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Highly likely final Xbox Specs not final???
- Feb 15, 2013 2:41 pm GMT
Let It Die
[QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="me3x12"]
I think Sony is going to give us details on the Specs of PS4 next week so looks like MS may have the upper hand on this aspect now.
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Just because you give out details doesn't mean you can't tweak them. Also you leave out the possibility that PS4's current specs are so superior that the next Xbox can't compete without wholesale changes. Kinect 2.0 is an anchor...
I don't think Sony would go first so boldly unless they KNOW they have an advantage.
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Sony is going first becuase they want word of mouth buzz it's smart by them just like when MS did it back in 2005 with that MTV special that caused a huge buzz and got everyones attention.
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Annnouncing first means nothing when both systems will be released around the same time. If Microsoft comes out and announced a superior console around the same price point it would be a disaster. That is why I think Microsoft has been caught napping.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:41 pm GMT----
I am power made flesh. Feel how weak you truly are.Can they make some tweak, sure. Changing ram type is unlikely. They would have to have agreements in place by now for the DDR3, and it would likely be both a delay and an heavy expense boost to change at this point (assuming they are planning a 2013/early 2014 release). Changing Ram amount, yes, they could do that, but it seems unlikely as they already have more, and more won't really help much. Their issue isn't amount of Ram, it is the speed of access of said Ram. Changing the embedded ram, no. It is embedded so that is go back to the drawing board level change, they aren't going to be doing that at this point (likewise you won't see them change GPU or CPU at this point). Overclock the CPU/GPU, maybe, but that would be risky on the hardware's durability. They likely already have a lot of people wary of buying in due to 360's issues, if they repeat they could seriously hurt sales, especially as they don't have the timing advantage this time.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 15, 2013 2:45 pm GMT
The eDRAM is not enough. It makes sense because it goes generally with the leaps each generation : Gamecube - 3mb's, 360 - 10mb's, Xbox 720 - 32 mb's... Except Wii U also has 32mb's, Wii U has an abundance of eDRAM. 720 needs an abundance as well or it's going to be bottlenecked, 32mb's will not be enough with DDR3. Although, 720 uses eSRAM which is a lot faster than Wii U's eDRAM, so we'll see.
Ps4 is definitely going to be the beast of the generation regardless.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:47 pm GMT
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Can they make some tweak, sure. Changing ram type is unlikely. They would have to have agreements in place by now for the DDR3, and it would likely be both a delay and an heavy expense boost to change at this point (assuming they are planning a 2013/early 2014 release). Changing Ram amount, yes, they could do that, but it seems unlikely as they already have more, and more won't really help much. Their issue isn't amount of Ram, it is the speed of access of said Ram. Changing the embedded ram, no. It is embedded so that is go back to the drawing board level change, they aren't going to be doing that at this point (likewise you won't see them change GPU or CPU at this point). Overclock the CPU/GPU, maybe, but that would be risky on the hardware's durability. They likely already have a lot of people wary of buying in due to 360's issues, if they repeat they could seriously hurt sales, especially as they don't have the timing advantage this time. [/QUOTE]
An agreement aint going to slow anything down. I used to be a buyer for a government reseller for IT stuff I used to put together large order for sticks of ram all the time so many vendors and stuff that people don't even know about that would be so easy for MS. So I totally disagree with you on that they could do that easy.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:48 pm GMT
They're basically going to be identical in power anyway so who cares? It's not like one's going to have some massive technical advantage over the other. The biggest difference will be how the motion controls are implemented, the controller design and a couple of exclusive titles.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:50 pm GMT
Let It Die
[QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Can they make some tweak, sure. Changing ram type is unlikely. They would have to have agreements in place by now for the DDR3, and it would likely be both a delay and an heavy expense boost to change at this point (assuming they are planning a 2013/early 2014 release). Changing Ram amount, yes, they could do that, but it seems unlikely as they already have more, and more won't really help much. Their issue isn't amount of Ram, it is the speed of access of said Ram. Changing the embedded ram, no. It is embedded so that is go back to the drawing board level change, they aren't going to be doing that at this point (likewise you won't see them change GPU or CPU at this point). Overclock the CPU/GPU, maybe, but that would be risky on the hardware's durability. They likely already have a lot of people wary of buying in due to 360's issues, if they repeat they could seriously hurt sales, especially as they don't have the timing advantage this time. [/QUOTE]
An agreement aint going to slow anything down. I used to be a buyer for a government reseller for IT stuff I used to put together large order for sticks of ram all the time so many vendors and stuff that people don't even know about that would be so easy for MS. So I totally disagree with you on that they could do that easy.
