Do You Think The Men's Right's Movement Is Silly?

To be fair, they raise legitimate points about alimony and child support, but the entire thing seems like it was created out of spite to troll the feminist movement. this men's rights movement is not something thats really needed, its just a group of bitter, whiney, non politically correct losers that sound an awful lot like the women they're complaining about

they raise legitimate points about alimony and child support

black_chamber99

no actually its basically the same thing as feminism. we males develop differently. when no one likes us we used to sulk and sit around and do nothing about it. when no one likes a girl she goes and finds other girls to bitch and complain about being undesireable with. we are simply countering their c--t like behavior by being c--t's right back.

(to make things clear i am not a member nor a supported of the masculism movement)

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they raise legitimate points about alimony and child support

Aljosa23

It really irks me that guys are expected to pay for meals on dates.

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[QUOTE="black_chamber99"]

they raise legitimate points about alimony and child support

premeketsi

So is this an actual movement or is it just a bunch of guys saying fvck you to feminists?chessmaster1989

basically. whenever i think of someone who is part of the men's right movement (lol) i think of a sad, loser neckbeard who blames the whole female gender because he can't get any

[QUOTE="premeketsi"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]No.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]So is this an actual movement or is it just a bunch of guys saying fvck you to feminists?rocinante_

basically. whenever i think of someone who is part of the men's right movement (lol) i think of a sad, loser neckbeard who blames the whole female gender because he can't get any

Yes.  Speaking as a man I can safely say we don't need a rights movement.  We may need to play a bigger role in the feminist conversation, but in my experience whenever there's a legitimate problem with the feminist movement it always gets caught up in misogynist rhetoric.  The best way to improve feminism is to become a part of it.

Yes.  Speaking as a man I can safely say we don't need a rights movement.  We may need to play a bigger role in the feminist conversation, but in my experience whenever there's a legitimate problem with the feminist movement it always gets caught up in misogynist rhetoric.  The best way to improve feminism is to become a part of it.

theone86

It all usually comes down to ad hominem.

Just try to persuade them that the wage gap is a myth.

If you hurt their acquired victimhood complex, it's over with the conversation.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]So is this an actual movement or is it just a bunch of guys saying fvck you to feminists?premeketsi

basically. whenever i think of someone who is part of the men's right movement (lol) i think of a sad, loser neckbeard who blames the whole female gender because he can't get any

Most of those problems arise because men are expected to adhere to this ridiculous idea of a "real" man.  That idea is spread more by men than it is by women, and in fact a lot of feminists try to fight against outdated ideas of what a "real" man is.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Yes.  Speaking as a man I can safely say we don't need a rights movement.  We may need to play a bigger role in the feminist conversation, but in my experience whenever there's a legitimate problem with the feminist movement it always gets caught up in misogynist rhetoric.  The best way to improve feminism is to become a part of it.

premeketsi

Dude, we run society.  If we were lacking rights we'd give ourselves those rights.

I take MRA's about as seriously as Christians who think they're persecuted in the US.

So is this an actual movement or is it just a bunch of guys saying fvck you to feminists?chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="premeketsi"][QUOTE="rocinante_"]

basically. whenever i think of someone who is part of the men's right movement (lol) i think of a sad, loser neckbeard who blames the whole female gender because he can't get any

theone86

Most of those problems arise because men are expected to adhere to this ridiculous idea of a "real" man.  That idea is spread more by men than it is by women, and in fact a lot of feminists try to fight against outdated ideas of what a "real" man is.

Yes, it's completely silly.

I take MRA's about as seriously as Christians who think they're persecuted in the US.

metroidfood

Only if their sole purpose is to counter b*tches like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM

Yes, it's completely silly.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="premeketsi"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]No.

Aljosa23

Only if their sole purpose is to counter b*tches like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM

dominer

Only if their sole purpose is to counter b*tches like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM

dominer

Only if their sole purpose is to counter b*tches like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM

dominer

Yup, calling her a b*tch totally isn't proving feminism's point.

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Yes, it's completely silly.

premeketsi

Because most of it is whining and self-victimization. It's a refusal to recognize that women have been marginalized for much of the history of this country, and are only now become equal in important respects, in terms of rights, in terms of pay, in terms of job opprtunites, in terms of education. 

You only need look at legislation against women's right to show that men are still trying to control women, in the "keep them barefoot, pregnant and at home" vein.

