Why do u have to pay for XBOX Live?

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#1 Posted by Ghost_Killa14 (38 posts) -

im just asking this b/c im really curious why u ppl have to pay to play (online).

I dont really know much about the 360, but what is more bettter in live than the playstation network ? (hope u guys get what im saying!)

#2 Posted by spyder_r0de0 (171 posts) -

because microsoft is a greedy corporation

#3 Posted by Cepasa221 (274 posts) -
it is a service
#4 Posted by R7_3 (1565 posts) -
XBOX Live is better because it is easier to find matches,more people own 360's than PS3's so it's generally faster finding people to play with or against,which also means that there are more stupid people fighting with each other, but you can mute them so that's no big deal, and my brother has a PS3 so i have tried both and i can honestly say that XBL is better than Playstation online by far, even though i do wish it was free also
#5 Posted by R7_3 (1565 posts) -
and because bill gates didn't get rich by giving things away for free
#6 Posted by Ket87 (3840 posts) -
We really don't need to pay, our money goes to all the frivalous aspects of Live and Microsoft does not take the money and do with it what is really needed is dedicated servers. If PC games can have dedicated servers for lag free gaming why the hell does Microsoft not just take our money and do something usefull and create servers so stupid issues like hosting doesn't happen.
#8 Posted by cool_baller (12491 posts) -
Listen, you get what u pay for
#9 Posted by killerfist (19827 posts) -

We really don't need to pay, our money goes to all the frivalous aspects of Live and Microsoft does not take the money and do with it what is really needed is dedicated servers. If PC games can have dedicated servers for lag free gaming why the hell does Microsoft not just take our money and do something usefull and create servers so stupid issues like hosting doesn't happen.Ket87

thats because there are too many people on xbl for dedicated xboxlive servers. the dedicated servers you see now in COD4 and Halo, belong to the dev.companies.

#10 Posted by teebeenz (4362 posts) -
Microsoft is in the business of making money not making happy customers.
#11 Posted by Elann2008 (32991 posts) -

We really don't need to pay, our money goes to all the frivalous aspects of Live and Microsoft does not take the money and do with it what is really needed is dedicated servers. If PC games can have dedicated servers for lag free gaming why the hell does Microsoft not just take our money and do something usefull and create servers so stupid issues like hosting doesn't happen.Ket87

Once again, Ket is right. You always make a good point. Most of the money we put into Microsoft should be rewarded on the other end, which is us. And Xbox Live for free would be a great start. Now, we all pay the same price for XBL, and yet we get some crappy service problems like disconnection errors, lag, etc. I guess nothing is perfect, but I believe in great service. We're not playing for free you know and there is no excuse in the world for bad service. We pay, you service. Simple. Now some of you are thinking, dont use XBL then. Then what the hell am I suppose to use? Now I'm speaking for the general public, I haven't had much lag issues or connection errors, except when I play Gears of War. Other multiplayer games are fine. You know what they say, you cant get something from nothing. That's the cold hard truth.

#12 Posted by fdsfgs (1678 posts) -

because microsoft is a greedy corporation

spyder_r0de0
#13 Posted by LeFlack (78 posts) -

The amount of money we the consumers have spent on Gears of War, Halo 3 and COD4 let alone the £40 on LIVE, we should be able to play these games with no problem. I always found really bad lag issues on Halo 2 and 3 when I went into a big team battle match up. I'm sure if you asked microsoft they'd give you some long winded answer on my you have to pay the yearly fee. Being able to download movies, demos, themes etc.. is all fantastic but really all I want is to play the top online games like the ones I've mentioned at the beginning with no lag on dedicated servers. Then we might be able to have 32-64 player matches as well. £40 is a little steep I believe

#14 Posted by ukillwegrill (3528 posts) -

Now, we all pay the same price for XBLElann2008

We dont.

#15 Posted by decepticondevil (3607 posts) -

I think a better question is.....

If I'm paying $50 a year, why do I then have to pay for some stupid picture to use as my avatar, or to download an episode of Lost that was on TV the night before... or for a theme... or for a couple new cars in a racing game?!