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Your denial is amusing. Just take your "entertainment center" and like it.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:51 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="andmcq"]
They're basically going to be identical in power anyway so who cares? It's not like one's going to have some massive technical advantage over the other. The biggest difference will be how the motion controls are implemented, the controller design and a couple of exclusive titles.
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If the rumors are true they are not identical. PS4 has some serious advantages that should make every game look and run better, exclusive or not.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:51 pm GMT
[QUOTE="andmcq"]
They're basically going to be identical in power anyway so who cares? It's not like one's going to have some massive technical advantage over the other. The biggest difference will be how the motion controls are implemented, the controller design and a couple of exclusive titles.
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This exactly just like this gen PS3 was more powerful but for the most part you never noticed and honestly I still say the best looking game this gen so far was Crysis 2 on 360 version over PS3. So MS will still have the online and Live and media advantage with 720. Not like Sony is going to magically beat MS in Media and online stuff they just can't MS is not loosing that to Sony Sony just don't have the muscle to beat a huge corp like MS that specialize in PC and online media and apps.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:52 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="clr84651"]PS3s are final I'm sure. MS could change theirs I'm sure. [/QUOTE]
Caught you before you deleted! Why are you so sure?
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:53 pm GMT
Let It Die
[QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="andmcq"]
They're basically going to be identical in power anyway so who cares? It's not like one's going to have some massive technical advantage over the other. The biggest difference will be how the motion controls are implemented, the controller design and a couple of exclusive titles.
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This exactly just like this gen PS3 was more powerful but for the most part you never noticed and honestly I still say the best looking game this gen so far was Crysis 2 on 360 version over PS3. So MS will still have the online and Live and media advantage with 720. Not like Sony is going to magically beat MS in Media and online stuff they just can't MS is not loosing that to Sony Sony just don't have the muscle to beat a huge corp like MS that specialize in PC and online media and apps.
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OK so you are another moron like JimmyPSN. Nothing more to see here folks....
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:53 pm GMT
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="andmcq"]
They're basically going to be identical in power anyway so who cares? It's not like one's going to have some massive technical advantage over the other. The biggest difference will be how the motion controls are implemented, the controller design and a couple of exclusive titles.
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If the rumors are true they are not identical. PS4 has some serious advantages that should make every game look and run better, exclusive or not.
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Explain how it will blow every game away with these huge advantages? Again the PS3 had these advantages supposedly but we hardly saw it.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:55 pm GMT----
I am power made flesh. Feel how weak you truly are.[QUOTE="me3x12"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Can they make some tweak, sure. Changing ram type is unlikely. They would have to have agreements in place by now for the DDR3, and it would likely be both a delay and an heavy expense boost to change at this point (assuming they are planning a 2013/early 2014 release). Changing Ram amount, yes, they could do that, but it seems unlikely as they already have more, and more won't really help much. Their issue isn't amount of Ram, it is the speed of access of said Ram. Changing the embedded ram, no. It is embedded so that is go back to the drawing board level change, they aren't going to be doing that at this point (likewise you won't see them change GPU or CPU at this point). Overclock the CPU/GPU, maybe, but that would be risky on the hardware's durability. They likely already have a lot of people wary of buying in due to 360's issues, if they repeat they could seriously hurt sales, especially as they don't have the timing advantage this time. [/QUOTE]
An agreement aint going to slow anything down. I used to be a buyer for a government reseller for IT stuff I used to put together large order for sticks of ram all the time so many vendors and stuff that people don't even know about that would be so easy for MS. So I totally disagree with you on that they could do that easy.
[/QUOTE] Unless you are dealing in millions of units, you are NOT experienced in this. That kind of output requires exclusive contracts and plenty of heads up time. GDDR5 (which is what they would have to switch to) as well isn't any where near as cheap, nor is it as abundant as DDR3 is at this point. So, to switch, MS would have to: 1. get out of any current contract. 2. Negotiate a new contract, possibly with a different supplier. 3. probably eat any costs they already incurred on DDR3 production, plus any contract penalties. 4. Wait for the GDDR5 to be produced. That all takes significant time and money. Is it impossible, no, but unlikely, DEFINITELY.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Feb 15, 2013 2:55 pm GMT
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="clr84651"]PS3s are final I'm sure. MS could change theirs I'm sure. [/QUOTE]
Caught you before you deleted! Why are you so sure?
[/QUOTE] Meant PS4 forgive me this time next year I'll have PS4 in my head still hard to not default to PS3 lol
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:56 pm GMT
Let It Die
[QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="andmcq"]
They're basically going to be identical in power anyway so who cares? It's not like one's going to have some massive technical advantage over the other. The biggest difference will be how the motion controls are implemented, the controller design and a couple of exclusive titles.
