if Peace is unobtainable....

ozzyman314 posted...

Xylarxcode posted...

That one random dude in Dragon Age has a quote that I feel is appropriate here:
'Only a fool fights for his farmland while his country burns down around him.' Or something to that effect.
I'm a lot more sympathetic towards the Geth, though. If the Quarians choose this critical moment in time to go to war with the Geth, ignoring the real threat, then they deserve to die.
The Geth however, forced to defend themselves from their creators as well as the Reapers would die a pointless, cruel death for no other reason then simply existing and being the way they are. No species deserves that.

That's the thing though, what else could they do? If they didn't go to war with the Geth, then the Reapers would have obliterated them.

They had much better odds fighting the Geth then Reapers. Seeing as how the Geth were under Reaper control, the Reapers themselves would not get involved in an attack against the quariens.

^ The Reapers would have obliterated them? I'm sorry, what the hell are you talking about? It's pretty clear that the Reapers entered the Galaxy through Batarian Space--------> concentrated their efforts on Humanity and then followed up with spread out attacks of attrition on the other races.....the Perseus veil was hit much later and from what we've seen the Quarians weren't engaged with any reaper forces prior to Shepard's involvement.

So no, the Quarians had plenty to do that involved avoiding war with the geth. Think recalling all quatrains and supporting the other races through mutual gain.
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The Heretics weren't hurting them. The Geth had no reason to do anything about it. It was only until the Heretics tried to harm the Geth that it became a problem, otherwise they just want to be left alone.

Except the heretics were hurting them, their actions reflected negatively on the Geth. The geth were fine with the heretics representing Geth as Evil monsters that had to be put dow.

they were being selfish. When the Heretics went to war with organics, the Geth decided to sit back and watch the Galaxy bleed. But when the Geth are attacked they're the ones who want help?

Even though the Heretics made them look bad, how many armies do you see the other races sending to Rannoch or other Geth space? How many wars with the good Geth happened because of them? None, they had no reason to do anything about the Heretics until they were directly being affected by it.

The Geth decided to sit back for everything, not just that one instance. To them the Heretics might as well have been a separate race. When the Geth were attacked they didn't go crying out to every race they knew of, they just joined the Reapers. Why? Their intelligence was reduced because of Quarian actions.

From: ozzyman314 | #087
By the end of ME1, it seemed like most of the galaxy was at war with the Geth.

So the Geth take no responsibility for Heretics actions, and that's ok? The Geth should have known the Heretics would bite them in the *** one day. But instead they decided to cower and hide behind them. Sure they may have considered the Heretics a "separate" race, but they soon realized the galaxy did not see it that way.

And when they were under attack again, they still went back to the Reapers, knowing what happened last time they did that.

The Geth attempt to portray themselves as sympathetic, but that's hard to see when they are constantly choosing the least sympathetic actions possible.

I don't recall hearing about them actively attacking Rannoch. It's completely ok for the Geth to do nothing about the Heretics, it's not a problem. The Geth had no reason to know the Heretics would have starting killing people, and they didn't cower behind them either. They just stayed home. It doesn't matter what the rest of the galaxy thinks, as long as they aren't getting bombed or shot at at Rannoch. The Heretics didn't join the Reapers because they were under attack, it was just a choice for their future. Perhaps the Geth wouldn't have joined the Reapers if they didn't lose much of their intelligence from the Quarians attacking them. Recap, the first time the Geth joined the Reapers, it was just a small group of them doing it for their future. The second time they did it it was for their own survival because a number of them were wiped out because of what the Quarians did. Had the Quarians waited until after the Reaper war this wouldn't have happened.

ozzyman314 posted...

GoldenSWarriors posted...

I chose Geth, because if you don't, you're basically killing off a form of life. Quarians will lose all their ships but they won't go extinct or anything.

Uh, yes actually they will go extinct. Without their ships they literally have nothing.

So you're saying it is better to save something that is technically alive, as oppose to people that physically are?

There's probably thousands or millions of quarians who were out on their pilgrimage or away doing other things while they were fighting the geth. Unless they all jump off cliffs, they should be able to survive as a species.

From: ozzyman314 | #090
At the End of ME1 & Beginning of ME2, it's clear that the Council sent forces to deal with The Geth, of course they are not going to attack their heavily defended home system.

If the Quarians waited, they would have been killed by The Reapers. With no world to take Shelter on, and only a small army of recycled ships protecting them from extinction(and seeing what a single reaper did to the most advanced fleet in the galaxy; I.E The Citadel) The Quarians had very limited options. For them it was now or never.

The Geth already sided with The Reapers once, Whose to say they wouldn't have done it again even if the Quarians did not attack them?

They're patrolling for remnants of Geth along the borders, NOT attacking Rannoch. That's the point. The Geth don't need to stop the Heretics since they're safe. Unlike the Geth, the Quarians could have easily taken shelter on some friendly planet temporarily while the Reaper invasion is dealt with. What do you expect the Quarians to be able to do with their home planet WHILE the Reapers are already there? I mean I'd get it if they had a couple years to prepare, but the Reapers are already there. They couldn't have done anything meaningful with the planet other than hide. You keep saying the Geth sided with the Reapers as if they all did. It was only a small fraction of them that sided with Sovereign. All the Geth very clearly had a chance to join up with the Reapers, but they didn't. That's why it's safe to say they wouldn't have done it. Not to mention the Geth had knowledge of the Reaper invasion and they're plan wasn't to join up, but to keep building their Dyson Sphere thing and get ready for combat.

So what? The Quarians settle on a tiny little planet and wait for the Reapers to kill them?
The Quarians have more experience with AI technology then any other race, and the largest fleet in the Galaxy, The Reaper obviously perceive them as a threat aswell a race that needs to be harvested. and you're saying they should do nothing?

The Geth had information proving the Reapers were coming while the rest of the galaxy debated their existence. Yet they did nothing with it except help themselves.

and Again, even Legion while interfaced with a reaper was in awe of it. It seems reasonable to assume that the Reapers are powerful enough to take control of the Geth if they need to. The only reason they gave the Geth a choice is because it is not in their programming to destroy another Synthetic race. and they did not want to fight them.

I said they should have taken shelter on a friendly planet, not an empty one. You know, something with allies on them to help them fight, not a planet where they'll start another war and get killed. If the races of the galaxy won't listen to their own people, what makes you think they'll listen to the Geth? What proof did the Geth have that Shepard and his team didn't? You're avoiding the argument. The Geth had a choice to join the Reapers in a time when they had no need to, and they didn't join them. Therefore it's safe to assume they wouldn't join the Reapers again in a time that they don't need to. Reapers taking control over the Geth is a different matter than the Geth voluntarily joining them.

I don't care for spoilers- can someone tell me exactly how much is added after Levi? What does Shepard ask the Catalyst? in the end there's nothing else he can do. Same choices to make.

Like, two or three lines are added. The choices are the same. But honestly this DLC is just for information.