Campers (What's with people?)

Camping is fine, but if you stay in one spot the whole game (especially when you've got a wall behind you or something so that no one can shoot your from behind) it can come off as cheating. If they're going to give you a bad rep for it though then they're just bad sports.OhhSnap50893

Dude that is true for too many games. So many people will complain if you snipe, like sniper rifles were put in a game so you can shoot the person 2ft away. No you get those guns so you can be far away from the enemy. People just don't like to die or lose. When you kill them and they can't kill you your either cheating, camping or using a noob gun. Its the way the online community for a ton of games is going. Like if you were really in WW2 you would be saying to the Axis "Dude stop camping at the tower, you noob." No its war and anything goes, which is what the game is based on.SpYdEr124

Exactly. If someone is camping why not take the effort to find them and kill them, works for me. Some of these idiots that complain about other players camping have no business playing these games. They should just go back to playing a plumber stomping turtles. That seems to be more like there style of gameplay.

It's so funny that people complain about this. I remember back in the SNES days how many of my friends would come over and we'd play Street Fighter and they'd use that same move over and over and over if it won them fights. I never got mad when I got beat, I just learned how to block it, stop it, and then proceeded with my owning them in every round. It made me a better gamer. I look at it as " Until you can stop it, I'm going to keep doing it." The problem with the people that complain about "camping" is that they themselves don't want to have to raise their playing ability to counter your tactic. But hey, "campers" at the same time NEED those kind of gamers in the game because without them running around like chickens with their heads cut off, a "camper" wouldn't have anyone to shoot.

I don't really care about campers. Non-moving targets are easier to hit.guthwulf_de

:lol: that is so true.

NEWB!

Just kidding, it is not wrong to camp in CoD 2 at all it is strategy, personally I love campers because I kill them all the time and never get killed. My style in CoD 2 was to get into a high over looking place and shoot people with my M1 then go around the corners killing campers. In CoD 4 though I just go running out going from position to position and flanking with a AR and it is really fun, that is what I do and my opinion is that camping is not cheating, but is a strategy-even if it can get a little anoying- and if people leave bad rep on you then they are probably bad at the game-because they probably run right at you instead of going around you-and are bad sports.

What the hell is wrong with people on Xbox Live lol?

I play COD2 all the time and you always hear people yelling about I hate those campers and this and that.
Are these people Halo fans or something? COD2 is not a run and gun like a crazyman kind of game. I mean you can do that and you can be a upclose kind of shooter or you can be a scout for your team and callout locations or you can be a sniper like I am.

I just hate when I kill a team and at the end they message me yelling at me saying I'm a camper and give me a bad rep!
How is that cheating ? It's called strategy. What should I do, just run outside like a nut to get shot? Ofcourse not. I understand the map and snipe and move from location to location. And someone wants to beat me it's not hard you just don't come looking for me or throw some grenades or corner me in.

I mean why do people complain if they can't win a game and say people are cheating for using their brains?
Some people like to have patience and wait for their kill and not die more times then they kill. I personally don't like getting killed a million times. I look at it like a plus minus which is why I rarely am in the minus with dying too much. And it helps your team out too cause you can kill 20 guys but it means crap if you died 35 times running around in the open and nothing using your head.

I think they should have a thing where the top leaders of each game is not with the most kills but best plus minus cause so many leaders have so many kills but more deaths like in deathmatches which I don't play hardly ever.
kcpp2b

Camping and spawn killing aren't cheating. Some games provide immunities post spawn for a few seconds. Some games move spawns for that reason as well. If it isn't exploiting a glitch, or altering the games code, or using router tricks, it isn't cheating.

I played a lot of CoD2 and there is only one thing wrong with that game (well, maybe more then one thing): When two players see different things.

The sniper can see the battlefield from behind the fence (or wall or w/e) but when the other players look at him, all you see is the tip of his helmet. Basically the only way to kill them is to get a perfect shot off at the top of their head. Easier said then done when playing against an excellent sniper. Some of the crappy players that run around the maps get frustrated, and complain.

How is that cheating ? It's called strategy. What should I do, just run outside like a nut to get shot?
kcpp2b

im with you 100% on this buds

i guess when all is said and done, camping is going to be a part of every FPS, regardless of what people say about it. that's why there are sniper rifles.

that being said, i never camp because i think it's so friggin boring. i want to play a game that is all about action, not sit and wait like i'm playing chess. if that's your thing, so be it. i just don't think it's any fun, especially in CoD4.

i'll be the first person to admit that i'm pretty much straight run and gun, but i talk to my teammates, if they're talking back, and point out enemy locations, etc. my kill count is WAY above my death count, but it's frequent that my deaths are in the top few for the match.

the way i see it, as long as you kill more people than the number of times you've died, you're helping your team.

when my 360 comes back from MS, i'll gladly go toe-to-toe with snipers and win a majority of the time.

