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Fed. Judge dismisses Ex-Congressman's lawsuit against pro-life group
- Jan 29, 2013 10:50 am GMT
Education is the most interesting and difficult adventure in life. Educating - from the Latin educere - means leading young people to move beyond themselves and introducing them to reality, towards a fullness that leads to growth. This process is fostered by the encounter of two freedoms, that of adults and that of the young. It calls for responsibility on the part of the learners, who must be open to being led to the knowledge of reality, and on the part of educators, who must be ready to give of themselves. For this reason, today more than ever we need authentic witnesses, and not simply people who parcel out rules and facts; we need witnesses capable of seeing farther than others because their life is so much broader. A witness is someone who first lives the life that he proposes to others.
- Benedict XVI, Message for the World Day of Peace 2012
A Federal Judge recently threw out a lawsuit by a former Democratic member of Congress against the pro-life group the Susan B. Antony List (SBA list). The Congressman sued the SBA list after losing his re-election bid in the 2010 Congressional elections. The Plaintiff who had campaigned as a pro-life Democrat, was one of 20 pro-life Democrats who were targeted for defeat in the 2010 elections by the SBA List (of those 20 Democrats, 15 were defeated) based on their decision to vote for Obamacare, pro-life groups including the SBA list opposed Obamacare because of concerns over abortion funding and conscience rights. In the 2010 elections SBA list ran ads against the Congressman criticizing his vote in favor of Obamacare as being a vote in favor of funding abortion with tax dollars. The Plaintiff sued SBA list for defamation and "loss of livelihood", arguing that he did not vote for tax-payer funding of abortion.
The Judge has now dismissed the lawsuit, ruling that:
"The concomitant principles of free speech and truth collide most violently in the arena of political speech. During the recently passed national elections, citizens were bombarded with political advertisements that the targets of which daily denounced as lies. Who then shall be the arbiter of political truth? Ultimately, in a free society, the truth of political back and forth must be adjudicated in the marketplace of ideas,".
Essentially in the court's decision, allowing defeated politicians to sue groups for politically related ads would be put too much of a burthen on free speech and that is the role of the voters, not the courts, to decide which criticisms of political candidates are true, false or debatable.
What do you think of the ruling?
I would say it was the right decision, afterall if courts were to be hearing lawsuits over things alleged by political ads they would probably have their dockets pretty darn full.
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- Jan 29, 2013 11:02 am GMTkingkong0124 wrote:
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Tfw they realize Obamacare restricts abortion funding Dumbasses- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 29, 2013 11:15 am GMThahaha she sued for being a bad campaigner that's lovely
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- Jan 29, 2013 11:22 am GMT
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sounds like the correct decision.. but on the flip side allows for complete lies attributed as facts in political advertisements calling it free speech.... doesn't that clash with anti-defamation laws though? or is it supposed to be understood to voters that political ads are all bull--t?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 29, 2013 11:26 am GMT
Meh, I think it's the right decision.
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- Jan 29, 2013 11:33 am GMT
- DEFENDING THE WORLD AGAINST YOUR WRONG OPINIONSI agree with the judge. Through out much of our history Judges have been a better job of fighting for our freedom and common sense then our politicians. Now they aren't perfect but hey should be commended overall- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 29, 2013 12:38 pm GMT
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There are too many lawsuits happening.
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- Jan 29, 2013 1:10 pm GMT
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Tfw they realize Obamacare restricts abortion funding Dumbasses [/QUOTE]- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 29, 2013 3:15 pm GMT
Education is the most interesting and difficult adventure in life. Educating - from the Latin educere - means leading young people to move beyond themselves and introducing them to reality, towards a fullness that leads to growth. This process is fostered by the encounter of two freedoms, that of adults and that of the young. It calls for responsibility on the part of the learners, who must be open to being led to the knowledge of reality, and on the part of educators, who must be ready to give of themselves. For this reason, today more than ever we need authentic witnesses, and not simply people who parcel out rules and facts; we need witnesses capable of seeing farther than others because their life is so much broader. A witness is someone who first lives the life that he proposes to others.
