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- Oct 3, 2012 10:58 pm GMTVekkerer posted...
something I have on numerous occasions seen you neglect doing BTW
Prove it.
I don't keep bookmarks of peoples horrible posts. If I did the size of the file would crash my browser - Oct 3, 2012 11:00 pm GMTCorbenik888 posted...
Vekkerer posted...
something I have on numerous occasions seen you neglect doing BTW
Prove it.
I don't keep bookmarks of peoples horrible posts. If I did the size of the file would crash my browser
Then you're full of it and your claim is invalid.
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A real human being and a real hero..." - Oct 3, 2012 11:18 pm GMTvgsrule posted...
officefan, he's talking about the people who are claiming LR will be a horrible game, despite the little information on it.
I don't have high hopes for LR myself, because of the design that's been announced not really being suited to what I feel the game needs to be if it's the last in the series. Too short for that, and the focus on Lightning will only hinder the story that needs to be told, since that story has little to do with Lightning, or any other single character, for that matter. Also, 13-2 just didn't leave me with a good taste in my mouth, and that only makes me more cynical for it's sequel.
But, yeah, I hope it will be an amazing game, and that it will properly expand upon 13's mythology in the way that 13-2, in my eyes, failed to do so.
FFX came out before 13 and it was just as if not even more so linear. Most FFs are linear. Theyve never been open world games.
While the linearity didn't bother me all that much, I don't think that's what people complain about. 13 is linear in the sense that you can pretty much only do things in one way. You go down the same path, fight exactly the same enemies, in exactly the same order, with probably exactly the same strategy, with exactly the same characters, level up your characters exactly the same way (the exp you get will easily reach the cap of all 3 jobs if you fight everything, so no real decision making is needed), and so on. There's no choice at all.
X is linear in map design, though honestly far less than 13. There were a lot more path splits and hidden treasures, though not as much as 1-9. Battles were also random with different enemies, party members could constantly be switched, characters could be leveled differently, you could return to old areas, talk to NPCs, shop, etc. While it's not really an open game, you at least do have a sense of freedom, in that in the limited scope of what you can do, it's at least your choice. 13 doesn't really give you a choice for half the game.
For those who just complain 13's a hallway, though, I usually don't think they've even played the game, or finished it at least, since that in particular doesn't really detract from the experience as much as what I've listed.
I dont agree with the battle argument I bolded.. That could be said for any final fantasy.. DO you know how many times you can get into the EXACT SAME random encounter in earlier final fantasies? At least FFXIII tried to change up battles most of the time by doing different combinations of the "same" enemies.
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Hope misses Vanille's smile
. - Oct 4, 2012 12:13 am GMTThe office has seen the light!! neato'
Anyways here's my five cents. The fans are sorta spoiled, that's because some of us are so accustomed to past, that we're unwilling to vision the future. But that still reflects back to SE, because it's their decision to scoop down to the fans negative feedback. For eg. Once upon a time, SE actually were more interested in making creative games out of their own imagination. Think about VII, it was considered revolutionary in its field. Than IX came, another mix of ingredients and outcome a whooper. Finally another revolutionary game came out, X was marvellous for being the first PS2 FF. It utilised many of the facilities that the PS2 offered, they didn't construct it out of the fans whining, but instead felt the freedom to grace its fanbase with its own ideas. Also there was XI, which may not have been perfect, but it layed the foundation for future great MMO FF's (not that I'm a fan of MMO, FFXIV be gone!).
Than came out XII, now to me that game was the perfect foundation, for SE to innovate it self to next-gen gaming. Of course, my sight wasn't seen by a large proportion of the fanbase. (which was okay). But the real problem began, when SE acknowledged the negative feedbacks that were displayed from XII, and constructed a game with almost polar-opposite gaming mechanics. IMO SE was no longer about letting their imagination allow them to create games, it was about creating games to please the fanbase. Now im all for pleasing the fanbase, but at the cost of caving to the fans demands and nullifying their sense of pride and eagerness to make fresh and innovative games, shouldn't have been acceptable. So came XIII, which I abhorred, but even than I saw that game as nothing but a mistake, a sign of SE's weakness, but something I was sure of that they would recover from. But instead, they once again made the same mistake they made with XII, they caved again. It's quite obvious that XIII-2 has many features that were constructed to combat XIII's downfall. But the problem remained, they were lacking their sense of innovation and ideal to create their own games. Now im not saying that every game, that is created out of desperation to hold on to the fanbase, is going to be all bad. But I'd wager, that because they were so fixiated on creating a game that would repent for XIII's mistakes, they ignored some other important features. That allowed XIII-2 to become another very controversial game. Anyways that's all I have to say, rebuttle it all you want, but remember it is my opinion. - Oct 4, 2012 12:44 am GMTKingmichael1337 posted...
apparently it's terrible for consumers to express their opinions on products they pay for
When the consumers are a bunch of morons with childish opinions, then yes. It is terrible. Stupid people need to shut up, free speech is something society has proven undeserving of. - Oct 4, 2012 1:28 am GMTi think its funny that FF9 is being called revolutionary when its whole point was to be a return to the older style in pre 7 FF games.