I have no problem with paying a yearly fee for a good service, but the microtransactions on top of that are ridiculous.

#16 Posted by rexxpro (371 posts) -

you have to pay for xbox live because microsoft arent happy that you pay for the console and then the games and they want more $

Look at playing playstation games online. once you have bought the console and the game you can play online without having to join a subscription live service.

the thing that really pisses me off is what if you only want to play online every now and then. you pay for 12month subscription and only use it a few times.

#17 Posted by FreakShow11 (183 posts) -

I think a better question is.....

If I'm paying $50 a year, why do I then have to pay for some stupid picture to use as my avatar, or to download an episode of Lost that was on TV the night before... or for a theme... or for a couple new cars in a racing game?!

I have no problem with paying a yearly fee for a good service, but the microtransactions on top of that are ridiculous.

decepticondevil

I agree its stupid you have to pay for ever little thing. They really nickle and dime the he11 out of the 360 gamers. o well though we still all waste our money on it.

#18 Posted by a55a55inx (4187 posts) -
I don't know why it costs $50 a person per year, but at least u can know where your friends are at no matter what game you are playing, or send messages very easily etc... i'm guessing that were paying to use their memory that keeps track of our friends lists and messages...
#19 Posted by MCNewYork87 (325 posts) -
Greed. And because people are willing to pay for the service. I have the "other" system and have to say lag is alot less frequent on it. Halo is a lagfest and so is gears of war. The fact that I have to pay $54 a year for this service and its not top quality plus i have to overpay for every stupid little thing they put up on XBL including themes and gamer-pics or Tv episodes is just insane. I can understand paying for movies. But a map pack (like halo's which should have been in the game in the first place) or horse armor or all this other crap just to make us pay more than the overpriced $60 we already dropped on a game? That is just absurd. Don't get me wrong I love alot of the features the service has but seriously the ads alone in xbox live could pay for the type of service we get from Microsoft. Plus now some of my achievements just up and disappeared. At least my 360 hasnt crapped out on me yet. But then again I've only had it since late august. My roommate from college is on his 4th but he got a launch console originally.
#20 Posted by a55a55inx (4187 posts) -
[QUOTE="decepticondevil"]

I think a better question is.....

If I'm paying $50 a year, why do I then have to pay for some stupid picture to use as my avatar, or to download an episode of Lost that was on TV the night before... or for a theme... or for a couple new cars in a racing game?!

I have no problem with paying a yearly fee for a good service, but the microtransactions on top of that are ridiculous.

FreakShow11

I agree its stupid you have to pay for ever little thing. They really nickle and dime the he11 out of the 360 gamers. o well though we still all waste our money on it.

I wish all of those themes and gamerpics were free once you purchase the game, or earn enough gamerpoints...

#21 Posted by MCNewYork87 (325 posts) -
[QUOTE="FreakShow11"][QUOTE="decepticondevil"]

I think a better question is.....

If I'm paying $50 a year, why do I then have to pay for some stupid picture to use as my avatar, or to download an episode of Lost that was on TV the night before... or for a theme... or for a couple new cars in a racing game?!

I have no problem with paying a yearly fee for a good service, but the microtransactions on top of that are ridiculous.

a55a55inx

I agree its stupid you have to pay for ever little thing. They really nickle and dime the he11 out of the 360 gamers. o well though we still all waste our money on it.

I wish all of those themes and gamerpics were free once you purchase the game, or earn enough gamerpoints...

or better yet they were all free because they are just gamerpics and themes. lol. O and i think people keep a roll of paper next to their toilet because they don't like to have feces all over themselves.

#22 Posted by decepticondevil (3607 posts) -
[QUOTE="decepticondevil"]

I think a better question is.....

If I'm paying $50 a year, why do I then have to pay for some stupid picture to use as my avatar, or to download an episode of Lost that was on TV the night before... or for a theme... or for a couple new cars in a racing game?!

I have no problem with paying a yearly fee for a good service, but the microtransactions on top of that are ridiculous.

