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ArwingMaster

Feb 1, 2013 9:19 am GMT
I choose geth. Nothing can justify the genocidal attitude the quarains have towards the Geth, whereas the non-heritic Geth only acted out of self-defense. After all, the Geth aren't the ones you have to talk down from killing an enemy that doesn't want to fight them.
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Harvmoonmaniac

Feb 1, 2013 9:19 am GMT
Peace is always obtainable but is never around forever, war will eventually take hold no matter how long it takes.
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General_Juma

Feb 1, 2013 9:21 am GMT
Urdnot_Runt posted...
I'd choose the geth if I count save both. The Quarians show that they haven't changed and arent sny different than their ancestors centuries ago.

It's fair for the Quarians to lay in the bed they made while it's unfair for the geth to be persecuted when they did nothing wrong. The Quarians could just look at the bigger picture and call off the attack but of course they just wanna light their war. Seems like the Quarians just don't wanna make any sacrifices for the greater good so they get left behind.

I also feel like it generally is better for the story. Poetic justice and all. If it were a movie or a book I think siding with the geth would be way better.

Because killing 99% of their population(i.e. genocide) is doing nothing wrong
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bessy67

Feb 1, 2013 9:22 am GMT
ArwingMaster posted...
I choose geth. Nothing can justify the genocidal attitude the quarains have towards the Geth, whereas the non-heritic Geth only acted out of self-defense. After all, the Geth aren't the ones you have to talk down from killing an enemy that doesn't want to fight them.

Again though, how can it possibly be genocide to destroy machines that your race created? That would be equivalent to calling it genocide if humans started destroying all cars.
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Wii0player

Feb 1, 2013 9:24 am GMT
ToolOwnsYou posted...
We're also punishing the Quarians for the decisions that were made hundreds of years ago. Some acknowledge that it was wrong (Zaal'Koris), some defend the decision (Daro'Xen), but it's all opinion either way.

Humanity bullied the Batarians into some drastic measures too, but I don't see many Balak fans around.

Shepard didn't personally colonize all the free worlds he could find in Batarian space. Garrus didn't give the order to use the genophage. I didn't personally own a slave 150 years before I was born. I think Shepard has a line somewhere on Rannoch that the past doesn't have to define us anymore.

Regardless of what happened in the past, the decision affects the Quarians of today, not their ancestors.

The Quarians of today chose to attack the Geth again, in the middle of the single most important galactic war since probably the creation of the galaxy. The Quarians had plenty of chances to start over somewhere else, hell some of them may've been without a bio suit if they had just found another world to colonize in the Terminus. But no, they were all for the "homeworld", and choose to continue to attack a species that didn't want conflict.

They completely deserved what was coming to them at the end of the Rannoch mission.
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Wii0player

Feb 1, 2013 9:26 am GMT
bessy67 posted...
ArwingMaster posted...
I choose geth. Nothing can justify the genocidal attitude the quarains have towards the Geth, whereas the non-heritic Geth only acted out of self-defense. After all, the Geth aren't the ones you have to talk down from killing an enemy that doesn't want to fight them.

Again though, how can it possibly be genocide to destroy machines that your race created? That would be equivalent to calling it genocide if humans started destroying all cars.

Because the Geth were beings who wanted to live.
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Urdnot_Runt

Feb 1, 2013 9:31 am GMT
General_Juma posted...
Urdnot_Runt posted...
I'd choose the geth if I count save both. The Quarians show that they haven't changed and arent sny different than their ancestors centuries ago.

It's fair for the Quarians to lay in the bed they made while it's unfair for the geth to be persecuted when they did nothing wrong. The Quarians could just look at the bigger picture and call off the attack but of course they just wanna light their war. Seems like the Quarians just don't wanna make any sacrifices for the greater good so they get left behind.

I also feel like it generally is better for the story. Poetic justice and all. If it were a movie or a book I think siding with the geth would be way better.

Because killing 99% of their population(i.e. genocide) is doing nothing wrong

It's not, under the circumstances. Those being the quarians attacked 100% of the time after they already tried and failed to commit genocide once.

Wii0player posted...
bessy67 posted...
ArwingMaster posted...
I choose geth. Nothing can justify the genocidal attitude the quarains have towards the Geth, whereas the non-heritic Geth only acted out of self-defense. After all, the Geth aren't the ones you have to talk down from killing an enemy that doesn't want to fight them.

Again though, how can it possibly be genocide to destroy machines that your race created? That would be equivalent to calling it genocide if humans started destroying all cars.

Because the Geth were beings who wanted to live.

Yup, And the narrative goes out of it's way to make that clear. When people don't acknowledge that and refer to the geth as "toasters", etc. they are just catering to their own headcanon.
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General_Juma

Feb 1, 2013 9:37 am GMT
Urdnot_Runt posted...
General_Juma posted...
Urdnot_Runt posted...
I'd choose the geth if I count save both. The Quarians show that they haven't changed and arent sny different than their ancestors centuries ago.

It's fair for the Quarians to lay in the bed they made while it's unfair for the geth to be persecuted when they did nothing wrong. The Quarians could just look at the bigger picture and call off the attack but of course they just wanna light their war. Seems like the Quarians just don't wanna make any sacrifices for the greater good so they get left behind.

I also feel like it generally is better for the story. Poetic justice and all. If it were a movie or a book I think siding with the geth would be way better.

Because killing 99% of their population(i.e. genocide) is doing nothing wrong

It's not, under the circumstances. Those being the quarians attacked 100% of the time after they already tried and failed to commit genocide once.

