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Highly likely final Xbox Specs not final???
- Feb 15, 2013 3:33 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
If the PS4 aims to match the pricepoint of the X720 (so say $400 or less) won't that make it just as "inferior"?
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Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
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Fair point. But everything I've heard so far (and haven't seen every single "leak" posted on the forums), even if just rumor, has suggested more similarity than disparity between the two rivals. Again IF the rumors are true, both having an 8 core CPU, 8 GB RAM, and the GPU's having been made by AMD under similar specs. So what's this "advantage" PS4 has under the hood?
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We will find out about the PS4, but one major difference the PS4 supposed has 4 GB of DDR5 RAM with 512MB devoted the OS while the Xbox will have 8GB of much slower DDR3 RAM with 3 GB devoted to the OS. So the PS4 will have a huge advantage there. I have also seen it rumored that PS4 has extra 4 cores for discrete processing in addition to the 8 core CPU. IF all that is true it isn't even really close.
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:34 pm GMT
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
Yes please make the tne next Xbox $500 or higher....unless M$ is ready to eat some major losses they are stuck with an inferior machine.
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If the PS4 aims to match the pricepoint of the X720 (so say $400 or less) won't that make it just as "inferior"?
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Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
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The latest info on kinct 2.0 suggest it's far better then the current Kinect and can support up to 6 players this would make for some fun 6 player party game nights for sure. Either way it's going to be a huge improvement over the current Kinect and I don't think we are gonig to see the system focused solely around Kinect what I do this though is we may see some hardcore games now actually work and be fairly decet if designed for Kinct now.
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:34 pm GMTNEWMAHAY wrote:Do you actually know what your talking about?me3x12 wrote:
Let me add this as a potential positive for MS and I bet MS knows this. MS owns the Direct X 11 app and they can and will release softare updates for direct X 11 on the 720 and as most PC gamers know direct X 11 is what fuels graphics kings on PC. So MS does have some software apps advantages when it comes to graphics for 720 that might end up being a sleeper advantage.
Let It Die
[QUOTE="NEWMAHAY"][QUOTE="me3x12"]
Let me add this as a potential positive for MS and I bet MS knows this. MS owns the Direct X 11 app and they can and will release softare updates for direct X 11 on the 720 and as most PC gamers know direct X 11 is what fuels graphics kings on PC. So MS does have some software apps advantages when it comes to graphics for 720 that might end up being a sleeper advantage.
[/QUOTE] Do you actually know what your talking about?[/QUOTE]
:lol:
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:37 pm GMT[QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
If the PS4 aims to match the pricepoint of the X720 (so say $400 or less) won't that make it just as "inferior"?
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Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
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The latest info on kinct 2.0 suggest it's far better then the current Kinect and can support up to 6 players this would make for some fun 6 player party game nights for sure. Either way it's going to be a huge improvement over the current Kinect and I don't think we are gonig to see the system focused solely around Kinect what I do this though is we may see some hardcore games now actually work and be fairly decet if designed for Kinct now.
[/QUOTE] How often will you have SIX people playing kinect? Do you have a party every weekend or something.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 15, 2013 3:37 pm GMTStrongBlackVine wrote:AdobeArtist wrote:StrongBlackVine wrote:
Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
Fair point. But everything I've heard so far (and haven't seen every single "leak" posted on the forums), even if just rumor, has suggested more similarity than disparity between the two rivals. Again IF the rumors are true, both having an 8 core CPU, 8 GB RAM, and the GPU's having been made by AMD under similar specs. So what's this "advantage" PS4 has under the hood?
We will find out about the PS4, but one major difference the PS4 supposed has 4 GB of DDR5 RAM with 512MB devoted the OS while the Xbox will have 8GB of much slower DDR3 RAM with 3 GB devoted to the OS. So the PS4 will have a huge advantage there. I have also seen it rumored that PS4 has extra 4 cores for discrete processing in addition to the 8 core CPU. IF all that is true it isn't even really close.
So basically just like with PC's you could say PS4 will be able to do say Ultra graphics on games and 720 can do very high graphics on games and what do we have
Nothing both games looking great with one slightly more detailed but hardly noticable.[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
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Fair point. But everything I've heard so far (and haven't seen every single "leak" posted on the forums), even if just rumor, has suggested more similarity than disparity between the two rivals. Again IF the rumors are true, both having an 8 core CPU, 8 GB RAM, and the GPU's having been made by AMD under similar specs. So what's this "advantage" PS4 has under the hood?
