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WatermelonFarts

Mar 3, 2013 4:04 pm GMT
bessy67 posted...
To all the people saying kroguard isn't a tank because WoW says so:

If there was a healer in the game that could rez him from sync kills, would he then be a tank? Yes, he would. WoW analogy fail. Kroguard is a tank.

you aimed for the triple 20 and the dart went through the wall.
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bessy67

Mar 3, 2013 4:08 pm GMT
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WatermelonFarts

Mar 3, 2013 4:09 pm GMT
you're closer to the dartboard but still landing in the next room over

nice try bessy67
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bessy67

Mar 3, 2013 4:09 pm GMT
Yes, it went through the wall after hitting the triple 20. My arguments are just that strong.
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PhilOnDez

Mar 3, 2013 4:12 pm GMT
bessy67 posted...
To all the people saying kroguard isn't a tank because WoW says so:

If there was a healer in the game that could rez him from sync kills, would he then be a tank? Yes, he would. Since you can't be revived from syncs but can be revived in WoW after dying from crushing crits, the WoW analogy fails. Kroguard is a tank.

You can only be revived in combat if you have a specific class and even then it comes at a hefty cooldown. It's absolutely a last resort and often doesnt make a difference. If you don't have that class, you can't be revived until combat is over which would be comparable to the between waves period of ME where synced characters get back up as well.

ME isn't balanced around tanking, so saying that the WoW analogy fails is a fail of your own.

And no, he still wouldn't be a tank.
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bessy67

Mar 3, 2013 4:13 pm GMT
WatermelonFarts posted...
you're closer to the dartboard but still landing in the next room over

nice try bessy67

Seriously though, other people brought up the crushing crit/sync kill analogy. But since crushing crits and sync kills are really in no way shape or form analogous that argument fails. Therefore the entire argument that a tank must be immune to crushing crits in a game that has nothing like crushing crits (which you can be rezed from) is invalid. Within the frameword of ME3 multiplayer, kroguard is a tank.
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PhilOnDez

Mar 3, 2013 4:27 pm GMT
You won't get revived in combat in WoW if you died because you took a crushing crit because if you took a crushing crit you weren't doing what you were supposed to and nobody is going to waste a battle res on that guy. (and the tank isn't going to die from a crushing crit because he's not going to take a crushing crit.)

ME is -much- more lenient about letting you recover from death even if you include sync kills. As long as you can get to the person you can revive them as many times a match as you want.

A pull is (very) roughly comparable to a wave.

Good job moving out of the 'I'm right you're wrong' mentality.

E: to specify, a 25 man raid might have 3 battle resses but more likely has 1-2, less if the tank is a Druid, and a 10 man might have 0. A 5 man (party) probably doesn't have one at all but 5 mans are pretty easy.
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bessy67

Mar 3, 2013 4:25 pm GMT
PhilOnDez posted...
You won't get revived in combat in WoW if you died because you took a crushing crit because if you took a crushing crit you weren't doing what you were supposed to and nobody is going to waste a battle res on that guy. (and the tank isn't going to die from a crushing crit because he's not going to take a crushing crit.)

ME is -much- more lenient about letting you recover from death even if you include sync kills. As long as you can get to the person you can revive them as many times a match as you want.

A pull is (very) roughly comparable to a wave.

Good job moving out of the 'I'm right you're wrong' mentality.

When was I ever in that mentality? I've always backed up my statements with reasoning. You may not agree with my reasoning, which is fine, but I've always posted in the "I'm right you're wrong and here's why" mentality. Which is exactly what you're supposed to do in a debate.
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Nafzger

Mar 3, 2013 4:27 pm GMT
WatermelonFarts posted...
He's wrong because it doesn't matter if a tank does 1 damage or 100 damage. As long as he can keep aggro and actually survive the aggro (sync kills/crushing blows/whatever the given terminology is) is what actually matters.