Fanbases suck because they don't realize just what their opinions are. That is, only their opinions as individuals. Why should SE consider Linearity a Flaw? Because a group of fans dont' like it? What about the fans who do? Why shaft them because you (general) can't enjoy the design? Where is the give here? No where. Everyone is correct and thats a recepie for chaos.
you can't please millions of people. There will never be any unity. When people cannot see beyond their own needs and try to super impose those needs on every one is is when you have problems. Its one thing to voice an opinion. its another to treat an opinion as the word of god.
thats what we have here in the FF fanbase. People overly emotional over their own opinions. They paint themselves as victims of a harsh, uncaring lover. And they aren't. they're just fans. SE don't go out their way to hate on the fans. But people swear that they are and swear that everyone (in the fanbase) feels the same way or, rather, they should feel that way.
i do not appreciate being told what is good for me in something as trivial as a video game. And its utterly laughable to say anything about the storylines in these games when nearly all post FF 5 final fantasies are written like Soap Operas and those before FF 5, didn't have much in the way of story at all.
When i look at this fanbase, all i see are people who are cursed to miss the point of gaming. And some will never catch the point of gaming. Its sad that gaming is a measure of status now rather than a personal escape from harsh reality. You know, something fun. But now, childish fun is just who has played the best FF game, who can point out all the "flaws" in under a minute, who played what game when and how much better it was then than now.Nobody can ever question logic because everyone is correct. Its like high school all over again.
its a shame a really. For me, high school was over in 2005 and didn't put with the bull**** then and sure as hell won't now.
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~When everything's made to be broken, i don't give a damn if you know who I am~ - Oct 4, 2012 1:32 am GMT...So you made a thread complainin' about the complainin'?
Different people are going to have different opinions. Deal with it. - Oct 4, 2012 1:35 am GMTEminentFate posted...
...So you made a thread complainin' about the complainin'?
Different people are going to have different opinions. Deal with it.
...So you made a post complainin' about the complainin'?
Different people are going to have different opinions. Deal with it.
i hope you get what i did there.
also, the problem isn't complaining. Its how people are complaining.
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~When everything's made to be broken, i don't give a damn if you know who I am~ - Oct 4, 2012 1:36 am GMTThe only thing i cant stand about the current fanbase is that they see FF7 or FF13 as the only FF game there ever existes and complain endlessly about the other underrrated FF entries.
Or else you could call SE and say u all dont want FF games anymore and only endless FF7 and Lightning games.
Now, we wouldnt want that, would we?
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Do I HAVE to put something in my signature? Let me get back to you on that one. - Oct 4, 2012 1:38 am GMTKagayaku08 posted...
EminentFate posted...
...So you made a thread complainin' about the complainin'?
Different people are going to have different opinions. Deal with it.
...So you made a post complainin' about the complainin'?
Different people are going to have different opinions. Deal with it.
i hope you get what i did there.
also, the problem isn't complaining. Its how people are complaining.
Yeah, I got it. I'm a hypocrite. That was kind of the intent. :I
Constructive criticsim is appreciated when it's being handed out, sure. But, people aren't always that civil, unfortunately. - Oct 4, 2012 1:43 am GMTKagayaku08 posted...
i think its funny that FF9 is being called revolutionary when its whole point was to be a return to the older style in pre 7 FF games.
Fanbases suck because they don't realize just what their opinions are. That is, only their opinions as individuals. Why should SE consider Linearity a Flaw? Because a group of fans dont' like it? What about the fans who do? Why shaft them because you (general) can't enjoy the design? Where is the give here? No where. Everyone is correct and thats a recepie for chaos.
you can't please millions of people. There will never be any unity. When people cannot see beyond their own needs and try to super impose those needs on every one is is when you have problems. Its one thing to voice an opinion. its another to treat an opinion as the word of god.
thats what we have here in the FF fanbase. People overly emotional over their own opinions. They paint themselves as victims of a harsh, uncaring lover. And they aren't. they're just fans. SE don't go out their way to hate on the fans. But people swear that they are and swear that everyone (in the fanbase) feels the same way or, rather, they should feel that way.
i do not appreciate being told what is good for me in something as trivial as a video game. And its utterly laughable to say anything about the storylines in these games when nearly all post FF 5 final fantasies are written like Soap Operas and those before FF 5, didn't have much in the way of story at all.
