Killzone 3 Steven Ter Heide Multiplayer Interview (PlayStation 3)

Cant wait for this game! And appearantly you can have vehicles in multiplayer! YAY! :D

@machew100 I've never said PCs don't have the superior power.PCs don't get anywhere near the games to test them,you know that.What's the point of all the upgrades when devs are reluctant to push the hardware.You know why they don't?,it's because it woulde limit their game to only the diehard PC gamers or the rich stuck up people;either way it'd miss the majority of the market. Paying for the PS3 tech is still cheaper then if you were to buy the same tech and install it on a PC (not that it's possible without alot of grief). Consoles have improved greatly from generation to generation and have had the games to show that.As it is,PS3 games aren't looking far off (the games devs put out) PC graphics.Killzone 3 and Gran Turismo 5 look just as good as Crysis 2 on the PC.Crysis was undoubtedly the best in 2007 but Crysis 2 hasn't really upped the visuals.Not that graphics make the game,gameplay does and that has definately been improved upon. Bioshock runs better on the consoles then on PC;also PC misses out on tons of great games such as Red Dead Redemption.Valve is also warming to PS3 (that also offers free online and free games via homebrew) and bringing steamworks to the system,that'll no doubt result in many PC ports arriving on the system. PC games are going up,multiplatform games in particular,just take a look at MW2 and the new MoH PC prices.

I think I can finally move this from my tracked list to my wish list. I can't wait!

@MEDzZ3RO You don't know what the saying grasping for straws means? You must be new here. Consoles are so plentiful in every household because they're so cheap now and have been around for 5 years. Computer hardware (including xbox/ps3/wii internals) is one of the fastest depreciating products on the earth. So they're selling you, in 2005, a $400-600 console, then it only gets down to $250-ish after 5 whole years of being stale hardware? No thanks. It may be worth it for the first year to be as much as it is, but consoles are just so good at hiding how dated everything really is so they can overcharge 4 years down the line. People are tricked into thinking consoles are some "evolving", never aging piece of hardware because gimmicks are added on, or just because they've had their ps2 around for however long, and it didn't get old. To the average person, they can enjoy their limited platform. Regardless of how business is done, to put all games on consoles or PC, PC is the superior platform if you do it right, and boy is it easy to do it right if you're a little tech-savvy. My multiplayer play is free, my games can be free, my peripherals are neverending, my games are cheaper, my platform is unlimited, and options are endless. Try and refute the efficacy of PCs more please.

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html?site=pc&cat=0&year=0&numrev=0&sort=0&letter=&search= Here you go,the top 6 are all on consoles and out of the top 10,8 are on console;if you continue down the list you'll find most are either on console or already on there way.This website takes the average score from loads of professional review sites and combines them into a score percentage,30+ reviewers can't be wrong,most of the top PC games are also top console games. You look at the consoles,PS3 and Wii in particular and the top games are mainly exclusives.

@machew100 Straws?,anyone know what this guy is on about?

@MEDzZ3RO Wow, looks like I've already proven myself, you're just grasping for straws at this point.

@machew100 Valve are working on bringing steam to the PS3 that would make it alot easier to port PC games over offering necessary updates..etc..,Dragon Age isn't lightyears ahead because the consoles never got any games of the genre before recent times thanks to the better tech in consoles. You clearly don't read much news based on the gaming industry and developper future plans?

@machew100 Fine list of games apart from most aren't "great".Most of the great titles such as Starcraft,Diablo,Crysis...etc.. are all showing interest in coming to PS3

Sins of a Solar Empire, Empire: Total War, Command and Conquer 3, Starcraft 2, any MMO ever (Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, WoW, LOTRO, Runescape, Everquest, City of Heroes), thousands of indie titles (Alien Swarm, Trine, Plain Sight, AudioSurf, Beat Hazard, Darwinia, DEFCON, And Yet It Moves, Everyday Shooter, Osmos), Global Agenda, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series, Arma 2, any Valve game ever, Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Garry's Mod, Dragon Age (PC version is lightyears ahead of console version), Trackmania United, Shattered Horizon, Killing Floor, Supreme Commander (console versions don't count), Dawn of War 2, Company of Heroes, World in Conflict, The Witcher. God, look how right you are, you were SO right about how PC has NO games, oh wait...