I'm pretty sure a tank is a mobile, fortified, long-distance artillery machine.
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WatermelonFarts

Mar 3, 2013 4:27 pm GMT
Nafzger posted...
WatermelonFarts posted...
He's wrong because it doesn't matter if a tank does 1 damage or 100 damage. As long as he can keep aggro and actually survive the aggro (sync kills/crushing blows/whatever the given terminology is) is what actually matters.

I'm pretty sure a tank is a mobile, fortified, long-distance artillery machine.

And here we go with the moronic comparisons of a real-life tank to a character niche. Bring on the idiocy.
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PhilOnDez

Mar 3, 2013 4:30 pm GMT
You and donkey were riding that train pretty hard this morning, moreso donkey but you're definitely guilty as well.

You may have thought you had evidence but more often than not you were trying to shove opinions in.
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Edgar_Allen_Bro

Mar 3, 2013 4:46 pm GMT
itt nerds nerding
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PhilOnDez

Mar 3, 2013 4:48 pm GMT
You came to a gaming message board and expected anything less?

Love your sig.
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perfect_general

Mar 3, 2013 5:01 pm GMT
Tanking implies an inherent passive capacity to soak up damage. Thus the kroguard's ability to restore barriers shouldn't be taken into account since that is an active ability that needs to be triggered by the player.
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Nafzger

Mar 3, 2013 5:53 pm GMT
WatermelonFarts posted...
Nafzger posted...
WatermelonFarts posted...
He's wrong because it doesn't matter if a tank does 1 damage or 100 damage. As long as he can keep aggro and actually survive the aggro (sync kills/crushing blows/whatever the given terminology is) is what actually matters.

I'm pretty sure a tank is a mobile, fortified, long-distance artillery machine.

And here we go with the moronic comparisons of a real-life tank to a character niche. Bring on the idiocy.

Sometimes I forget you only have a junior high reading comprehension level.
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WatermelonFarts

Mar 3, 2013 5:54 pm GMT
Nafzger posted...
WatermelonFarts posted...
Nafzger posted...
WatermelonFarts posted...
He's wrong because it doesn't matter if a tank does 1 damage or 100 damage. As long as he can keep aggro and actually survive the aggro (sync kills/crushing blows/whatever the given terminology is) is what actually matters.

I'm pretty sure a tank is a mobile, fortified, long-distance artillery machine.

And here we go with the moronic comparisons of a real-life tank to a character niche. Bring on the idiocy.

Sometimes I forget you only have a junior high reading comprehension level.

ow
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GoldenSWarriors

Mar 3, 2013 6:04 pm GMT
I know for a fact that you respecced your juggernaut today because you had him skipping turret. You made the first topic last night.

I've tried about 5 different juggernaut builds so far. What of it? My very first build I went for turret and skipped his passive.
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Nafzger

Mar 3, 2013 6:06 pm GMT
Maybe we can say the krogan is a train. He's sturdy and if he rams something, he will totally ruin its day.
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WatermelonFarts

Mar 3, 2013 6:07 pm GMT
Nafzger posted...
Maybe we can say the krogan is a train. He's sturdy and if he rams something, he will totally ruin its day.

which character would be a prius?
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GoldenSWarriors

Mar 3, 2013 6:07 pm GMT
Rophlecktuine posted...
WatermelonFarts posted...
sheepman23 posted...
Jinteisama posted...
Being the best tank in this game's terrible MP is comparable to being the best turd in a toilet.

Lmfao

On topic: Kroguard > Juggernaut.

in general, yes, but not at tanking

agreed, Jugg is best tank.

I like how panda doesnt point out that besides being the only kit capable of standing toe to toe with any OHKO enemy, he also fails to mention that the turret heals both the Jugg AND teammates, making him a healer besides being the best tank. He can also set down a shield for teammates. Can Kroguard? Nope.

Those don't fit in the description of being a "tank." If we're just bringing in all sorts of facts, why don't I also go ahead and mention that the Krogan deals out twice as much damage, can actually revive teammates, and is a lot better at soloing?
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