FreakShow11

I agree its stupid you have to pay for ever little thing. They really nickle and dime the he11 out of the 360 gamers. o well though we still all waste our money on it.

I don't plan on buying one thing off of XBL that's not a full game. Haven't yet, and I'm not going to.

#23 Posted by valttu (1420 posts) -
and because bill gates didn't get rich by giving things away for free R7_3


EXCACTLY!
#24 Posted by capthavic (6478 posts) -
Because you get better service, content earlier, etc.
#25 Posted by Ghost_702 (7405 posts) -
Dude, it's like less than 5 dollars a month. Stop complaining people.
#26 Posted by Lance_Kalzas (2135 posts) -
I agree, it comes out to about $4.16 per month(in the US at least), so I don't complain about it for what I do get out of it. I would never buy any themes or pics though.
#27 Posted by vbnmm (14 posts) -

im just asking this b/c im really curious why u ppl have to pay to play (online).

I dont really know much about the 360, but what is more bettter in live than the playstation network ? (hope u guys get what im saying!)

Ghost_Killa14
Its kinda like the famous question " How many licks does it take to the center of a tootsie pop" The world may never know.
#28 Posted by Deominator (852 posts) -

im just asking this b/c im really curious why u ppl have to pay to play (online).

I dont really know much about the 360, but what is more bettter in live than the playstation network ? (hope u guys get what im saying!)

Ghost_Killa14

We pay for reliable service, tons of available content (some is free, most is not:() and a network that is exactly the same no matter what game you are playing (frindly user interface).

#29 Posted by Mr_Badman (81 posts) -
For the same reason that you have to pay for a gallon of milk at the grocery. They are providing a service. We want that service and they give that service to us for a price. Of course people want LIVE for free. I wish they gave gas away for free at gas stations, but that's not how capitalism works. The system of "free" goods is called communism and that system doesn't work. Ever.
#30 Posted by VoodooHak (15989 posts) -

This is what I'm paying for:

  • An infrastructure that allows the community to self-govern with:
    • Gamer zone
    • Rep
    • Prefer/avoid
    • Feedback. Feeback is monitored by an international team. This same team polices game sessions.
  • 2 levels of matchmaking:
    • Preference-based with the features listed above
    • Skill-based using the proprietary TrueSkill system
  • Functional cross-game invite system that brings you straight into a friend's session
  • Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
  • Compared to the competition, MS seems to be the best connected to its community
    • There's MS personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community like Major Nelson and Trixie
    • They have MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs. See the gamercards in our sigs? MS didn't make those. But they do have their programmers help community sites.
    • Community Calendar with Ladies Night, Prime Time and Family Game Night, Play with Devs, Game With Fame
#31 Posted by Christoffer112 (96 posts) -
M$ Suck, And yes i have payed for it it's not even worth it..
#32 Posted by blowtrees (321 posts) -

I'm under the impression that the silver membership is free. You only pay for the gold service. (which you get free for a month).

So far as I can tell you can play your games online with the silver service. Don't ever pay extra to play something you've already bought, it just enables more companies to pull crap like this with every title or service that comes along. It's your willingness to bend over and take it that keeps these kind of business practices afloat.

My Xbox is not my cell phone. It is not my cable internet provider. It is not a credit card. I will not pay every month to use it's 'service'.

Whomever made the point about the ADs is spot on as well. They make enough off of advertising to support whatever 'service' we pay for, or that microsoft claims to provide.

#33 Posted by forgetwatyahear (6260 posts) -

This is what I'm paying for:

  • An infrastructure that allows the community to self-govern with:
    • Gamer zone
    • Rep
    • Prefer/avoid
    • Feedback. Feeback is monitored by an international team. This same team polices game sessions.
  • 2 levels of matchmaking:
    • Preference-based with the features listed above
    • Skill-based using the proprietary TrueSkill system
  • Functional cross-game invite system that brings you straight into a friend's session
  • Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles
  • Compared to the competition, MS seems to be the best connected to its community
    • There's MS personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community like Major Nelson and Trixie
    • They have MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs. See the gamercards in our sigs? MS didn't make those. But they do have their programmers help community sites.
    • Community Calendar with Ladies Night, Prime Time and Family Game Night, Play with Devs, Game With Fame
VoodooHak
you win
#34 Posted by Deominator (852 posts) -

I'm under the impression that the silver membership is free. You only pay for the gold service. (which you get free for a month).