@machew100 I don't care about PC controller support etc..,it's as I said before the lack of quality games not found on any other system.It hasn't got the games to back it's specs up;Crysis,Portal (along with most Valve games),Sims 3,Final Fantasy 14 online..etc...,are all coming to consoles. You just said yourself that PC gamers tend to update their graphic cards for $150 every 2-4 years,so no a PC doesn't have the same lifespan,it can't or it's unlikely it'll be able to play all the latest PC games. Both PS3 and 360 aren't running old tech,they can match a middle class gaming PC's for a fraction of the price. The differences between the 360 and PS3 will start to tell from next year onwards,the 360 tech won't be able to match what the PS3 is doing,it's already started with God Of War 3,Gran Turismo 5 and Killzone 3. The reason the consoles are keeping up is because as I said the tech in PS3 and 360 upon release was very good even by PC standards.As you said devs are really trying on the consoles because they know that is where the market lies,most PC games are now starting to come onto both PS3 and 360,in particular Valve Corporation. My bro's an fps gamer even on PC,if you put him on anything like World Of Warcraft or The Sims and he would die of boredom.I personally like the Sims however. There's no point talking on the subject anymore,we are going around in circles.

@MEDzZ3RO Your bro isn't the final word on what's better, I'm putting this in the perspective of "what can each platform give you at their full potential based on hardware/accessories/development etc" and you're just like "well, my brother a big pc gamer himself and he likes consoles better". First of all, you can think your brother is a big time pc gamer while he really just spends so much time on his pc you think he is. Millions of people play world of warcraft, I bet just because you see him on the computer, he's playing world of warcraft for hours, so you deduce him to be a pc guy, but that doesn't mean sh!t.

@MEDzZ3RO You still can't accept the slowing from vsync, you still don't get it that PC's have TONS of gamepad options for anything you would possibly want a controller for. Technically a PC has the exact same lifespan as a console, because an xbox uses the exact same graphics card architecture as pc's, and the xbox 360 has the equivalent of an nvidia 7900. The xbox 360 comes with a dual or tri-core, I can't remember which, and ALL of that could be bought at the time xbox 360 came out and put into a pc, which makes the aging hardware thing invalid, really. Another point you don't know is that console makers lose money off of their consoles when they sell them, so while they might put fairly high-end components into their consoles, they're gambling off the extra revenue from game sales, hence the extra $10 added to console games. The only reason console games "keep up" is because developers who develop the games for any console tweaks the graphics settings to both A) hide the limitations of the system by giving everything a superficial shiny coat/effect that distracts you from the aging hardware, and B) get that "sweet spot" of FPS and graphical quality, as much as they possibly can, optimizing it as hard as they can, although they're still working with old crap.

@machew100 I don't know why you'd think I was for Xbox,I hate the company and the system for multiple reasons involving the way they do business and hardware issues. I'm a PS3 gamer most of the time but I will venture onto the Wii on and off to play the few really good titles it has. I'll say one last time,games make a system not specs;that point was proven by the success the PS2 had even though it was by far the weaker console spec-wise.PC just isn't getting many good games anymore and most the games played most on PC are either already on consoles or on their way. The mouse is quick and accurate but the keyboard is clonky when compared to an analog stick for movement.Fight Night Round 4 is a good case in point,that just wouldn't work with a keyboards clonky buttons.