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We will find out about the PS4, but one major difference the PS4 supposed has 4 GB of DDR5 RAM with 512MB devoted the OS while the Xbox will have 8GB of much slower DDR3 RAM with 3 GB devoted to the OS. So the PS4 will have a huge advantage there. I have also seen it rumored that PS4 has extra 4 cores for discrete processing in addition to the 8 core CPU. IF all that is true it isn't even really close.
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So basically just like with PC's you could say PS4 will be able to do say Ultra graphics on games and 720 can do very high graphics on games and what do we have:roll: Nothing both games looking great with one slightly more detailed but hardly noticable.
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:38 pm GMT
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CPU: Intel Core i7-2600, RAM: 16GB DDR3-1600, GPU: AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB VRAM[QUOTE="Chozofication"]
The eDRAM is not enough. It makes sense because it goes generally with the leaps each generation : Gamecube - 3mb's, 360 - 10mb's, Xbox 720 - 32 mb's... Except Wii U also has 32mb's, Wii U has an abundance of eDRAM. 720 needs an abundance as well or it's going to be bottlenecked, 32mb's will not be enough with DDR3. Although, 720 uses eSRAM which is a lot faster than Wii U's eDRAM, so we'll see.
Ps4 is definitely going to be the beast of the generation regardless.
[/QUOTE] For multiple lights, they to shift towards AMD's Forward Plus renderer i.e. shifting the burden from memory to compute.
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:38 pm GMTAnimal-Mother wrote:How often will you have SIX people playing kinect? Do you have a party every weekend or something.me3x12 wrote:StrongBlackVine wrote:
Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
The latest info on kinct 2.0 suggest it's far better then the current Kinect and can support up to 6 players this would make for some fun 6 player party game nights for sure. Either way it's going to be a huge improvement over the current Kinect and I don't think we are gonig to see the system focused solely around Kinect what I do this though is we may see some hardcore games now actually work and be fairly decet if designed for Kinct now.
No but I used to miss those days
[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
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The latest info on kinct 2.0 suggest it's far better then the current Kinect and can support up to 6 players this would make for some fun 6 player party game nights for sure. Either way it's going to be a huge improvement over the current Kinect and I don't think we are gonig to see the system focused solely around Kinect what I do this though is we may see some hardcore games now actually work and be fairly decet if designed for Kinct now.
[/QUOTE] How often will you have SIX people playing kinect? Do you have a party every weekend or something.[/QUOTE]
No but I used to miss those days:lol:
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:38 pm GMTStrongBlackVine wrote:AdobeArtist wrote:StrongBlackVine wrote:
Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
Fair point. But everything I've heard so far (and haven't seen every single "leak" posted on the forums), even if just rumor, has suggested more similarity than disparity between the two rivals. Again IF the rumors are true, both having an 8 core CPU, 8 GB RAM, and the GPU's having been made by AMD under similar specs. So what's this "advantage" PS4 has under the hood?
We will find out about the PS4, but one major difference the PS4 supposed has 4 GB of DDR5 RAM with 512MB devoted the OS while the Xbox will have 8GB of much slower DDR3 RAM with 3 GB devoted to the OS. So the PS4 will have a huge advantage there. I have also seen it rumored that PS4 has extra 4 cores for discrete processing in addition to the 8 core CPU. IF all that is true it isn't even really close.
When you say DDR5, are you talking about system memory or GPU memory? Because even in top spec PCs, the only type of system memory is DDR3, where DDR5 is only found in GPU memory. It looks to me like some kind of mix up in the data
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
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Fair point. But everything I've heard so far (and haven't seen every single "leak" posted on the forums), even if just rumor, has suggested more similarity than disparity between the two rivals. Again IF the rumors are true, both having an 8 core CPU, 8 GB RAM, and the GPU's having been made by AMD under similar specs. So what's this "advantage" PS4 has under the hood?
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We will find out about the PS4, but one major difference the PS4 supposed has 4 GB of DDR5 RAM with 512MB devoted the OS while the Xbox will have 8GB of much slower DDR3 RAM with 3 GB devoted to the OS. So the PS4 will have a huge advantage there. I have also seen it rumored that PS4 has extra 4 cores for discrete processing in addition to the 8 core CPU. IF all that is true it isn't even really close.
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When you say DDR5, are you talking about system memory or GPU memory? Because even in top spec PCs, the only type of system memory is DDR3, where DDR5 is only found in GPU memory. It looks to me like some kind of mix up in the data :question:
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:39 pm GMT
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
Not unless you want an "entertainment center" and not gaming console. The extra money Microsoft wasted making Kinect 2.0 mandatory is money that Sony put into the core hardware. So unless you really value voice controls and movement tracking in your games the PS4 is the much better value at the same price.
