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- Jan 13, 2013 12:28 am GMTMore car customization options, better tracks, and more emphasis on nascar and F1 !
- Jan 13, 2013 2:15 pm GMTMassively improved AI and a bigger focus on online play. They need to rein in the feature bloat too, cut the extraneous elements and go back to a GT/GT3 style game.
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Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.The price of getting what you want is getting what once you wanted. - Jan 13, 2013 5:47 pm GMT"Is it so hard to imagine that for every Skyline they don't include, they could potentially have space for other cars? Or interiors? Or, if you like the current setup of GT, more race suits and paint chips?"
And there's the mistake again, even after I pointed it out.
It's false precisely BECAUSE the Skylines don't take any time to produce. It's a copy and paste job and then you alter the logos and/or rear spoiler, and link to a slightly different power curve. That way, they can include lots of different Skylines without putting any work in. It's 5 minutes effort per Skyline, instead of up to 6 months (literally) for creating a brand new premium car from scratch.
If they dropped all the extra Skylines, they would NOT end up with any extra time on their hands. Therefore they would not be able to include any other cars. This isn't a golden bullet that somehow allows PD lots of extra programmers/artists for free. As I said, it's a straight choice between having them or not having them. Including them does not subtract development effort from ANY other car or feature.
And "space" - I presume you mean disc space? Come on, we're using BD now. There's 50 gigabytes on those things. It's not a factor in the slightest. And I think the standard PS3 in the UK now comes with a 500 GB hard drive. Removing Skylines will not give PD any extra disk space that could be used for something else. The only noticeable difference would be download speed, but I don't think we've been able to download a standard car yet... - Jan 13, 2013 5:56 pm GMTOnce again; of those two cars, which would you prefer?
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Get big or die tryin'. - Jan 13, 2013 7:05 pm GMTActually, before you answer that let's backtrack a minute Doc. You willingly admit that the standard acts are all copy pasted from previous games. If you're happy with this, what sort if message does that send to PD? That they can release GT6 as nothing but GT5 with a slightly worse GUI.
Seriously Doc, is that what you REALLY want? Because if you're fine with standard cars, you're saying to them that no matter how badly they ruin the series, you'll buy it out of some misguided notion that they can **** on your plate and you'll still call it fine cuisine.
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Get big or die tryin'. - Jan 13, 2013 7:08 pm GMT
I want this "McLaren McLaren MP4-12C Chrome":
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/SSC_Tuatara_by_J.Smith831_-_001.jpg - Jan 13, 2013 9:32 pm GMTDarkDoc posted...
"Are you actually suggesting that you can't buy an FGT if you don't have an Internet connection?"
If I remember correctly, it comes up three times in 11,000+ cycles of the UCD. I'm all for having rare cars, but not when you NEED a car for a particular race, then it should be easier to get. If they want it in a large UCD, then they could at least have allowed the Ferraris in the FGT championship.
"That's another thing that Forza 4 does right imo, all cars are available in free play mode"
You're right there. Previous GT games handled arcade mode better, where you can either unlock more cars by winning races, or you can automatically use you own entire garage, without any of this Favorite nonsense.
"Then there are the times where I'm playing at 3:00am"
I've not played with this stuff much, but can't replay ghosts be sent to friends in GT5?
"Keep everything else the same or improve it. Like they always have.
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Exactly. The way I see it, every GT game is better than the last, and when it starts out as good as GT1, it's clear we have a very good game on our hands. It's added a massive choice of cars, weather, damage, more cars on track, online, new modes, etc. It certainly could never be called a bad game.
"Are you just being intentionally dense? Where did I say "worst game ever" when I'm obviously a fan?"
It's not a direct quote from you, but the sentiment expressed by you and others is that a game sucks because of Skylines. The way I see it, the only 3 valid forms of criticism for a game are:
(1) There is something bad in the game, and it could be improved by taking it out
(2) There is something good that is not in the game, and it could be improved by adding it
(3) There is something that the game does badly.
Saying there are "Too many Skylinez" seems like it belongs in category (1), but it actually doesn't. The point is, you're not forced to buy/use/collect cars, it's all optional. Some people like those cars and some don't. Cluttering up your collection can be a good thing if you like that sort of thing. And nobody's gonna say "GT6 only has one Skyline, and for this reason it's so much better than GT5 and is the most amazing game ever made!1!"
Sure, there is always room for improvement (more events, the menus, Skoda, more tracks, including more rally tracks, those suicidal people running around with cameras at Grand Canyon, a full 55 cars on track at LM, etc, etc). But chopping out cars on a whim isn't one of them.
"I can think of better things I'd rather have in its place"
It's a completely false argument. I'd be the first to agree that cloning a Skyline is lazy and takes no work at all. But by not having all those Skylines, this will NOT free up development time, create extra members of staff, or free up disc space so that you can have more Lambos instead.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that if they hadn't included all those Skylines, then you would have got something else for free, because you wouldn't. (unless your idea would be to have a "special color" green F40 with yellow wingmirrors, which kind of makes you fall into the same trap!)
