micro builds better than ever. There are a lot of small die, cool running low power consumption CPUs and GPUS available. I'm betting the GTX 660 will be a popular micro build GPU. Sneak peeks show it as being no longer than the GTX 670's PCB, which is very small.

I've even seen guys custom build gaming PCs using aluminum briefcases for shells, and it doesn't cost as much as you might think.

#9 Posted by DieselCat18 (2960 posts) -

[QUOTE="spiderliam"]Too expensive to maintain mate. Plus, i'm on tour most of the time, so PC is not a viable option. PS3 is small and tourable, PC is not! I see what you mean about finding the glitched code, but surely there should be a directory where certain bits of code can be found??Frag_Maniac

Common myth, only upgradaholics get into the too expensive habit. There's also the fact that the PS3 needs a display, so you have to bounce from TV to TV, or carry a small monitor or something. There's a couple ways you can go small with PC. The first obvviously is more expensive, a gaming capable laptop and portable mouse.

The 2nd option however can be done quite affordably, a micro atx pc case with reasonable but not expensive gaming hardware. The same scenario applies display wise, bounce from TV to TV or carry a small monitor.

Today's PC gaming parts facilitate micro builds better than ever. There are a lot of small die, cool running low power consumption CPUs and GPUS available. I'm betting the GTX 660 will be a popular micro build GPU. Sneak peeks show it as being no longer than the GTX 670's PCB, which is very small.

I've even seen guys custom build gaming PCs using aluminum briefcases for shells, and it doesn't cost as much as you might think.

+1

#10 Posted by DrKill09 (6238 posts) -

Too expensive to maintain mate. Plus, i'm on tour most of the time, so PC is not a viable option. PS3 is small and tourable, PC is not! I see what you mean about finding the glitched code, but surely there should be a directory where certain bits of code can be found??spiderliam

 No, not really.  Expensive to maintain?  How?

Pc's can be just as portable.  There are several light weight, aluminum cases out there that have handles. 

#11 Posted by DrKill09 (6238 posts) -

Seriously, I upgrade my pc once every 5 years or so.  Last major upgrades was only $600 or so, and that was ram, hard drives, sata cables, psu, case, motherboard, and a gtx 460.

 Rule of thumb; buy parts that are future proof enough, without being overly frivelous.  My gtx 460 runs all current games fine.  I still use DDR2 800, and have the lowest end Phenom II quad core.  You do not need to spend thousands, as some make it seem. 

#12 Posted by spiderliam (5 posts) -

[QUOTE="spiderliam"]Too expensive to maintain mate. Plus, i'm on tour most of the time, so PC is not a viable option. PS3 is small and tourable, PC is not! I see what you mean about finding the glitched code, but surely there should be a directory where certain bits of code can be found??Frag_Maniac

Common myth, only upgradaholics get into the too expensive habit. There's also the fact that the PS3 needs a display, so you have to bounce from TV to TV, or carry a small monitor or something. There's a couple ways you can go small with PC. The first obvviously is more expensive, a gaming capable laptop and portable mouse.

The 2nd option however can be done quite affordably, a micro atx pc case with reasonable but not expensive gaming hardware. The same scenario applies display wise, bounce from TV to TV or carry a small monitor.

Today's PC gaming parts facilitate micro builds better than ever. There are a lot of small die, cool running low power consumption CPUs and GPUS available. I'm betting the GTX 660 will be a popular micro build GPU. Sneak peeks show it as being no longer than the GTX 670's PCB, which is very small.

I've even seen guys custom build gaming PCs using aluminum briefcases for shells, and it doesn't cost as much as you might think.

whoa! that's some handy info there, but still, i've got a limited amount of room for what i can carry, and i've only got space for one laptop, and being a long time mac user (for professional musical reasons), i've fell out with windows. It asks too many questions and is annoying. Plus, you can't get all the games you can get on PS3 on PC. All of my friends from home are on PS3, and not all of them could actually afford to upgrade to a PC, so playing with them online would be impossible. All in all, a PC is way more expensive than a PS3, so i think i'll stick with that for now. Thanks for the info though, might come in handy eventually!
#13 Posted by Frag_Maniac (2059 posts) -

As far as Windows, yes it's going to be the way to go for a gaming computer. You really can't get around the fact that it has the most games written for it. As for it asking lots of questions, only if you leave it in noob mode where the built-in security level is redundantly high. It will even ask you if you're sure you want to launch certain programs after clicking on them even though it detects no malware.

In Windows 7 it's called the User Account Control settings. This service is intended to notify the user of changes to your computer. The pronblem is, LOTS of programs write to the registry, are incorporated into the Explorer desktop shell upon installation, etc. So UAC sees these as potentially harmful changes without having a clue if they are because it actually does no in depth malware detection.

I and many friends I know of completely turn off this service, which means setting it to Never Notify. I even turn off System Restore because it often doesn't restore certain things and is a constant nightmare of fragmentation due to it frequently writing restore points. You're far better off using a few basic security and/or ghost image  tools than trusting MS' software to manage the security of your PC, which can be had free.

Most of people's paranoid perception of PC maintenance has more to do with naievity than anything else. There's also more to gaming system cost than up front system purchase. I have a friend with a PS3 and overall he spends far more on gaming due to the higher price charged for the games themsleves. Shortly after launch you can find PC titles priced very low. With PS3 and 360 titles they stay at $60 for a long tme.

There's also the fact that you can do a hell of a lot more with a PC than you can a mere gaming system. That should be factored in because it's a big part of the overall value. To each their own, but as limited as console systems are, I can't see that they are any better a value than a PC.

#14 Posted by gs3bully (137 posts) -

The guy doesnt want a pc GET OVER IT PLZ!!

#15 Posted by Frag_Maniac (2059 posts) -

Actually it sounds more like he's got himself convinced he can't afford one, vs not "wanting" one, big difference. I also offered many valid points to dispell that myth, but to each their own. I see lots of players complaining that it's too hard to play with a gamepad. Seems to be a big tradeoff, esp when console games cost $60 a pop.

#16 Posted by olegavi323 (26 posts) -

What are you talking about?? I can't play proprly cuz of bugs, disconection, game freezing, game not loading etc on the pc... sick and tired of this :(

#17 Posted by nickysnke (1 posts) -

Hello. I just recently purchased a like- new copy of Max Payne 3 from ebay and the disc is flawless however I'm having a major problem. When the disc is installing it will usually stop at 52 percent then, after a little while, it will instantly go to 100 percent but then the screen goes black with a message stating "Alert. game data is corrupt. Please exit the game and delete this game data". I have tried to install it over and over again but the same thing keeps on happening. Oh, by the way, it's for the PS3. I tried it on another PS3 system and it does the same thing. Has this happened to anyone else or am I the only one? I have searched all over the internet and nobody else seems to have this problem. I'm sorry if this isn't directly related to the topic but I didn't know if this would be considered a bug or not.

#18 Posted by kingfire11 (1498 posts) -
Unlimited bullet time was a luxury I couldn't afford