@machew100 We aren't talking about PCs,we are talking about Killzone 2,which as I said used Vsync to stop the frames getting choppy when you move....;my bro's more the PC gamer but even he favours the consoles. You missed the point I stated in my last comment,it's the games that make the platform,not specs.PC just isn't getting many devs behind them anymore. Consoles tend to have a life span of 5-6 years,in the case of the PS2 10 years,the PS3 senior director stated that he hopes PS3 will get a 10 year life span;that means the average PC gamer has spent an extra $375-$750 just to play all the games that console gamers can put in and play. Consoles can and do download free games via homebrew channels (the Wii homebrew network is huge);as you probably know in recent new 360 users downloaded the new Halo:Reach early,the free games are existant if you know where to look. PC would beat Xbox users be because in a pro gamers hands a mouse is generally quicker then a gamepad but some gamepad professional users are pretty much as quick with high sensitivity settings.

@MEDzZ3RO Vsync is noticable, your lack of knowledge about pcs to begin with shows that you don't know, and still don't know what you're talking about. You're "not much of a pc gamer", you have no idea about any graphics technologies, or screen delays, or anything technically savvy. You're just one of those people that goes "HURR DURR XBAWKS CAN BE PLAYED ON COUCH", PCS ARE SO PRICY. Too bad you can make a perfectly capable gaming pc for $500 if you build it yourself, which really isn't that tough. The graphics card is what really handles just about everything in a game, I'm sure you know that, and the Radeon HD 5770 runs anything you'd possibly want to run on high settings/max'd out these days for $150. People don't usually replace their pcs or upgrade their graphics cards until 2-4 years have passed anyways. You know what PC's can do that consoles can't? Download free games, and handle anything and everything you could possibly need all on one multimedia platform. Not a gimmicky one, the PC is the one true platform for doing everything technology related, admit it. A keyboard and mouse has been proven to be better at control, and Shadowrun is proof of that. Microsoft tried to bring Xbox and PC together and you know what happened? PC beat Xbox users EVERY TIME. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/25/hps-gaming-guy-says-microsoft-killed-cross-platform-play-due-to/

@machew100 Read this: http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/PC-Gaming/PC-Games-a-Dying-Breed/

@machew100 On the sales side of things,unlike consoles where everyone that buys them,use them for gaming.PC gaming numbers is supposedly the number of Gaming PCs bought,but as everyone knows alot don't use them for gaming.They buy them to be used as a regular PC with higher specs. Don't get me wrong,PC was king back in the day but now most of the succesful titles are console ports,apart from games such as Counterstrike,Half-life,The Sims..etc...;even with thise games,most are coming to the consoles.Valve are starting to work on consoles more then they ever have (including PS3 now) with The Orange Box,Left 4 Dead and Portal 2.Crysis 2 is also making it's console debut soon.The PC isn't getting many console exclusives in comparison. The games make a platform,not specs.

@machew100 PCs can do alot technically but everything comes at a price;constant upgrading to play all the latest games can cost as much as a PS3 or 360 or more;it isn't a cost effective way of gaming.Sure some games are cheaper but in recent times some series have pushed the prices up.Consoles are getting alot more support from devs,and you suggesting PC gaming is on the up is rubbish.PC gaming was the entire market not too long ago but now it pales in comparison to the console market (PS3.360,Wii,DS,PSP). When you pla on PC you are essentially using a jumped up typewriter,if that's not the case,why are you using typing peripherals to game?.Consoles are designed specifically for the job and do it in a far more cost effective/practical way.On the subject of what PCs can do,back when the consoles released,the 360 and PS3 were up there with the top end PCs;another thing PC's don't have is a 10year life span without upgrading,consoles do. On Vsync,Killzone 2 doesn't have loads of movement delay,it's un-noticable,it's just when it moves,it's slower.I put a considerable amount of hours into KZ2 online,I know what I'm on about. I'm not going to get into a huge argument over consoles and PCs,it has been done time and time again...........

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@MEDzZ3RO Giving the comparison that human thought is just under a second doesn't make a difference. A realistic comparison would be for me to say: "what if when you looked in the mirror, and tried to move your arm, it didn't instantly move when you commanded it to, but a fraction of a second shortly after. You would feel a SERIOUS loss of control having a slight delay in what you immediately and consciously feel, as well as seeing the difference. Also, pc gaming isn't diminishing, it's increased 6% since a poll was taken in May of this year courtesy of joystiq. A PC is the most effective at any genre because you know what PC's can do? Use an Xbox 360 controller. Your argument is invalid.