The choice is either do you want all those extra (and almost identical) cars, or do you not want them. There are no other aspects to it or other factors that would impact anything else. And in that case, why not have them.
Is it that rare? I never check used car shop, except between playing for a day, so God knows what cars I have missed, but I have had the FGT once, and the 2J Chapparel twice, I bought it the second time. Escudo is the only car I marginally want but have not seen, because I got the Nomad Diablo as a prize for winning extreme. - Jan 13, 2013 10:23 pm GMTMOAR KARTS! (as in like different types and where the 125/250's actually change gears)
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"I'm going to be rolling, no swimming in gil, Kupo!." - Mog FFXIII-2 - Jan 14, 2013 11:04 am GMTConsistency is my biggest thing
No two tier cars, no 8 cars on tracks in some races and 16 in others, no change in damage amounts, let everything have a race mod.
If something is an option for one part of the game, I want that option across the entire thing.
If you go out of your way to note the facelifted version of the car exists, give us the facelifted version of the car.
Or going further, if the real car exists, get rid of the concept. Or give us more concepts.
Just have everything pick a side and go with it. - Jan 14, 2013 3:29 pm GMT"You willingly admit that the standard acts are all copy pasted from previous games"
Actually, that's not what I said. i said the Skylines are copied from each other. Meaning both standards and premiums all come from a couple of models.
As for stuff carried over from previous games, yeah, it's great, isn't it? Just having 200 cars would be so 1999.
"is that what you REALLY want? Because if you're fine with standard cars, you're saying to them that no matter how badly they ruin the series, you'll buy it out of some misguided notion that they can **** on your plate and you'll still call it fine cuisine."
Not true. They did put in an effort with GT5 and improved it in nearly all areas. As I've said, damage, weather, time changes and a seventh car on-track were all major things for me (what I considered to be the only problems with the series). The Caterham is now drivable, so that's another plus. There are more than 2 cars in a rally, so that's another plus. Then they threw in another load of bonus features like 7.1 PCM sound and 3D, online and HD. I'm over the moon. As long as things continue in this direction, they'll get my money for GT6:-)
I'm satisfied with standard models because they drive EXACTLY THE SAME as premiums and I never see my own car anyway in the bumper-cam. Even when you do see your own car, it's normally extremely difficult to tell the difference (as proven by countless Youtube members). My message to PD - keep it up, you're going in the right direction. To be honest, all they need to do is add Silverstone and at least 20 cars on every grid, and I'll be sleepwalking into the store whether they made any new premiums or not.
"Is it that rare? I never check used car shop"
There's a thread where people collaborate to list out the whole thing, with the aim of making a tool to predict how long you need to wait:
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=134403
I've not checked the data for a while (I think it's still ongoing), but several months ago I did a pivot table and got a count of 3 out of thousands (ask me if you want a link to my Google spreadsheet)
"No two tier cars, no 8 cars on tracks "
My only problem with two tier cars is that they are on separate menus. I only wish there was a way to find/sort/filter my entire car collection, instead of always having to do it twice. As for cars on track, yeah, more is better. We especially need more in split screen mode. Consistency would certainly improve the game. Not sure what your point about concepts is though - sometimes the concept is important or interesting because it is different from the final version. - Jan 14, 2013 3:18 pm GMTOnce again you've avoided my question; out of the Skyline and the 250 Testarossa, which would you pick?
Besides, saying you're fine with what PD has already done is just validating that they pull the same crap in the future. If you really want GT6 to be any good, you would WANT these changes we're arguing for. Since you so vehemently argue against what would improve the series, I can only conclude that in reality you hate the games and want them to fail.
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Get big or die tryin'. - Jan 14, 2013 3:52 pm GMTI'll agree on the consistency point, except for the number of cars on track per race. Some tracks are more appropriate for larger fields than others. Sarthe or Nurburgring would be fine for a field of 16+ cars. Tsukuba or London on the other hand would be a bit crowded with that many.
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Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.The price of getting what you want is getting what once you wanted. - Jan 16, 2013 12:25 pm GMT^ Yeah, you've got as point about ultra-short tracks. I def would not want 30 cars on Autumn Mini or whatever, but in real life most non-endurance races have around 15-25 cars, so 20 should be the kind of standard we expect as the default.
"out of the Skyline and the 250 Testarossa, which would you pick?"
Well, not that it matters, but I was an Out Run fan, so it's obvious. But if PD don't have the time or staff to make the Testarossa, then we can't have a Testarossa. Sad but true. I can't see what this has to do with cloning Skylines though. I've already made it clear that they wouldn't be able to put in one of these cars or the other. One is just a new wheel arch with a new sponsor, and the other is a completely new model, representing many months of work, so it's not a straight swap, and that's why the question is irrelevant.
