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c_yoder

Nov 27, 2012 10:56 am GMT
arturo228 posted...
Well then hopefully she has a twin.

Hypothetically (as Spaz said, PS2 era characters aren't returning), she would have to, I'd think. Because even in GTA:SA, Catalina came off as antagonistic, and I couldn't envision her EVER being a protag. Of course, I can't imagine her having a twin, either, but again this is just hypothetical.
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deltamustang_65

Nov 27, 2012 1:15 pm GMT
So, ah...has 'ol bluntie bothered to post after the original?
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beardface21

Nov 27, 2012 2:53 pm GMT
deltamustang_65 posted...
beardface21 posted...
Look, if Rockstar wants to make a female lead, then they should do it with quality. Not just to amuse some folk.

The whole point of a game is to amuse some folk.

All I'm going to say is that it's much harder for me to relate to a woman, and relating to the character is a big thing to the Housers.

Hmmm...that almost sounds as hard as relating to, well...ANY of the main characters of the GTA games. Seriously, gender is where you draw the line? How superficial. And sad.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Elizabeta being that powerful and having scores of goons at her disposal. She was more like the Queen hood rat of Bohan.

You people seriously need to pick a side. All women are only good for washing dishes and making sammiches, or being "queen hoodrat"? Two sides of the same coin, if you ask me. Are you really that afraid of intricacy or depth or character?

I am picking a side dude, and that's whatever the Housers do. All I'm saying is make female character as in depth as they do all of their main characters since this game generation dropped.

And Elizabeta is the Queen Hoodrat in comparison to the other mobsters in the game. That doesn't mean she should be in the kitchen (in my opinion she can stay away from the fridge).

As for amusing folk, yeah GTA always has done that, but then they took a slightly different approach and made Niko a bit more humbling than outright insane like Tommy.

Johnny was another one in that direction, and perhaps even Luis.

And it maybe superficial and sad to you, but that's just my thoughts on the matter. It's just video games at the end of the day. Anything superficial is taken with a grain of salt.
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Shiang

Nov 27, 2012 7:12 pm GMT
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Shiang

Nov 27, 2012 7:16 pm GMT
I reject the opinion that a woman "wouldn't fit" GTA.

A character in GTA is designed to create chaos and gain fame and power within their world. A female character is as capable of that as a man is. The issue is an inherent belief amongst the fanbase, and possibly the R* themselves, that a man can do X, Y and Z, whilst a woman can only do X, Y or Z.

I believe that R* are capable of creating a balanced female character who stepped out of the kitchen and took on the world. However, considering how R* have treated women so far in their games, I doubt they would choose to do so for several reasons.

The first and foremost reason is that they would risk alienating their fanbase by committing the atrocity of condemning them to play as a female character. Any insecure sexist who believed that men were superior to women would dislike something that challenged that belief. Especially if that video game represented the woman as something other than a sexy outfit with a gun.

The second reason is that having a balanced female character would require a choice between showing that woman to be a "manly" bad*** who blasted through everything in her way, or to have her be a broken bird who required the protection of a man to guide her through the cruel, cold streets. The first is unrealistic (but who cares? It is a video game after all) and the second is patronising (but would reassure all those insecure minds out there.)

The third reason is that no female lead character would satisfy the entirety of the male-dominated fanbase. They would claim she wasn't attractive enough, strong enough, easy enough - issues that a male lead character would never have to deal with, and issues that would threaten the marketability of such a game.

Those are the issues of having a female protagonist. That's why R* won't have one, because they won't risk alienating the fanbase and losing all of their money. At the end of the day, they're just another company who want to make money.

But if the fanbase were willing to accept her, I'm certain that a woman could fit the cut for a GTA game.
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DarkchocolateX

Nov 27, 2012 7:16 pm GMT
Shiang posted...
I reject the opinion that a woman "wouldn't fit" GTA.

*Kicks Shiang on the bottom* GET 'kicks again' THE 'Kicks twice this time a little harder' HELL OUT OF HERE! 'roundhouses Shiang's bottom out the topic door'

Stubborn bastard. And don't come back!
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adz-spec

Nov 27, 2012 11:38 pm GMT
arturo228 posted...
Well then hopefully she has a twin.

Her twin would have to be part of the same universe for them to be related. And that universe is finished.
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wokiboy67

Nov 28, 2012 12:48 am GMT
Shiang posted...
I reject the opinion that a woman "wouldn't fit" GTA.

A character in GTA is designed to create chaos and gain fame and power within their world. A female character is as capable of that as a man is. The issue is an inherent belief amongst the fanbase, and possibly the R* themselves, that a man can do X, Y and Z, whilst a woman can only do X, Y or Z.

I believe that R* are capable of creating a balanced female character who stepped out of the kitchen and took on the world. However, considering how R* have treated women so far in their games, I doubt they would choose to do so for several reasons.

The first and foremost reason is that they would risk alienating their fanbase by committing the atrocity of condemning them to play as a female character. Any insecure sexist who believed that men were superior to women would dislike something that challenged that belief. Especially if that video game represented the woman as something other than a sexy outfit with a gun.