@MEDzZ3RO read: www(dot)anandtech(dot)com/show/2794/2

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this game looks sick. im definitely getting it

@machew100 No denying though there are a handful of games I envy PC gamers for.

@machew100 Vsync was used so it didn't get choppy....,your talking about milliseconds when the average human brain takes just under 1second to provoke a thought.The time span your talking about is irrelevant and near unnoticable during gameplay. I'm not much of a PC gamer,no.PC gaming is slowly diminishing and isn't very effective with any other genre then shooters and rpgs.On top of this gameplay between online gamers is unbalanced,the hardware you use can greatly effect how a game performs.I don't like them.

@MEDzZ3RO The vsync doesn't stop the framerate from dropping, capping the frame rate does, which they did do. The framerate probably could've gone higher, but they decided to keep it at a constant 30 so you never notice anything drops. The vsync DOES alter the gameplay. If you own a PC, and own (for instance) Dead Space, if you have vsync turned on, go ahead and play with it on, then turn it off, and see how much more of a difference it makes. It feels like when you move your mouse, your character swings his gun soon after you move your mouse, however, when you turn vsync off, your character's reticule becomes an extension of your hand, instantly moving as your hand moves. I hate when people interject and try to tell me they know something when they don't. Regular mice have 8ms response time, gaming mice have 1ms response time, there's a reason for that. Screens have between 1-8ms, and the effect compounds when you throw vsync in. I have a 2ms monitor, a 1ms mouse and keyboard, and I still feel that vsync makes a huge difference. If you've only played on consoles and have never tampered with vsync on pc, you have no idea what you're talking about.

@machew100 As I said Killzones framerate doesn't drop;........because of Vsync,it's completely relevant.I never directed the 12year old comment directly at you,it was a general statement about the usual age of CoD gamers now;upload a CoD related video and look at the age it's most popular with and you'll find it's the 12-17 year old category. The Vsync "wait" is milliseconds and doesn't alter the Killzone gameplay even the slightest,the devs were aiming for the heavy feel;if you were to read Killzone 3 interviews you'd find that that's something they have worked on changing,i.e: making it quicker and more responsive.If it still isn't to your satisfaction,Killzone isn't for you and you should perhaps look into MoH as I suggested,or even Resistance 3 if your after an CoD alternative fast paced shooter. Lastly,the thread won't become a MW2 flamer-fest because most CoD gamers (based on the majority I know) don't like Killzone.

@MEDzZ3RO I'm not sure you even know how vsync works, either, since you're talking about framerate drops for some reason. I'll break it down for you. Vsync = forcing what displays on your screen that's rendered from the game to 'wait' until both the vertical and horizontal pictures display in the game without "cutting" appearing across the screen from fast movements etc. This vsync keeps what you see from cutting, but your controls are far from instantly responsive, much worse than if they left vsync off and let screen hatching happen. But, since Killzone has the reputation of best visuals ever, they decide to make sure they keep that "beautiful picture" that you see on your screen whole and perfect at all times for visuals-sake, at the cost of controller input lag.

@MEDzZ3RO Thanks for turning this into some kind of "WUT, YOU LIKE MODERN WARFARE? YOU'RE 12." flame thread. I didn't say anything about MW except that the controls are tight. You took this to the next level and decided to drop a wall of text on me for a sentence about how MW's controls are tight and insta-responsive. That's it, that's all I said. All of a sudden I'm an immature 12 year old for saying the words "Modern Warfare" in a killzone chat box. Ugh. I'm scared to see how you respond to other people's comments who actually ARE trolling. There's nothing realistic about control lag. I didn't say anything specifically about sensitivity, I said controls. The fractions of seconds between your controller and Killzone are way worse than the shorter amount of time it takes for your controller to move your crosshair in Modern Warfare.

