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Feb 9, 2013 6:22 pm GMT
Masked trench coat guy in Blue Lagoon is too small to be chubs.
Why does Scott, chubs, go to rich guy's house and demand who the killer is...he should know.
Maybe not a hole, but where does Scott get time and money to pull this stuff off.
Why did Scott wait over 20 years to start kidnapping kids.
Is Scott psychic when it comes to precipitation? How does he know how much it's going to rain(early in the story all the childen seem to be found after 4 days).
At the clock store, Scott is never alone in the back with the owner to kill him.
Why fake poison Ethan, and still plan on killing him even after finishing the trials.
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Feb 9, 2013 6:56 pm GMT
I just played through a few episodes and saw that the trench guy does look bigger and and is obviously Scott.
But...
More than misleading that the rich guy's son just happened to have been a copycat.
Why did Scott let Laurent follow him around if he was the killer.
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Feb 10, 2013 3:27 pm GMT
Masked trench coat guy in Blue Lagoon is too small to be chubs.
You worked this out below, so yeah no need to go into that one really.
Why does Scott, chubs, go to rich guy's house and demand who the killer is...he should know?
He does know, but someone else (Kramers kid in this case) killed someone so he is trying to find out who the copycat killer is under the guise of looking for the original origami killer, because think about, at that stage who would instantly know it was a copycat killing aside from the actual killer himself?
Maybe not a hole, but where does Scott get time and money to pull this stuff off?
He's retired (but still has the uniform) and as a retired guy he has all the time he needs, plus you have to assume he has some money stashed away from being a cop for how ever many years it was.
Why did Scott wait over 20 years to start kidnapping kids?
This was never really explained, but I can only guess it finally got to him and he snapped. A lot of murderers kill because of abuse at home or a bad start in life, but sometimes not until years later when they are haunted by the memories and such.
Is Scott psychic when it comes to precipitation? How does he know how much it's going to rain? (early in the story all the children seem to be found after 4 days).
The more detailed weather reports might list how much rain is likely to fall? Possibly anyway. Plus Scott wasn't really 100% on if they would be saved or not, but let's face it all the challenges he gives could all be done within a few hours if the father was really desperate (which is exactly what Scott was searching for), 4 days just happens to be how long it took for the rain water to drown them, it was after that when Scott then dumps the body on marshlands/waste lands with the orchid and origami figure etc.
So the children were not found after 4 days (in the well for example), their bodies were found by the police, after Scott left the body in waste land where the police would be able to find it.
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Feb 10, 2013 3:28 pm GMT
At the clock store, Scott is never alone in the back with the owner to kill him.
During the actual clock store segment, you are given somewhat of a close up on Lauren looking at a music box, as a clock chimes really loudly (possibly to cover up the sound of Scott smashing a phone into the back of the owners head), then he is seen sort of standing looking shifty at the back of the shop right near the door/opening.
This was shown once during the actual segment, and again at the end of the game in the mini flashbacks where Scott is sitting at his desk burning the evidence (if you get that ending).
Why fake poison Ethan, and still plan on killing him even after finishing the trials?
Scott was trying to find a father desperate enough to do anything to find his son, even drink poison, which Ethan wasn't to know was fake after all.
As for why he planned to kill him afterwards anyway, who knows? He's a guy that kidnaps children and puts their lives in danger just to be able to find a 'good parent' as he put it, so you have to imagine he wasn't completely 'right' in the head to begin with.
Why did Scott let Lauren follow him around if he was the killer?
He wasn't going to at first (as shown in the scene where she leaves his car), but he then feels sorry for her and lets her back in afterwards. Possibly this was because he had fallen in love with her, or possibly because he's a lot older then her so felt like a faux-father figure to her, something which he himself has looked for ever since he was a child.
Sorry for the double post, but apparently you can only have 5 quote blocks per post. Hope that helps
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Feb 12, 2013 6:43 pm GMT
RichPlaystation posted...Why fake poison Ethan, and still plan on killing him even after finishing the trials?
Scott was trying to find a father desperate enough to do anything to find his son, even drink poison, which Ethan wasn't to know was fake after all.
As for why he planned to kill him afterwards anyway, who knows? He's a guy that kidnaps children and puts their lives in danger just to be able to find a 'good parent' as he put it, so you have to imagine he wasn't completely 'right' in the head to begin with.
As I understand it, if Ethan is the only person to make it to the warehouse, then Scott will not only never try to kill Ethan, but will actually allow Ethan to shoot him (though you as Ethan can choose whether or not to do so).
Of course, this creates the issue of why Scott would try to kill Ethan in one playthrough but not in another when, as far as he is concerned, nothing has changed between them. So yeah, I think it can still basically be chalked up to "Scott be crazy".
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Feb 13, 2013 9:18 am GMT
I really don't want to go through and respond to each of these individually since most of the supposed plot holes in this game have been talking about again and again and hammered into the ground since release, but I'll throw this out there....
Why fake poison Ethan, and still plan on killing him even after finishing the trials?
It wasn't about just killing him. He really didn't want to do it at the end. He probably wanted closure; for Ethan to finally succeed and find Shaun at the end. It's something that he said he "waited his whole life for".
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Feb 13, 2013 12:04 pm GMT
How do you think I did?
I was answering from memory, back a few months at least.