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Fair point. But everything I've heard so far (and haven't seen every single "leak" posted on the forums), even if just rumor, has suggested more similarity than disparity between the two rivals. Again IF the rumors are true, both having an 8 core CPU, 8 GB RAM, and the GPU's having been made by AMD under similar specs. So what's this "advantage" PS4 has under the hood?
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We will find out about the PS4, but one major difference the PS4 supposed has 4 GB of DDR5 RAM with 512MB devoted the OS while the Xbox will have 8GB of much slower DDR3 RAM with 3 GB devoted to the OS. So the PS4 will have a huge advantage there. I have also seen it rumored that PS4 has extra 4 cores for discrete processing in addition to the 8 core CPU. IF all that is true it isn't even really close.
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You make it out like it's the PS4 going againts the WiiU LOL it's not going to be nearly that bad both systems are going to be powerful and both will CRUSH the WiiU in power either way.
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:43 pm GMT[QUOTE="clr84651"]
[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]They will be release around the same time, they should be pretty close in power. Neither is going to want to let the other release a console that makes theirs look weak. In that case Microsoft has the advantage. Just like they doubled the ram on the 360 they could easily up the specs on the next Xbox. Difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Microsoft could afford to eat bigger loses than Sony. Sony isn't going to want to get into a @#$% measuring contest with Microsoft.[/QUOTE]
MS wont outdo Sony. They will not want to spend extra and not have it make much of a difference in sales as Sony did with PS3. It's more about each company having their console appeal to the masses while keeping the hardware upgrades at an affordable rate.
[/QUOTE]All Microsoft has to do is match them and that will cancel out the power argument. If Microsoft wants to out do Sony, they will. The hardware from both is outsourced from the same company, it's all going to come down to who is willing and able to throw down more and we all know who that is.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 15, 2013 3:45 pm GMT
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Keep this in mind. They have to pay millions of dollars in research and manufacturing contracts. Adding things last minute doesn't automatically make the system better and costs money AND time. Plus you shouldn't have to change your system/vision because a competitor comes out with something "better" because you should have already factored that possibility into your project and decision making.
EDIT - Thats not to say these rumors are true but its pretty much too late for any drastic change. Even something like going from DDR3 to DDR5 would be a pain. Maybe clock speed changes, better sku's, revising gameplan/marketing etc.
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:49 pm GMTI don't see them doing much to upgrade specs considering there's the cost of the mandatory Kinect involved. They'd have to drop that to make room for improvement.
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:50 pm GMTAdobeArtist wrote:StrongBlackVine wrote:AdobeArtist wrote:
Fair point. But everything I've heard so far (and haven't seen every single "leak" posted on the forums), even if just rumor, has suggested more similarity than disparity between the two rivals. Again IF the rumors are true, both having an 8 core CPU, 8 GB RAM, and the GPU's having been made by AMD under similar specs. So what's this "advantage" PS4 has under the hood?
We will find out about the PS4, but one major difference the PS4 supposed has 4 GB of DDR5 RAM with 512MB devoted the OS while the Xbox will have 8GB of much slower DDR3 RAM with 3 GB devoted to the OS. So the PS4 will have a huge advantage there. I have also seen it rumored that PS4 has extra 4 cores for discrete processing in addition to the 8 core CPU. IF all that is true it isn't even really close.
When you say DDR5, are you talking about system memory or GPU memory? Because even in top spec PCs, the only type of system memory is DDR3, where DDR5 is only found in GPU memory. It looks to me like some kind of mix up in the data
I meant GDDR5 for the PS4 and while the next Xbox has slower DDR3 memory.
Edited on Feb 15, 2013 3:52 pm GMTLet It Die
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
Fair point. But everything I've heard so far (and haven't seen every single "leak" posted on the forums), even if just rumor, has suggested more similarity than disparity between the two rivals. Again IF the rumors are true, both having an 8 core CPU, 8 GB RAM, and the GPU's having been made by AMD under similar specs. So what's this "advantage" PS4 has under the hood?
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We will find out about the PS4, but one major difference the PS4 supposed has 4 GB of DDR5 RAM with 512MB devoted the OS while the Xbox will have 8GB of much slower DDR3 RAM with 3 GB devoted to the OS. So the PS4 will have a huge advantage there. I have also seen it rumored that PS4 has extra 4 cores for discrete processing in addition to the 8 core CPU. IF all that is true it isn't even really close.
