GTA IV (GTA 4) Slow frame-rate :( ??

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#1 Eirik230696
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Hi, i have experience very slow frame-rate when im playing single-player on gta 4 for the xbox 360. Im sure the fram rate is about 15-25 fps all the time, and the game sould be 30 fps...and something is wrong. do you know what is causing this slow framerate. i have watched videos on youtube and im seeing much smoother gameplay.

BTW!!: i have got the game from game marketplace from games on demand

please help me? :D

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#2 Stinger78
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Well, since you already have the game installed, I'm wondering if your hard drive is "fragmented" - just like any other PC hard drive - if things get out of order, it will slow down performance. You might be best off, if you have a chance, to either copy the game to a flash drive, or format your hard drive, then get the game again before putting anything else on the drive.

As far as the speed - if I remember correctly - the PC versions of (at least GTA III, VIce City, and San Andreas) were actually locked to 24 fps. Not that GTA IV on 360 or PC are.

Edit: When you see videos on youtube, they may have been edited to have a locked framerate of 30 fps. At least when I would save clips on the PC version, then make a video in 720p - the video would always seem smoother than the actual gameplay.

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#3 SaltyMeatballs
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It's not the HDD. I remember mentioning fragmentation on the Xbox forums and they said it shouldn't be much of a deal like PC which is constantly transferring and moving files (not comparable with the 360's HDD). Unfortunately, the game just has a unstable framerate. I never thought it ran at 30fps, maybe in some cases inside buildings, plain looking areas, and I also thought it ran smoother during the night in the game.
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#4 Eirik230696
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but, the frame.rate is lower than everybody else...trust me i have tried GTA IV on somebody else xbox 360

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#5 SaltyMeatballs
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I don't know, but I never thought it ran very well. How big is your TV compared to where you have tried it before?'s.
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#6 Eirik230696
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my tv is about 24-26 i think i dont quite know...i have tried on my big 32 lcd tv

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#7 Eirik230696
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But the thing is that all other games i have runs fine exept for GTA IV

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#8 Buttons1990
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Well, since you already have the game installed, I'm wondering if your hard drive is "fragmented" - just like any other PC hard drive - if things get out of order, it will slow down performance. You might be best off, if you have a chance, to either copy the game to a flash drive, or format your hard drive, then get the game again before putting anything else on the drive.

As far as the speed - if I remember correctly - the PC versions of (at least GTA III, VIce City, and San Andreas) were actually locked to 24 fps. Not that GTA IV on 360 or PC are.

Edit: When you see videos on youtube, they may have been edited to have a locked framerate of 30 fps. At least when I would save clips on the PC version, then make a video in 720p - the video would always seem smoother than the actual gameplay.

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Fragmenting wouldn't affect gameplay... Only load times and access times... The gameplay is lagging just because that is how the game is... It doesn't run at a constant 30fps...

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#9 Eirik230696
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but, i have tried to play the game on somebody else xbox 360...and it seems to run much smoother !?

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#10 Buttons1990
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but, i have tried to play the game on somebody else xbox 360...and it seems to run much smoother !?

Eirik230696

The only other possibility is that your 360 is defective... So either get it repaired, get a new one, or live with it.

I don't understand what you are expecting people to tell you? Every solution people have suggested you say "But blah blah blah" and refute it... There isn't anything you can do about it... There are no graphics options other than the resolution you run at... There is nothing you can change on the 360 to make it run any different...

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#11 Eirik230696
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ok...but the thing is that my xbox 360 have been to the reapir center but they didnt find anything wrong with my console

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#12 wallymartin
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I've seen a few people recently complain of bad frame rate on a game they downloaded from Games on Demand, so you are not alone. I would say redownload.

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#13 Eirik230696
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i have tried to redownload... but it seems to happen still. BTW: thanks for helping me8)

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Does the 360's resolution setting effect performance? I have GTA IV downloaded from games on demand aswell, and I only have a tiny 20gig HD which really is barely big enough for two full games. I'm deleting games and redownloading them all the time and I haven't noticed any downgrade in performance. I am however still using lame 'ol 480i.