Yet to hear back from the topic starter, so I have to assume his thirst has been quenched
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Feb 14, 2013 12:01 pm GMT
The big problem I always had was when Shelby is basically told he'll be killed if he continues trying to find out who the (copycat) killer is. Why does he then continue, knowing full well he's going to be killed, knowing he is in fact the killer, and knowing that dying will destroy everything he's tried to do.
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Feb 16, 2013 4:43 pm GMT
TrulyEpicLawls posted...The big problem I always had was when Shelby is basically told he'll be killed if he continues trying to find out who the (copycat) killer is. Why does he then continue, knowing full well he's going to be killed, knowing he is in fact the killer, and knowing that dying will destroy everything he's tried to do.
I just assumed he was trying to frame Gordi as an attempt to punish pappy Kramer because it was his construction site where his brother died.
Also, as far as why does he continue after being threatened, because Lauren is hanging around and he can't just do nothing with her constantly bugging him.
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Feb 16, 2013 6:56 pm GMT
Big one for me (besides the dropped plot line that left us with Ethan holding origami figures) was Madison being told the killer's name. She jerked up instantly. Now I can buy maybe she had come across Scott's name while researching the story (since he was investigating), but that reaction? Would only make sense if she heard Ethan's name.
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Feb 16, 2013 7:08 pm GMT
I assumed that was just because she either recognised his name as you said, or because she happened to know his name from when he used to be in the police force. As a journalist who investigated crimes and such, you might well know the guys at the local police station by name.
I don't remember how long ago Scott quit the force though, if it was in his 20's say, back then she would have been too young.
Either that or just simple shock to finding a name out at all? Her reaction may be a little much for just hearing the name of the killer without knowing who that name leads to, but we all act different to news I guess.
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Feb 18, 2013 12:44 am GMT
RichPlaystation posted...
He's retired (but still has the uniform) and as a retired guy he has all the time he needs, plus you have to assume he has some money stashed away from being a cop for how ever many years it was.
He's only 44, cops don't make much money, and he is from a poor family and was sent to a foster home. I don't know if he is recently retired or not, but that makes very little sense even if he joined the force as soon as he could.
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Feb 20, 2013 1:43 pm GMT
JohnnyKevlar posted...He's only 44
Oh yeah, there's another plot hole. Well, more bad character design and writing anyway.
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Feb 22, 2013 12:27 pm GMT
git2thechoppa posted...JohnnyKevlar posted...
He's only 44
Oh yeah, there's another plot hole. Well, more bad character design and writing anyway.
In more ways than one. Other than looking late-50s, there's the fact that the game doesn't know what year it's in, so his age could still be anything really.
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Feb 24, 2013 7:14 pm GMT
-scott can run into the back room, brain somebody over the head with a typewriter, open the window and call the cops on himself in less than the five seconds it takes for the clocks to finish ringing
-he calls the cops on himself after he kills manfred for no reason other than to make things harder
-why scott continues to chase the kramer kid even though he could easily find another person to "investigate" that has a much lower chance of being able to kill him
-being in a pool of water for a day not just killing shawn due to several different issues related to being in a pool of water for a day
-the blackouts never being explained and why ethan has an origami figurine after shawn gets kidnapped (and david cage not knowing what a macguffin is)
-how scott gets all the money and time to set up even half the trials
-why jason away from his dad, out of the mall, crosses the street and then immediately runs for his dad when he sees him so he can die from a cab going about 5 mph
-why scott thinks "boy i sure need to catch the origami killer before shawn is dead" in his internal monologue
-ethan puking next to the corpse of the dead drug dealer and nobody ever tracing it back to him(though this ties into every cop in the movie being an incompetent moron)
-the cops thinking ethan is the killer based solely on his blackouts even though the shrink tells them they started two years ago even though the killings started three years ago
-absolutely nobody bringing the previous thing up even though it's obvious to anybody who knows basic math ((though this ties into every person in the game being an incompetent moron)
-why madison constantly someone who she has every right to believe is the origami killer early on (i think aiding a serial killer is a
little far when you're writing an article)
-why the local police force can boss around an fbi agent
-that david cage is still allowed to write a script
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http://i.imgur.com/ytetf.gifFeb 24, 2013 7:26 pm GMT
and i guess why his personality completely changes between not caring whether he dies or not if ethan gets to the warehouse alone and planning on killing ethan/trying to murder more so he wont' go to jail depending on who makes it to the warehouse but that's more inconsistent writing so jayden can have another tedious and weightless kung-fu fight on top of the warehouse
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http://i.imgur.com/ytetf.gifFeb 24, 2013 11:08 pm GMT
ILikeMajora posted...--the cops thinking ethan is the killer based solely on his blackouts even though the shrink tells them they started two years ago even though the killings started three years ago
What Jayden says is, "Eight victims in the last three years." I don't think it's impossible that he was referring to the current year, the previous year, and the year before that (it's in the fall, and the year is getting close to over anyway). This would sync up with Jason's accident. In fact, I kind of wonder if witnessing it was what prompted Scott to go on his spree.
It could also be a small mistake, since at one point the year of the events is given as 2012, rather than 2011; they may have forgotten to change the line to "last two years" to reflect that. In any case, I think the killings were MEANT to have begun the year of Jason's accident.
Feb 28, 2013 5:07 am GMT
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