The second reason is that having a balanced female character would require a choice between showing that woman to be a "manly" bad*** who blasted through everything in her way, or to have her be a broken bird who required the protection of a man to guide her through the cruel, cold streets. The first is unrealistic (but who cares? It is a video game after all) and the second is patronising (but would reassure all those insecure minds out there.)

The third reason is that no female lead character would satisfy the entirety of the male-dominated fanbase. They would claim she wasn't attractive enough, strong enough, easy enough - issues that a male lead character would never have to deal with, and issues that would threaten the marketability of such a game.

Those are the issues of having a female protagonist. That's why R* won't have one, because they won't risk alienating the fanbase and losing all of their money. At the end of the day, they're just another company who want to make money.

But if the fanbase were willing to accept her, I'm certain that a woman could fit the cut for a GTA game.

Good,now we know why there's no female protagonist. Thank you sir!
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DarkchocolateX

Nov 28, 2012 1:29 am GMT
wokiboy67 posted...
Shiang posted...
I reject the opinion that a woman "wouldn't fit" GTA.

A character in GTA is designed to create chaos and gain fame and power within their world. A female character is as capable of that as a man is. The issue is an inherent belief amongst the fanbase, and possibly the R* themselves, that a man can do X, Y and Z, whilst a woman can only do X, Y or Z.

I believe that R* are capable of creating a balanced female character who stepped out of the kitchen and took on the world. However, considering how R* have treated women so far in their games, I doubt they would choose to do so for several reasons.

The first and foremost reason is that they would risk alienating their fanbase by committing the atrocity of condemning them to play as a female character. Any insecure sexist who believed that men were superior to women would dislike something that challenged that belief. Especially if that video game represented the woman as something other than a sexy outfit with a gun.

The second reason is that having a balanced female character would require a choice between showing that woman to be a "manly" bad*** who blasted through everything in her way, or to have her be a broken bird who required the protection of a man to guide her through the cruel, cold streets. The first is unrealistic (but who cares? It is a video game after all) and the second is patronising (but would reassure all those insecure minds out there.)

The third reason is that no female lead character would satisfy the entirety of the male-dominated fanbase. They would claim she wasn't attractive enough, strong enough, easy enough - issues that a male lead character would never have to deal with, and issues that would threaten the marketability of such a game.

Those are the issues of having a female protagonist. That's why R* won't have one, because they won't risk alienating the fanbase and losing all of their money. At the end of the day, they're just another company who want to make money.

But if the fanbase were willing to accept her, I'm certain that a woman could fit the cut for a GTA game.

Good,now we know why there's no female protagonist. Thank you sir!

Also, Trevor looks like a super male-model. Guys a freakin icon.
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_white_rabbit

Nov 28, 2012 1:56 am GMT
Dat combover...........
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c_yoder

Nov 28, 2012 7:23 am GMT
_white_rabbit posted...
Dat combover...........

Allow me.

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TwilightZone18

Nov 28, 2012 10:38 am GMT
Shiang, women assume men are weak minded because they can't accept the fact that they understand us just as little as we understand them. Women have been trying to hold up this argument that they're intellectually superior since the sixties. The problem with that is that it's totally stupid. Individuals are intelligent; it's not determined by your sex.
The reason the characters are male is because the writers are male and the larger part of the audience is male and men relate better to male characters. Haven't you ever listened to interviews with writers who talk about how difficult it is to write from the point of view of the opposite sex? I've read some books by women who clearly don't understand men at all. That's just the way it is; women will never understand men and vise versa.
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deltamustang_65

Nov 28, 2012 1:01 pm GMT
*inspects R* staff*

Well there's yer problem!

*hires wimmin*
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c_yoder

Nov 28, 2012 1:44 pm GMT
deltamustang_65 posted...
*inspects R* staff*

Well there's yer problem!

*hires wimmin*

Not a good idea. The last time I tried to hire a woman, she was an undercover cop and I got slapped with a fine by The Man. It's no wonder women had to fight so long (and still are, to some extent) for equality in the US.
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yaboy

Nov 28, 2012 1:54 pm GMT
I always assumed it's because they're just not good at things.
deltamustang_65

Nov 28, 2012 2:00 pm GMT
yaboy posted...
I always assumed it's because they're just not good at things.

You're just not hangin' around the right kinda woman.
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robo_rob

Nov 28, 2012 3:19 pm GMT
deltamustang_65 posted...
yaboy posted...
I always assumed it's because they're just not good at things.

You're just not hangin' around the right kinda woman.

Ahhhh!!!! SO NOBLE AAAAHHHH!!!!
c_yoder

Nov 28, 2012 3:38 pm GMT
From: deltamustang_65
yaboy posted...
I always assumed it's because they're just not good at things.

You're just not hangin' around the right kinda woman.

Take that with a grain of salt, Yaboy. Delta prefers the company of women that used to be men. Or so his Wikipedia page would have you believe.
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adz-spec

Nov 29, 2012 12:17 am GMT
deltamustang_65 posted...
*inspects R* staff*

Well there's yer problem!

*hires wimmin*

Are they in binders, though? They gotta be in binders.
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DanseMacabreOG

Nov 29, 2012 12:20 am GMT
You're just not hangin' around the right kinda woman.

pfffft lame.