this looks like some juicy booty, and I can't wait to dive into it.

just had a killgasm

@machew100 No offense but I expect you couldn't get to grips with MAG or Operation Flashpoint either??,like Killzone the gameplay is an acquired taste and they do well to keep the 12 year olds off.CoD is probably the easiest fps to play online at the moment,it's just solo run,gun,kill,rinse and repeat.The victor in most gunfights is often determined by who saw who first (camping,prone) or by who has the better ping (lagswitches,bad hosts).Killzone and Mag suffer from none of these flaws,Flashpoints servers aren't always the greatest though.

@machew100 It's not taxing otherwise we would have constant framerate drop,Killzone 2 was fine.The multiplayer is aimed at a more mature market then then Modern Warfare.....;Modern Warfare is an example of what happens when a game gets too much attention,year after year it steadily digs itself a deeper grave.The controls are good but gameplay is inconsistent and unbalanced,lack of teamwork is also a contributing factor to its flaws.Killzone is balanced,teamwork is key and gameplay is at a realistic pace.Do you seriously believe that someone carrying an LMG can spin around,drop and kill within 1second (due to insane sensitivity) or perhaps getting shot at around a corner?,that's not realism.... Games are supposed to be fun and not always realistic but some of the stuff that goes on in CoD land now is a joke.If you want a game like Cod without the Cod bollocks and kid chat ,play the new Medal Of Honour.

@aashapa The game is so technically taxing on the PS3, that adding vsync to the mix slows your control responsiveness by a lot. If only they weren't so concerned with the screen hatching, the multipilayer would be much stronger. It's so hard to track someone down the sights with the sluggish controls. It's not realistic, it's just egh. Modern Warfare is an example of a game with tight, responsive controls. Thumbs me down all you want, you know the controls are sluggish compared to other games, admit it.

i wanna try that giant gundam like mech in multiplayer! i also wanna play this on a samsung 1080p 240hz 3D tv with ps move. just for kicks.

Killzone FTW!

24 ppl in a map this time btw

http://boards.ign.com/ps3_lobby/b8269/195004247/p1/?15 for all info released so far from gamescon

looks and sounds like its going to be a great game. will pick it up day 1..

@aashapa i agree, the game is meant to have that 'heavy' feel to it. i like it and i think it definatly makes the game more realistic and gruesome.

Senior Producer, Gorilla... Whoever edited it is pro..

@machew100 the game is somewhat meant to be heavy, I mean look at the animations and all that body armor, the controls were fine by me and it also made it feel a little more realistic.

Can't handle the sluggish controls, they need to turn the vsync off on killzone 3 or else I'm not buying. I just can't handle non-instantaneous control/response.

this is gonna be a great game add me if your gona play because im gettin this for my bday

This better run in 60 fps!

So Operations is R2's Co-Op mode? Side missions that fit into the story? Even tho its not original I like that better then just random gay missions like MW2 milked out... epic fail there!

I love KZ2 multiplayer and 3's look incredibly immersive. I can't wait to buy this, the developer seemed to have no doubts that KZ3 is going to be great. About all these people saying it looks like COD well actually COD is for people who can't play FPS properly and need stupidly exaggeratedly fast controls to play welll, Killzone requires skill and patience something COD players don't have so go spout your fanboyism somewhere else!

Ok, VERY MUCH looking forward to this, yet there are a few topics of interest - Move vs. Dualshock, it better be balanced, for me personally Street Fighter IV was ruined by the kids with the gamepads as it's unrealistic to do any moves faster/more precise on regular controller. Vehicles - super great, yet I hope that maps are gonna be more open. Anyone has any idea about the amount of people in multiplayer ?

i just hope it doesnt take to long to get all the abilities. I prefer having the abilities and using em to play for fun rather then playing to unlock the abilities or level up. If i want to play to level up ill play an rpg...