So far as I can tell you can play your games online with the silver service. Don't ever pay extra to play something you've already bought, it just enables more companies to pull crap like this with every title or service that comes along. It's your willingness to bend over and take it that keeps these kind of business practices afloat.

My Xbox is not my cell phone. It is not my cable internet provider. It is not a credit card. I will not pay every month to use it's 'service'.

Whomever made the point about the ADs is spot on as well. They make enough off of advertising to support whatever 'service' we pay for, or that microsoft claims to provide.

blowtrees

You cannot play online with a Silver membership. XBOX Live is only $4.16 a month if you pay for it yearly. If that is too much for you to pay then I'd imagine that you don't own many games in general for any system. Microsoft has not raised the price once in the 5+ years of XBOX Live and I doubt they will anytime this console generation. $4.16 a month is practically free and pays for a much more reliable and stable network than what Nintendo or Sony have to offer. I get so many disconnects on PSN that it drives me insane! And the Wii's network is a joke with the only highlight of it being the Wii Shop Channel.

#35 Posted by djrobst (2404 posts) -
if a games going to run on dedicated servers its nothing to do with microsoft. its the devs who make the games who run any dedicated servers. its purely the descission of the game developers if they running dedicated servers or not. just coz they dedicated dont mean they lag free. just look at ea sports server for fifa dedicated. its the pits , any amounts of disconnection issues on games like fifa08, dedicated servers dont always mean no lag. ive played on pc and plenty of the servers lag out just the same. still i think it would be a good idea for microsoft to open up the servers or the devs to open up the servers for people so companies can host servers for people. like i used to notice on counterstrike that you could search online and pay monthly to have your own dedicated server etc, be good to please some people if you could get ur own xbox 360 server for hosting your own games on a server level rather than a peer to peer basis
#36 Posted by Wezker619 (1427 posts) -
IT HAS BETTER QUALITY. Trust me I went over my friends house to play Call of Duty 4 on the Ps3 its so bad but when you play it on the 360 its all smooth.
#37 Posted by mohfrontline (5678 posts) -
why do you think Microsoft is the biggest software corporation in the world?
#38 Posted by earlmccormick88 (621 posts) -

They charge for every damn thing...even those extra pack for certain games like gears halo etc...that should be free....i hate xbox live but i gotta deal wit it...

#39 Posted by elektrixxx (11804 posts) -

Why you've gotta pay? I dunno, but I'm more than willing to pay it over and over again.

Now that Nintendo has announced Pay To Play for some games MS will never get rid of their LIVE charges.

#40 Posted by wildblade64 (1 posts) -
this is the fact Microsoft is ripping people of the service is terrible and it's not even a service it should be like having a internet browser [free] they really are just ripping people of i have the Wii and Xbox and PS3 i actually paid for Xbox live gold i would rather play call of duty on the Wii than the Xbox. they just use there servers very stupid. if they had one server one measly dedicated server they would not lag or attempt to re join host. still not a service i don't see people working 24 hour on the computer setting up each game for every Xbox player. even when they fix a corrupt they don't need our money.
#41 Posted by Spellingiscool (1450 posts) -
Steam is a superior service and it's free. I've finally realized that I shouldn't have to pay to play online. On top of that, you have to be a gold member to even use the apps. What a joke.
#42 Posted by re65 (141 posts) -
Because it's a free country and no one's forcing you to pay for a service if you don't want to. Deal with it.
#43 Posted by Darksonic666 (3482 posts) -

I pay for it monthly and to this day I still don't really see why you have to pay for it. I mean it's really only to play online and have access to a few other extra things and they really just could have just made for free in my opinion.

The only real reason I can come up with is greed.