The articles that's I've seen that represent many of the MRM views are misogynist, plain and simple.

[QUOTE="dominer"]

Only if their sole purpose is to counter b*tches like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM

theone86

Yup, calling her a b*tch totally isn't proving feminism's point.

Well, I think if there intent is to raise awarness for single fathers with kids who need financial support, then I'm ok with that.  There's some awful stigmata that a man cant receive support following a divorce.  There are some fathers, just like mothers, who sacrifice their careers.  If their intent is to just get men off the hook for alimony, then I dont support that as much.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="premeketsi"] Men live less, work at jobs with higher risks, suicide more, almost exclusively die as soldiers, are expected to not express any emotion while at the same get shat on from feminists for being "too masculine". I doubt any movement is going to change this but if feminists are allowed to whine about anything, so should MRAs. Every person has their own problems. If an old school feminist witnessed what modern feminists whine about, they'd probably have the same reaction as you about MRAs (vids related, 2 old school feminist, telling it like it is:. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I6aYl4XDpA&list=FLBbMsIbGmMcKH5xo3ZVGpkw&index=1, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgpbDpXrEr4&list=FLBbMsIbGmMcKH5xo3ZVGpkw&index=2)premeketsi

Most of those problems arise because men are expected to adhere to this ridiculous idea of a "real" man.  That idea is spread more by men than it is by women, and in fact a lot of feminists try to fight against outdated ideas of what a "real" man is.

Because we're living in a society and these issues of what a man is and how it affects other people don't exist in a vacuum.  It's not like men come up with an idea of what a real man is on their own, it's spread by the media and other men.

Well, I think if there intent is to raise awarness for single fathers with kids who need financial support, then I'm ok with that.  There's some awful stigmata that a man cant receive support following a divorce.  There are some fathers, just like mothers, who sacrifice their careers.  If their intent is to just get men off the hook for alimony, then I dont support that as much.

sonicare

I thought all stigmata was awful, but hye, maybe some people are into that sort of thing.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Well, I think if there intent is to raise awarness for single fathers with kids who need financial support, then I'm ok with that.  There's some awful stigmata that a man cant receive support following a divorce.  There are some fathers, just like mothers, who sacrifice their careers.  If their intent is to just get men off the hook for alimony, then I dont support that as much.

theone86

I thought all stigmata was awful, but hye, maybe some people are into that sort of thing.

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[QUOTE="dominer"]

Only if their sole purpose is to counter b*tches like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM

premeketsi

Yup, calling her a b*tch totally isn't proving feminism's point.

I think I have all I need here, I rest my case.

[QUOTE="premeketsi"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

Yes, it's completely silly.

jimkabrhel

Because most of it is whining and self-victimization. It's a refusal to recognize that women have been marginalized for much of the history of this country, and are only now become equal in important respects, in terms of rights, in terms of pay, in terms of job opprtunites, in terms of education. 

You only need look at legislation against women's right to show that men are still trying to control women, in the "keep them barefoot, pregnant and at home" vein.

The articles that's I've seen that represent many of the MRM views are misogynist, plain and simple.

[QUOTE="premeketsi"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Most of those problems arise because men are expected to adhere to this ridiculous idea of a "real" man.  That idea is spread more by men than it is by women, and in fact a lot of feminists try to fight against outdated ideas of what a "real" man is.

theone86

Because we're living in a society and these issues of what a man is and how it affects other people don't exist in a vacuum.  It's not like men come up with an idea of what a real man is on their own, it's spread by the media and other men.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

Well, I think if there intent is to raise awarness for single fathers with kids who need financial support, then I'm ok with that.  There's some awful stigmata that a man cant receive support following a divorce.  There are some fathers, just like mothers, who sacrifice their careers.  If their intent is to just get men off the hook for alimony, then I dont support that as much.

sonicare

I thought all stigmata was awful, but hye, maybe some people are into that sort of thing.

If you're going to make a typo at least you made it interesting.

[QUOTE="dominer"]

Only if their sole purpose is to counter b*tches like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM

premeketsi

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="theone86"]

I thought all stigmata was awful, but hye, maybe some people are into that sort of thing.

theone86

If you're going to make a typo at least you made it interesting.