So when the Quarians switched to fleeing 300 years previous you really think there were only 17 million left at that point?
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ZERO2936

Feb 1, 2013 9:50 am GMT
Geth. I've never liked or trusted the quarians. I'm not letting the geth die just because one moronic admiral refuses to stand down.

Also because of this analogy:

Lv100RedChocobo posted...
Geth. if a bully attacks a kid for his lunch money and fights back, causing a scene, I'm not helping the bully.
Tbx66

Feb 1, 2013 9:43 am GMT
Not taking sides, but the Quarians got what they deserved. Their ancestors were fools, and so are they.

Also, We should destroy all cars. Who knows. They might gain sentience one day and wipe us out.

Awesome suggestion as someone above said.
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Nickious

Feb 1, 2013 9:46 am GMT
I'm going to take Javik's advice and throw the Geth out the airlock.
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Urdnot_Runt

Feb 1, 2013 9:50 am GMT
General_Juma posted...
Urdnot_Runt posted...
General_Juma posted...
Urdnot_Runt posted...
I'd choose the geth if I count save both. The Quarians show that they haven't changed and arent sny different than their ancestors centuries ago.

It's fair for the Quarians to lay in the bed they made while it's unfair for the geth to be persecuted when they did nothing wrong. The Quarians could just look at the bigger picture and call off the attack but of course they just wanna light their war. Seems like the Quarians just don't wanna make any sacrifices for the greater good so they get left behind.

I also feel like it generally is better for the story. Poetic justice and all. If it were a movie or a book I think siding with the geth would be way better.

Because killing 99% of their population(i.e. genocide) is doing nothing wrong

It's not, under the circumstances. Those being the quarians attacked 100% of the time after they already tried and failed to commit genocide once.

So when the Quarians switched to fleeing 300 years previous you really think there were only 17 million left at that point?

That's what we learned while playing the game, yes. The war ended when the quarians stopped attacking, period.
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ozzyman314

Feb 1, 2013 9:53 am GMT
Seems alot of people are forgetting about the Heretics(Pre-ME2). Where most willingly gave up their independence to the Reapers. Even before the Quarians went to war with them in ME3.

The Quarians had every right to go to war with the Geth.

1. If they didn't the Reapers would have "convinced" them to rejoin them(I.E. Serve us or die)

2. With the Rapers at the galaxy's doorstep, it's logical to assume that the Reapers would have obliterated the Quarians. Them being an easy target(No world to take shelter on) aswell as a possible threat(Largest fleet in the galaxy, Most intelligent species in terms of Synthetic and AI technology)

How can the Geth justify doing nothing when half of them go to war the galaxy?
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mattman0101

Feb 1, 2013 9:54 am GMT
bessy67 posted...
People give the Quarians way too much flak for the way they treated the geth. The geth were machines created to work for the quarians. If your lawnmower suddenly started asking if it had a soul wouldn't you be freaked out too? I personally would start destroying all the lawn mowers I could find...

I couldn't have said it better myself. Regardless if I thought the quarians were a bunch of instigators and genocidal-maniacs that does not change the fact that geth are robots.
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Urdnot_Runt

Feb 1, 2013 10:03 am GMT
mattman0101 posted...
bessy67 posted...
People give the Quarians way too much flak for the way they treated the geth. The geth were machines created to work for the quarians. If your lawnmower suddenly started asking if it had a soul wouldn't you be freaked out too? I personally would start destroying all the lawn mowers I could find...

I couldn't have said it better myself. Regardless if I thought the quarians were a bunch of instigators and genocidal-maniacs that does not change the fact that geth are robots.

And that doesn't change that geth are beings.

Like I said, comparing the geth to cars, lawnmowers, calling them 'toasters" etc, are simply catering to your own headcanon that goes against the narrative as it goes to great lengths to basically shove it in the players' face that what the quarians created were *beings who wanted to live* whether they realized it or not at the time.
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CyhortI82

Feb 1, 2013 10:02 am GMT
Quarians. I'll always feel more sympathy to the organic, humanoid race than the robot one. Plus the Geth consciousness is too much like communism for me to feel comfortable with it.
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bessy67

Feb 1, 2013 10:03 am GMT
Urdnot_Runt posted...
Hell, the quarians were even killing their own people who sympathized with the geth. It's no wonder the quarians had so many casualties.

And like I said, the people comparing the geth to cars, lawnmowers, calling them 'toasters" etc, are simply catering to their own headcanon that goes against the narrative that goes to great lengths to establish that the quarians created *beings* whether they realized it or not at the time.

It does not go against the narrative to point out that geth are machines created to make work easier for the quarians, much like lawnmowers or cars. And if lawnmowers or cars suddenly started becoming sentient you can be sure that humans would eradicate them.
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ozzyman314

Feb 1, 2013 10:10 am GMT
Urdnot_Runt posted...
Hell, the quarians were even killing their own people who sympathized with the geth. It's no wonder the quarians had so many casualties.

And like I said, the people comparing the geth to cars, lawnmowers, calling them 'toasters" etc, are simply catering to their own headcanon that goes against the narrative that goes to great lengths to establish that the quarians created *beings* whether they realized it or not at the time.

Atleast the Quarians tried to take responsibility for their actions.

The Geth just sat back and watched as half of their own species want to war with Organics.
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nazacuckoo

Feb 1, 2013 10:10 am GMT
Quarians.

One reason: Tali.
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bessy67

Feb 1, 2013 10:11 am GMT
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