- Benedict XVI, Message for the World Day of Peace 2012
[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]sounds like the correct decision.. but on the flip side allows for complete lies attributed as facts in political advertisements calling it free speech.... doesn't that clash with anti-defamation laws though? or is it supposed to be understood to voters that political ads are all bull--t?[/QUOTE] I don't know, do anti-defamation laws protect politicians or only private citizens?
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- Jan 29, 2013 3:20 pm GMT[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]sounds like the correct decision.. but on the flip side allows for complete lies attributed as facts in political advertisements calling it free speech.... doesn't that clash with anti-defamation laws though? or is it supposed to be understood to voters that political ads are all bull--t?[/QUOTE] Not just the ads, but all politicians in general are assumed to be full of shlt.
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- Jan 29, 2013 3:21 pm GMT
Education is the most interesting and difficult adventure in life. Educating - from the Latin educere - means leading young people to move beyond themselves and introducing them to reality, towards a fullness that leads to growth. This process is fostered by the encounter of two freedoms, that of adults and that of the young. It calls for responsibility on the part of the learners, who must be open to being led to the knowledge of reality, and on the part of educators, who must be ready to give of themselves. For this reason, today more than ever we need authentic witnesses, and not simply people who parcel out rules and facts; we need witnesses capable of seeing farther than others because their life is so much broader. A witness is someone who first lives the life that he proposes to others.
- Benedict XVI, Message for the World Day of Peace 2012
[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Tfw they realize Obamacare restricts abortion funding Dumbasses [/QUOTE] Actually there is no statutory language in the bill restricting abortion funding, the House version had the Stupak Amendment but the Senate version did not include it, that is why it took so long for Stupak and other Democrats in the House to vote for the bill.
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- Jan 29, 2013 3:21 pm GMT
Education is the most interesting and difficult adventure in life. Educating - from the Latin educere - means leading young people to move beyond themselves and introducing them to reality, towards a fullness that leads to growth. This process is fostered by the encounter of two freedoms, that of adults and that of the young. It calls for responsibility on the part of the learners, who must be open to being led to the knowledge of reality, and on the part of educators, who must be ready to give of themselves. For this reason, today more than ever we need authentic witnesses, and not simply people who parcel out rules and facts; we need witnesses capable of seeing farther than others because their life is so much broader. A witness is someone who first lives the life that he proposes to others.
- Benedict XVI, Message for the World Day of Peace 2012
[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]sounds like the correct decision.. but on the flip side allows for complete lies attributed as facts in political advertisements calling it free speech.... doesn't that clash with anti-defamation laws though? or is it supposed to be understood to voters that political ads are all bull--t?[/QUOTE] Not just the ads, but all politicians in general are assumed to be full of shlt. [/QUOTE] You ever hear that expression "faker than a politician's smile"?
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- Jan 29, 2013 3:32 pm GMT[QUOTE="whipassmt"]
[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]sounds like the correct decision.. but on the flip side allows for complete lies attributed as facts in political advertisements calling it free speech.... doesn't that clash with anti-defamation laws though? or is it supposed to be understood to voters that political ads are all bull--t?[/QUOTE] Not just the ads, but all politicians in general are assumed to be full of shlt. [/QUOTE] You ever hear that expression "faker than a politician's smile"?
[/QUOTE] You can't get far in politics with out compromising your integrity, that's for sure.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 29, 2013 4:31 pm GMT
Education is the most interesting and difficult adventure in life. Educating - from the Latin educere - means leading young people to move beyond themselves and introducing them to reality, towards a fullness that leads to growth. This process is fostered by the encounter of two freedoms, that of adults and that of the young. It calls for responsibility on the part of the learners, who must be open to being led to the knowledge of reality, and on the part of educators, who must be ready to give of themselves. For this reason, today more than ever we need authentic witnesses, and not simply people who parcel out rules and facts; we need witnesses capable of seeing farther than others because their life is so much broader. A witness is someone who first lives the life that he proposes to others.