[QUOTE="premeketsi"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Most of those problems arise because men are expected to adhere to this ridiculous idea of a "real" man.  That idea is spread more by men than it is by women, and in fact a lot of feminists try to fight against outdated ideas of what a "real" man is.

theone86

Because we're living in a society and these issues of what a man is and how it affects other people don't exist in a vacuum.  It's not like men come up with an idea of what a real man is on their own, it's spread by the media and other men.

[QUOTE="premeketsi"][QUOTE="dominer"]

Only if their sole purpose is to counter b*tches like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjImnqH_KwM

surrealnumber5

Yes and no. There are legitimate concerns that men should be concerned about. Men have a much harder time getting a job that requires working with children, for example. And once they do get it, they are watched far more closely than a woman. As a pre-service teacher, this is a concern to me. Parents often prefer that their child's teacher be a female than a male. It's true that a male is statistically more likely to sexually abuse someone than a female, but prejudice behaviour such as this is not justified. Blacks are also statistically more likely to commit a crime, but they should not be denied jobs or treated like a criminal once they get in. And neither should a man simply because he is a man. 

That being said, I don't agree with the Men's Rights Movement. I also don't agree with a Women's Rights Movement. I've been saying for years that men and women need to work together to resolve this. We should create a Gender Equality Movement composed of both men and women. All issues based on sex or gender will be addressed. It's the only way things will be taken seriously. 

That being said, I don't agree with the Men's Rights Movement. I also don't agree with a Women's Rights Movement. I've been saying for years that men and women need to work together to resolve this. We should create a Gender Equality Movement composed of both men and women. All issues based on sex or gender will be addressed. It's the only way things will be taken seriously. 

Tropictrain

This.

[QUOTE="Tropictrain"]

That being said, I don't agree with the Men's Rights Movement. I also don't agree with a Women's Rights Movement. I've been saying for years that men and women need to work together to resolve this. We should create a Gender Equality Movement composed of both men and women. All issues based on sex or gender will be addressed. It's the only way things will be taken seriously. 

jimkabrhel

This.

Yes and no. There are legitimate concerns that men should be concerned about. Men have a much harder time getting a job that requires working with children, for example. And once they do get it, they are watched far more closely than a woman. As a pre-service teacher, this is a concern to me. Parents often prefer that their child's teacher be a female than a male. It's true that a male is statistically more likely to sexually abuse someone than a female, but prejudice behaviour such as this is not justified. Blacks are also statistically more likely to commit a crime, but they should not be denied jobs or treated like a criminal once they get in. And neither should a man simply because he is a man. 

That being said, I don't agree with the Men's Rights Movement. I also don't agree with a Women's Rights Movement. I've been saying for years that men and women need to work together to resolve this. We should create a Gender Equality Movement composed of both men and women. All issues based on sex or gender will be addressed. It's the only way things will be taken seriously. 

Tropictrain

Yes and no. There are legitimate concerns that men should be concerned about. Men have a much harder time getting a job that requires working with children, for example. And once they do get it, they are watched far more closely than a woman. As a pre-service teacher, this is a concern to me. Parents often prefer that their child's teacher be a female than a male. It's true that a male is statistically more likely to sexually abuse someone than a female, but prejudice behaviour such as this is not justified. Blacks are also statistically more likely to commit a crime, but they should not be denied jobs or treated like a criminal once they get in. And neither should a man simply because he is a man. 

That being said, I don't agree with the Men's Rights Movement. I also don't agree with a Women's Rights Movement. I've been saying for years that men and women need to work together to resolve this. We should create a Gender Equality Movement composed of both men and women. All issues based on sex or gender will be addressed. It's the only way things will be taken seriously. 

Tropictrain

Isn't that just a semantic difference?  I don't even think most women's right acitivists identify with a women's rights movement all that much anymore, they identify as feminists.  And really, most of the time when I see men rallying against feminism they're either nitpicking one issue to make the entire movement look bad or they're trying to dismiss feminist issues as "whining."  I think that if more men really bought into feminism there might be a more constructive dialogue.

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[QUOTE="Tropictrain"]

That being said, I don't agree with the Men's Rights Movement. I also don't agree with a Women's Rights Movement. I've been saying for years that men and women need to work together to resolve this. We should create a Gender Equality Movement composed of both men and women. All issues based on sex or gender will be addressed. It's the only way things will be taken seriously. 

deeliman

This.

feminism, at its root, does address issues for both genders--social theory 101

nowadays, the core of feminism has been tainted with extremist views that propagate the misconception that the movement is solely anti-men and pro-women. it's not that simple