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If the rumors are true they are not identical. PS4 has some serious advantages that should make every game look and run better, exclusive or not.
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Explain how it will blow every game away with these huge advantages? Again the PS3 had these advantages supposedly but we hardly saw it.
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Because the PS3 was extremely difficult to program for so only first party studios got most of it. The PS4 is said be more developer friendly as well more powerful. You seem very ignorant about a topic you started.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:57 pm GMT
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]Can they make some tweak, sure. Changing ram type is unlikely. They would have to have agreements in place by now for the DDR3, and it would likely be both a delay and an heavy expense boost to change at this point (assuming they are planning a 2013/early 2014 release). Changing Ram amount, yes, they could do that, but it seems unlikely as they already have more, and more won't really help much. Their issue isn't amount of Ram, it is the speed of access of said Ram. Changing the embedded ram, no. It is embedded so that is go back to the drawing board level change, they aren't going to be doing that at this point (likewise you won't see them change GPU or CPU at this point). Overclock the CPU/GPU, maybe, but that would be risky on the hardware's durability. They likely already have a lot of people wary of buying in due to 360's issues, if they repeat they could seriously hurt sales, especially as they don't have the timing advantage this time. [/QUOTE]
An agreement aint going to slow anything down. I used to be a buyer for a government reseller for IT stuff I used to put together large order for sticks of ram all the time so many vendors and stuff that people don't even know about that would be so easy for MS. So I totally disagree with you on that they could do that easy.
[/QUOTE] Unless you are dealing in millions of units, you are NOT experienced in this. That kind of output requires exclusive contracts and plenty of heads up time. GDDR5 (which is what they would have to switch to) as well isn't any where near as cheap, nor is it as abundant as DDR3 is at this point. So, to switch, MS would have to: 1. get out of any current contract. 2. Negotiate a new contract, possibly with a different supplier. 3. probably eat any costs they already incurred on DDR3 production, plus any contract penalties. 4. Wait for the GDDR5 to be produced. That all takes significant time and money. Is it impossible, no, but unlikely, DEFINITELY.[/QUOTE]
Again nothing but some good negotiaition can't do. Trust me there are vendors out there begging for business it can be done faily easy you just don't know.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:58 pm GMT
Let It Die
[QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="clr84651"]PS3s are final I'm sure. MS could change theirs I'm sure. [/QUOTE]
Caught you before you deleted! Why are you so sure?
[/QUOTE] Meant PS4 forgive me this time next year I'll have PS4 in my head still hard to not default to PS3 lol
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Confirmed this guy has an alt account named clr84651. Kinda lame you you need multiple account to talk on a forum.
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- Feb 15, 2013 2:59 pm GMT
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
If the rumors are true they are not identical. PS4 has some serious advantages that should make every game look and run better, exclusive or not.
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Explain how it will blow every game away with these huge advantages? Again the PS3 had these advantages supposedly but we hardly saw it.
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Because the PS3 was extremely difficult to program for so only first party studios got most of it. The PS4 is said be more developer friendly as well more powerful. You seem very ignorant about a topic you started.
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With the cost of developement sky rocketing even more next gen there is really no incentive for developers to devote extra money and time just to tweak a few more shadows or poly's especially for big budget multiplat games. Sure we may see some Sony exclusives looks really great but that's not saying 720 won't have some fine looking exclusives also.
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:00 pm GMT
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
Caught you before you deleted! Why are you so sure?
[/QUOTE] Meant PS4 forgive me this time next year I'll have PS4 in my head still hard to not default to PS3 lol
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Confirmed this guy has an alt account named clr84651. Kinda lame you you need multiple account to talk on a forum.
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I have no clue who that is and i love how people say they think people have alt accounts lol
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- Feb 15, 2013 3:02 pm GMTme3x12 wrote:StrongBlackVine wrote:me3x12 wrote:Meant PS4 forgive me this time next year I'll have PS4 in my head still hard to not default to PS3 lol
Confirmed this guy has an alt account named clr84651. Kinda lame you you need multiple account to talk on a forum.
I have no clue who that is and i love how people say they think people have alt accounts lol
Why did you respond to me when I quoted that person as if it was addressed directly to you then?
Let It Die
[QUOTE="me3x12"]
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]
[QUOTE="me3x12"] Meant PS4 forgive me this time next year I'll have PS4 in my head still hard to not default to PS3 lol
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Confirmed this guy has an alt account named clr84651. Kinda lame you you need multiple account to talk on a forum.
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I have no clue who that is and i love how people say they think people have alt accounts lol
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Why did you respond to me when I quoted that person as if it was addressed directly to you then? :lol:
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