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#15 quijeros
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Honestly, I think the game just runs pretty choppily all the time, and that would be attributed to the game's engine itself, not the hardware. It never got past around 30 fps and looked like it dipped into the teens whenever there was a lot of action on the screen. It never seemed to bother me that much, though.

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try clearing the cache.

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Does the 360's resolution setting effect performance? I have GTA IV downloaded from games on demand aswell, and I only have a tiny 20gig HD which really is barely big enough for two full games. I'm deleting games and redownloading them all the time and I haven't noticed any downgrade in performance. I am however still using lame 'ol 480i.

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Well on the PC it has a significant affect on performance... In games like Crysis for example, 1280x1024 performs leaps and bounds better than say 1920x1080... The GTA4 PC port even illustrates this for you in the options menu by telling you how many resources your PC has to use and how many the game is using... With all options on high (particularly textures), upping the resolutions from 1280x1024 to 1920x1080 nearly DOUBLES the amount of VRAM used...

So on the 360, 480i/p will run better than 720p/1080i/1080p... This is because the 360 only has 512mb of shared VRAM/System RAM... So at any given time, it only has 512mb for all system information, game processes, and video processes...

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Does the 360's resolution setting effect performance? I have GTA IV downloaded from games on demand aswell, and I only have a tiny 20gig HD which really is barely big enough for two full games. I'm deleting games and redownloading them all the time and I haven't noticed any downgrade in performance. I am however still using lame 'ol 480i.

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No, 360 games are rendered at whatever the game runs at. (in this case 720p) Then it's either unscaled or downscaled for the TV, i.e. it's still rendering at 720p in this case, but squashed down to 480i in your case. If you have 1080p TV then the 720p image is stretched. I was on a 480i TV, now I have a 720p TV and the game feels the same. I think they should create separate code for standard TV's, a lot of games would have better performance.
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#19 Buttons1990
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[QUOTE="gawnn"]

Does the 360's resolution setting effect performance? I have GTA IV downloaded from games on demand aswell, and I only have a tiny 20gig HD which really is barely big enough for two full games. I'm deleting games and redownloading them all the time and I haven't noticed any downgrade in performance. I am however still using lame 'ol 480i.

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No, 360 games are rendered at whatever the game runs at. (in this case 720p) Then it's either unscaled or downscaled for the TV, i.e. it's still rendering at 720p in this case, but squashed down to 480i in your case. If you have 1080p TV then the 720p image is stretched. I was on a 480i TV, now I have a 720p TV and the game feels the same. I think they should create separate code for standard TV's, a lot of games would have better performance.

That isn't true... 480i and 720p aren't even the same aspect ratio... To scale down from 720p to 480i would squish the image and make it skinny, plus none of the text, in-game menus, tutorials would be visible...? It has to be rendered, not scaled, otherwise nothing will be legible...

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#20 Eirik230696
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...The thing is that the game is starting to have slow frame-rate when im driving into a big part of the city, when im driving down a lot of people and when im driving fast. It seems like the game is laggy all the times :( !???

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#21 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="gawnn"]

Does the 360's resolution setting effect performance? I have GTA IV downloaded from games on demand aswell, and I only have a tiny 20gig HD which really is barely big enough for two full games. I'm deleting games and redownloading them all the time and I haven't noticed any downgrade in performance. I am however still using lame 'ol 480i.

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No, 360 games are rendered at whatever the game runs at. (in this case 720p) Then it's either unscaled or downscaled for the TV, i.e. it's still rendering at 720p in this case, but squashed down to 480i in your case. If you have 1080p TV then the 720p image is stretched. I was on a 480i TV, now I have a 720p TV and the game feels the same. I think they should create separate code for standard TV's, a lot of games would have better performance.

That isn't true... 480i and 720p aren't even the same aspect ratio... To scale down from 720p to 480i would squish the image and make it skinny, plus none of the text, in-game menus, tutorials would be visible...? It has to be rendered, not scaled, otherwise nothing will be legible...

It's down scaled. And you can get 480p widescreen TV's.

Some games letterbox the widescreen to 4:3 (i.e. giving 360i/p image). Some just cut off the corners and have a new HUD for 4:3. Everything is still being rendered in it's native HD resolution.

I recently upgraded to HD, I still remember :P