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When you say DDR5, are you talking about system memory or GPU memory? Because even in top spec PCs, the only type of system memory is DDR3, where DDR5 is only found in GPU memory. It looks to me like some kind of mix up in the data :question:
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I meant GDDR5 for the PS4 and while the next Xbox has slower DDR3 memory.
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:51 pm GMT
Let It Die
[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="clr84651"]
[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]They will be release around the same time, they should be pretty close in power. Neither is going to want to let the other release a console that makes theirs look weak. In that case Microsoft has the advantage. Just like they doubled the ram on the 360 they could easily up the specs on the next Xbox. Difference between Sony and Microsoft is that Microsoft could afford to eat bigger loses than Sony. Sony isn't going to want to get into a @#$% measuring contest with Microsoft.[/QUOTE]
MS wont outdo Sony. They will not want to spend extra and not have it make much of a difference in sales as Sony did with PS3. It's more about each company having their console appeal to the masses while keeping the hardware upgrades at an affordable rate.
[/QUOTE]All Microsoft has to do is match them and that will cancel out the power argument. If Microsoft wants to out do Sony, they will. The hardware from both is outsourced from the same company, it's all going to come down to who is willing and able to throw down more and we all know who that is.[/QUOTE]
Just because M$ has the money it doesn't mean they will spend it. They have a casual focus now...
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:58 pm GMT[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="clr84651"]
MS wont outdo Sony. They will not want to spend extra and not have it make much of a difference in sales as Sony did with PS3. It's more about each company having their console appeal to the masses while keeping the hardware upgrades at an affordable rate.
[/QUOTE]All Microsoft has to do is match them and that will cancel out the power argument. If Microsoft wants to out do Sony, they will. The hardware from both is outsourced from the same company, it's all going to come down to who is willing and able to throw down more and we all know who that is.[/QUOTE]
Just because M$ has the money it doesn't mean they will spend it. They have a casual focus now...
[/QUOTE] If there is anything that MS has proven is that they are willing to throw down. Like I said, all they have to do is match Sony and unless Sony will be taking massive loses neither will Microsoft.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 15, 2013 4:01 pm GMT
Let It Die
[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]All Microsoft has to do is match them and that will cancel out the power argument. If Microsoft wants to out do Sony, they will. The hardware from both is outsourced from the same company, it's all going to come down to who is willing and able to throw down more and we all know who that is.[/QUOTE]
Just because M$ has the money it doesn't mean they will spend it. They have a casual focus now...
[/QUOTE] If there is anything that MS has proven is that they are willing to throw down. Like I said, all they have to do is match Sony and unless Sony will be taking massive loses neither will Microsoft.[/QUOTE]
If Microsoft matches Sony they WILL be be taking massive losses because Sony didn't waste money on Kinect 2.0 being mandatory.
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- Feb 15, 2013 4:10 pm GMT
why do console gamers care about specs? It will just be dated in a year or two.
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- Feb 15, 2013 4:15 pm GMT----
I am power made flesh. Feel how weak you truly are.[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Can they make some tweak, sure. Changing ram type is unlikely. They would have to have agreements in place by now for the DDR3, and it would likely be both a delay and an heavy expense boost to change at this point (assuming they are planning a 2013/early 2014 release). Changing Ram amount, yes, they could do that, but it seems unlikely as they already have more, and more won't really help much. Their issue isn't amount of Ram, it is the speed of access of said Ram. Changing the embedded ram, no. It is embedded so that is go back to the drawing board level change, they aren't going to be doing that at this point (likewise you won't see them change GPU or CPU at this point). Overclock the CPU/GPU, maybe, but that would be risky on the hardware's durability. They likely already have a lot of people wary of buying in due to 360's issues, if they repeat they could seriously hurt sales, especially as they don't have the timing advantage this time. [/QUOTE] Designs for DDR3 (e.g. Radeon HD 7730M) and GDDR5 (e.g. Radeon HD 7750) for GCN already exist in the PC world.[/QUOTE] And your point is? I never claimed they didn't. My issue wasn't with getting the chips to work, it was getting the chips in the first place.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 15, 2013 4:27 pm GMT
Let It Die
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why do console gamers care about specs? It will just be dated in a year or two.
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We may not be nerds like you, but we want a system that will be significant jump from the previous generation. 1080p, 60fps is the what we want. Doesn't matter if it is cutting edge. Tech is always changing, but you have buy at some with any electronic device.
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- Feb 15, 2013 4:31 pm GMT
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
If Microsoft matches Sony they WILL be be taking massive losses because Sony didn't waste money on Kinect 2.0 being mandatory.
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Rumours? Dude, no.
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