"saying you're fine with what PD has already done is just validating that they pull the same crap in the future"
I'm well aware of PD's motivations. Fact is, I am happy with the quality and all the new features of GT5. Judging by the sales figures, so is the general public. Since the latter is what matters most, and since a couple of minor points by a very small minority is not what drives their business decisions, I can only hope we will get more of the same. I can't see that they would release a game that's worse than the one before - I trust them to include a few more features and a few more cars and tracks in GT6, and that will suit me fine. I don't want them to refocus on something else, or to change the game into something it's not. - Jan 16, 2013 1:18 pm GMTThat is exactly the sort of complacent attitude that causes developers to become complacent and release rubbish. I'm starting to wonder if you'll ever grasp the concept that it is OKAY to find fault with something you like. That's what I'm doing Doc.
I like GT. I like GT's 1 through 4, but I felt 5 was a massive let down. So I started criticising it in the hopes that when others did as well PD would lift their game (pun intended) and improve the next one. By saying you're fine with this just let's them keep going.
By the way, you keep mentioning sales data. How many of those people who purchased the game hated it and returned it? How many threw it away in a cupboard and never played it again? We never got a demo (prologue was a completely different game) so people had no idea what to expect.
Sales data doesn't prove squat. In fact, I bet the sales figures for GT6 will be way down compared to 5 due to the people who got burned by buying 5 (me included) voting with our wallets.
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Get big or die tryin'. - Jan 16, 2013 2:21 pm GMT"I'm starting to wonder if you'll ever grasp the concept that it is OKAY to find fault with something you like"
Sure. And I've listed at least a dozen faults with GT5 in other threads. Some people call me the king of criticism because I'm hyper-critical of loads of stuff. There are problems with the game, some of which are fixed easily and some not so easily.
"I like GT. I like GT's 1 through 4, but I felt 5 was a massive let down"
Partly because of the delays in the release, right? Inevitably some people would be disappointed after waiting for so many years. Which is another reason for them not to be so perfectionist and release the game sooner rather than later. The hype would not get out of control, people get to play the game earlier, and everybody's happy (because likely the perceived quality would be higher due to elevated expectation).
Besides, there's a law of diminishing returns. In the early days, working on the game for a month improves it. But after 3 years, working on the game for another month doesn't improve it as much. If you're too much of a perfectionist, then there's even a risk the game will ever come out because you're never happy with it.
Compare Michael Jackson. He recorded 100 songs for every album, and that's why it took 5 years between albums. That's too long. I would rather have had 12 MJ albums, than the 6 that he actually released while he was with Sony. Same thing with games.
"By the way, you keep mentioning sales data. How many of those people who purchased the game hated it and returned it?"
Judging by the strength of the online community, and the number of posts on boards like this, and the continuing update support, probably most people are still playing it. - Jan 18, 2013 8:02 am GMTI would like the same content as GT5 but vastly expanded on. More cars, courses, events. It would be a shame to lose cars and tracks.
- Jan 18, 2013 1:39 pm GMT^ yeah, exactly.
Anyway, today I got thinking in quite some depth about the implications of weather in the game. I'd like a fully dynamic extreme weather system. Imagine that as well as rain, you could have strong wind, hail and snow...
I'd considered weather before, not not imagined what this would mean for the game. it would essentially mean that GT5 would have 71 snow tracks instead of 4, and other than the time to develop the code, this would be for free. Every circuit, and every city could become a rally stage.
Eiskurve actually got its name because it's normally the last place on the Nurburgring for the ice to melt. It's a shame we can't take the corner in this way. And who doesn't get a shiver from watching control like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QohDmo4gqQE
So aside from more tracks and cars, if I could have one new feature, I'd probably want it to be this. - Jan 18, 2013 6:05 pm GMTDarkDoc posted...
Anyway, today I got thinking in quite some depth about the implications of weather in the game. I'd like a fully dynamic extreme weather system. Imagine that as well as rain, you could have strong wind, hail and snow...
I'd considered weather before, not not imagined what this would mean for the game. it would essentially mean that GT5 would have 71 snow tracks instead of 4, and other than the time to develop the code, this would be for free. Every circuit, and every city could become a rally stage.
Eiskurve actually got its name because it's normally the last place on the Nurburgring for the ice to melt. It's a shame we can't take the corner in this way. And who doesn't get a shiver from watching control like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QohDmo4gqQE
So aside from more tracks and cars, if I could have one new feature, I'd probably want it to be this.
That's a pretty good idea, but taking into account the number of tracks in the game that feature weather change I'd imagine is something pretty difficulty to include in a game for current consoles. It will pretty cool if they make it happen, though.
I had seen that video before, it's pretty crazy how much the car dances even on the straights.
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- Jan 19, 2013 2:04 am GMTA better balance of Japanese vs Western Cars.
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Sully - I don't know about this... it seems... kinda hinky.
Drake - Hinky? You act as if you've never seen a German U-boat in the middle of the Amazon before! - Jan 21, 2013 3:43 am GMTMost of the good ideas I've thought have already been posted, sooo...
More Skylines.
Yeah, I'm serious. And I'd thank that whenever I get the 1000 ticket, it's not the Celica ST165 three times in a row.
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