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How is that cheating ? It's called strategy. What should I do, just run outside like a nut to get shot?
Qwickkiller

im with you 100% on this buds

i, however, do run outside like a nut to get shot.

not exactly like a nut, but i run and cover, i dont die often and i get lots of kills

Camping is fine, but if you stay in one spot the whole game (especially when you've got a wall behind you or something so that no one can shoot your from behind) it can come off as cheating. If they're going to give you a bad rep for it though then they're just bad sports.OhhSnap50893

camping normally ends badly against skilled players, unless you are good at changing locations. A skilled player will only let a camper kill them once and then will kindly return the favour. APOLLOCJD

bingo! and to the people who do camp, its not cheating so its fine and all but you better be a damn good camper and put the volume all the way up to high because im either gonna A) flank you right or left then come up the stairs and Bash your head in or B) im going to play sniper vs sniper and have a remake of the scene in saving private ryan where the american soldier puts a bullet in the other enemies eye from across the map

I think camping is unfairly picked on because most people think its playing to defensivly, I know for me when i played RTS's like Age of Empires people would get mad when i just a ton of walls and "turtle" myself and never attack and just wait for them to tire out.

I think most people play offensively so when someone thinks and waits and plays defensivly hiding or defending on area with your team people think its cheating. Why I like playing games like the Headquaters on CoD 4 where you are forced to not only be able to defend a location but also attack a defended location to.

theres a difference between tactical camping and being just plain bush league... tactical camping would be picking a corner ie...in rainbow six in the casino vault... posting up behind a a pillar and picking people off.....bush league camping.... LVU Campus in the glitch window...

also certain weapons... for instance... if ur playing halo 3 in the pitt... and u have the energy sword and ALL you do is camp around a corner waiting for someone to pass by.... come on... thats just cheesy... i meanif that sorta stuff is fun to people then hey w/e do it.. but yea i rather play a game like its suppose to be played and not worry about dying and just get kills....whats funny is that most campers end up in the lower echelon of the standings...

Meh, campers suck. Play the game however you like though, if I don't like it, I'll let you know and then we can all move on with our lives.jmartinez1983

Agreed. Campers are like coaches in the N.F.L. who call time out 1 second before the kicker tries to kick a field goal. I mean sure its "legal" and not against the rules, but everyone knows you just shouldn't do it.

Lots of people tend to take camping as a real world tactic. It really is not when compared to infantry or SRT teams. The goal of a team dealing with a threat or a team of threats is to contain. This means that hopefully you will have two or moreteams to engauge, one to pin and one to move and flank. Now if your outmanned and outgunned then "camping" is a viable option until help arrives. When clearing close quarter areas there is no camp tactic the goal is to overwhelm.

As you can see it all changes depending on the scenario. Now as for FPS if your siting in a corner watching a door in a tower like most campers do,then you are not providing any help for your team even if you are scoping from the highground. Now if your team forms a perimeter around that area and they hold it, then you will because you will have much more opportunity to provide high ground support with any weapon.

The campers that do watch that door in the tower I generally do notlike because they provide no help for the team. Yes I don't really have a problem trying to find a way to kill thembut they are really just a nuisance. One comment on Spawn killing is that it is just inconsiderate and unsportmans like. It takes no skill at all to just "execute" players as to spawn. I leave bad feedback for that because its just sorry and requires LITTLE skill.I do not give bad feedback for campers because thats how they play and I don't believe that i should give bad rep for the way they enjoy a game. No matter how muchI get pissed off.

I agree with you and personally when I get the chance to grab a sniper rifle I like to find a few spots to rotate between and pick people off (even though I'm not that great of a sniper). I also like to find out how well my team can play together when we are up against a sniper. I even welcomed the challenge on Gears of War with the one map where the sniper rifle was in the center and you spawned on one of two roads and the sniper would pick people off as they turned the corner to come out. I never really played CoD 2 online but have played plenty of either games with snipers and without them and having to hunt them out, I think MP matches would get kind of boring.

Anyone have a favorite sniper movie? Mine is definitely Enemy at the Gates

I got no problem with camping, i just hate the camping crap in r6v ware they can see you with the 3rd person view crap but you got no idea they are there. It's one of the first rules of combat, if you can see them they can see you simple as that. At least in Gears of War 95% of the time you can see a peace of there shoulder or there shadow some give away they are there so you both are aware, if you just keep a sharp eye out. Plus it's not much of a 1 hit kill game like r6v is.

IMO 1st person view Camping is ok, 3rd person view camping is 100% BS. You might as well have Xray vision to see them with out them being able to see you. Citizen_Zero

100% right.

I was talking to a friendabout that and in my opinion, the player should always see from the caracter eye, and when you put thecaracter in cover you would be able to move the head so that you could watch and hide when someonegot close.

It would also be more realistic and the R6V also pisses mewith that.

What should I do, just run outside like a nut to get shot?kcpp2b

You should run out so I can shoot you! :D

I understand this argument to both perspectives since I choose the best strategy for each match and sometimes that envoles camping. Especially on Search and Destroy. If the match requires me to sit still and kill form afar, then that's what I do. But I do hate it when the entire opposing team camps at every single blind corner. Sometimes it's just fun to spray and pray, you know? :P