When i look at this fanbase, all i see are people who are cursed to miss the point of gaming. And some will never catch the point of gaming. Its sad that gaming is a measure of status now rather than a personal escape from harsh reality. You know, something fun. But now, childish fun is just who has played the best FF game, who can point out all the "flaws" in under a minute, who played what game when and how much better it was then than now.Nobody can ever question logic because everyone is correct. Its like high school all over again.
its a shame a really. For me, high school was over in 2005 and didn't put with the bull**** then and sure as hell won't now.
*cries* GLORIOUS---
--- - Oct 4, 2012 1:45 am GMTI'd like to complain about people who hold things up by complaining about people complaining.
It's about time something was done about it. - Oct 4, 2012 1:46 am GMTkupo1705 posted...
I'd like to complain about people who hold things up by complaining about people complaining.
It's about time something was done about it.
Yeah, let's just burn them on stakes. - Oct 4, 2012 1:48 am GMTkupo1705 posted...
I'd like to complain about people who hold things up by complaining about people complaining.
It's about time something was done about it.
But, but, your like doing it right now. - Oct 4, 2012 1:50 am GMTheartlessprinny posted...
kupo1705 posted...
I'd like to complain about people who hold things up by complaining about people complaining.
It's about time something was done about it.
But, but, your like doing it right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk - Oct 4, 2012 1:51 am GMTLolOkay posted...
Kagayaku08 posted...
i think its funny that FF9 is being called revolutionary when its whole point was to be a return to the older style in pre 7 FF games.
Fanbases suck because they don't realize just what their opinions are. That is, only their opinions as individuals. Why should SE consider Linearity a Flaw? Because a group of fans dont' like it? What about the fans who do? Why shaft them because you (general) can't enjoy the design? Where is the give here? No where. Everyone is correct and thats a recepie for chaos.
you can't please millions of people. There will never be any unity. When people cannot see beyond their own needs and try to super impose those needs on every one is is when you have problems. Its one thing to voice an opinion. its another to treat an opinion as the word of god.
thats what we have here in the FF fanbase. People overly emotional over their own opinions. They paint themselves as victims of a harsh, uncaring lover. And they aren't. they're just fans. SE don't go out their way to hate on the fans. But people swear that they are and swear that everyone (in the fanbase) feels the same way or, rather, they shouldfeel that way.
i do not appreciate being told what is good for me in something as trivial as a video game. And its utterly laughable to say anything about the storylines in these games when nearly
all post FF 5 final fantasies are written like Soap Operas and those before FF 5, didn't havemuch in the way of story at all.
When i look at this fanbase, all i see are people who are cursed to miss the point of gaming. And some will never catch the point of gaming. Its sad that gaming is a measure of status now rather than a personal escape from harsh reality. You know, something
fun. But now, childish fun is just who has played the best FF game, who can pointout all the "flaws" in under a minute, who played what game when and how much better it was then than now.Nobody can ever question logic because everyone is correct. Its like high school all over again.
its a shame a really. For me, high school was over in 2005 and didn't put with the bull**** then and sure as hell won't now.
*cries* GLORIOUS
It ads up to my post on this topic aswell. Utterly brilliant! *standing ovation*
AND....... The victims are usually ignorant teenagers whos first FF game was probably FFX on the ps2. They never fully experienced FF NES era or pre PS2 era.
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Do I HAVE to put something in my signature? Let me get back to you on that one. - Oct 4, 2012 2:07 am GMT[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]
- Oct 4, 2012 3:02 am GMTThis is old, and the argument is illogical.
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The contents of this post may not reflect the views of the poster. - Oct 4, 2012 3:05 am GMTI like what Tekken director said to their spoiled brat fans...
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X > V > T > VI > XIII-2 > XII > TLR > XIII > X-2 > VIII > VII > IV > IX > III > I > II - Oct 4, 2012 3:06 am GMTTheBestGman2007 posted...
A medal... someone needs to give this man.
Giving someone a medal for stating the obvious and something said ad nauseam?
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Bernkastel of all.
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- Final Fantasy XI (PS2, PC, X360),
- Final Fantasy XI: Chains of Promathia (PC, PS2),
- Final Fantasy VII (PC, PS),
- Final Fantasy VIII (PC, PS),
- Final Fantasy II (NES, GBA, PS),
- Final Fantasy XI: Treasures of Aht Urhgan (PC, PS2),
- Final Fantasy XI: Wings of the Goddess (PS2, X360, PC),
- Final Fantasy XI: Vana'diel Collection 2008 (X360, PS2, PC),
- Final Fantasy XIII (PS3, X360),
- Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children (PSP)
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