- Benedict XVI, Message for the World Day of Peace 2012
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Not just the ads, but all politicians in general are assumed to be full of shlt. [/QUOTE] You ever hear that expression "faker than a politician's smile"?
[/QUOTE] You can't get far in politics with out compromising your integrity, that's for sure. [/QUOTE] lol. I was watching Pawn Star's yesterday and Chumlee and Olivia bought a silver sculpture that he thought was a Salvador Dali sculpture, but when they took it to an art expert he couldn't verify it. Then Chumlee was testing the sculpture to see if it was real sculpture, but when he turned it over it was hollow, and the Old Man saw it and said that the silver of the sculpture was "faker than a politician's smile".
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- Jan 29, 2013 4:38 pm GMT
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The Atheism Union || last.fm || Try avast! for free!Mmm... ideology as politics.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"]sounds like the correct decision.. but on the flip side allows for complete lies attributed as facts in political advertisements calling it free speech.... doesn't that clash with anti-defamation laws though? or is it supposed to be understood to voters that political ads are all bull--t?[/QUOTE] Not just the ads, but all politicians in general are assumed to be full of shlt. [/QUOTE] You ever hear that expression "faker than a politician's smile"?
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mandated contraception coverage will be the largest contribution to abortion reduction in decades.
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- Jan 29, 2013 5:05 pm GMT
Education is the most interesting and difficult adventure in life. Educating - from the Latin educere - means leading young people to move beyond themselves and introducing them to reality, towards a fullness that leads to growth. This process is fostered by the encounter of two freedoms, that of adults and that of the young. It calls for responsibility on the part of the learners, who must be open to being led to the knowledge of reality, and on the part of educators, who must be ready to give of themselves. For this reason, today more than ever we need authentic witnesses, and not simply people who parcel out rules and facts; we need witnesses capable of seeing farther than others because their life is so much broader. A witness is someone who first lives the life that he proposes to others.
- Benedict XVI, Message for the World Day of Peace 2012
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"] Not just the ads, but all politicians in general are assumed to be full of shlt. [/QUOTE] You ever hear that expression "faker than a politician's smile"?
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mandated contraception coverage will be the largest contribution to abortion reduction in decades.
[/QUOTE] That is theoretical, and the mandate is not part of Obamacare's text. Plus the mandate also covers certain abortion-inducing drugs and devices. Of course we should not derail this thread with a debate over the HHS mandate.
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- Jan 29, 2013 5:25 pm GMT[QUOTE="whipassmt"]
[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]sounds like the correct decision.. but on the flip side allows for complete lies attributed as facts in political advertisements calling it free speech.... doesn't that clash with anti-defamation laws though? or is it supposed to be understood to voters that political ads are all bull--t?[/QUOTE] I don't know, do anti-defamation laws protect politicians or only private citizens?
[/QUOTE] they do, it's just almost impossible to successfully litigate a slander or libel case in america- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 29, 2013 5:31 pm GMT
Education is the most interesting and difficult adventure in life. Educating - from the Latin educere - means leading young people to move beyond themselves and introducing them to reality, towards a fullness that leads to growth. This process is fostered by the encounter of two freedoms, that of adults and that of the young. It calls for responsibility on the part of the learners, who must be open to being led to the knowledge of reality, and on the part of educators, who must be ready to give of themselves. For this reason, today more than ever we need authentic witnesses, and not simply people who parcel out rules and facts; we need witnesses capable of seeing farther than others because their life is so much broader. A witness is someone who first lives the life that he proposes to others.
- Benedict XVI, Message for the World Day of Peace 2012
[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]
[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]sounds like the correct decision.. but on the flip side allows for complete lies attributed as facts in political advertisements calling it free speech.... doesn't that clash with anti-defamation laws though? or is it supposed to be understood to voters that political ads are all bull--t?[/QUOTE] I don't know, do anti-defamation laws protect politicians or only private citizens?
[/QUOTE] they do, it's just almost impossible to successfully litigate a slander or libel case in america[/QUOTE] so that's why Spidey couldn't sue the Daily Bugle.
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