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Biden: no need for "assault weapons", people could just own shotguns
- Jan 24, 2013 7:10 pm GMT
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"They say that dreams are only real as long as they last. Couldn't you say the same thing about life?"
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PSN: JoeBiden420
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]
Yeah for home defense that's all you need. Way easier to shoot a bad guy with that than a semi auto rifle
[/QUOTE] Such blanket statements are rarely true and almost always poorly thought out. Personally, it is much easier for me to get a good shot off in a hurry with an AR than a shotgun.[/QUOTE]
The average person is going to be much more accurate with a shotgun, and it's a far easier weapon to use and handle. I don't give a sh*t about you
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- Jan 24, 2013 7:11 pm GMT[QUOTE="Bane_09"]
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]
True, and all those things would probably change to suit the laws affected.
In the UK we can own guns for all those reasons except for personal defence and collecting (though exceptions are made) and we manage just fine.
[/QUOTE] The US would do fine today with the same restrictive laws. But, the reason that the 2nd Amendment exists is not to allow for hunting or sport in times of peace, it's to allow men a fighting chance to assure their freedom in times of tyranny. [/QUOTE]
man if we want a fighting chance against the US military we will need a hell of a lot more than just guns
I wonder if RPGs or guided missiles fall under the 2nd ammendment
[/QUOTE] Currently, not exactly. Owning such things involves jumping through crazy hoops and negotiating tons of red tape. If you're curious feel free to do some research,- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 24, 2013 7:12 pm GMT
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"They say that dreams are only real as long as they last. Couldn't you say the same thing about life?"
-Waking Life
PSN: JoeBiden420
[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]
[QUOTE="thegerg"] The US would do fine today with the same restrictive laws. But, the reason that the 2nd Amendment exists is not to allow for hunting or sport in times of peace, it's to allow men a fighting chance to assure their freedom in times of tyranny. [/QUOTE]
man if we want a fighting chance against the US military we will need a hell of a lot more than just guns
I wonder if RPGs or guided missiles fall under the 2nd ammendment
[/QUOTE] Well to be honest if it ever comes to that it would be a lot more grey than " citizens vs US Army." You would have to deal with defectors and all that crap. To be honest, I would trust the military to stand up to the government if they ever tried something unconstitutional. They swear to protect the constitution, not the government.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I don't think our military would turn against us like that. It just seems a lot of pro gun arguments like to predict this massive battle between we the people and the army.
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- Jan 24, 2013 7:13 pm GMT[QUOTE="Bane_09"]
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]
Yeah for home defense that's all you need. Way easier to shoot a bad guy with that than a semi auto rifle
[/QUOTE] Such blanket statements are rarely true and almost always poorly thought out. Personally, it is much easier for me to get a good shot off in a hurry with an AR than a shotgun.[/QUOTE]
The average person is going to be much more accurate with a shotgun, and it's a far easier weapon to use and handle. I don't give a sh*t about you
[/QUOTE] If you're making such blanket statements ("Way easier to shoot a bad guy with that than a semi auto rifle") then you probably should care about everyone. Don't put everyone in the same boat, it's ignorant and narrow-minded.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 24, 2013 7:13 pm GMT
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PSN: JoeBiden420
[QUOTE="thegerg"] Currently, not exactly. Owning such things involves jumping through crazy hoops and negotiating tons of red tape. If you're curious feel free to do some research, [/QUOTE]
Thanks. Strange you would think that they would fall under it, since it helps to defend against a tyrannical government
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- Jan 24, 2013 7:14 pm GMT[QUOTE="Bane_09"]
[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]
man if we want a fighting chance against the US military we will need a hell of a lot more than just guns
I wonder if RPGs or guided missiles fall under the 2nd ammendment
[/QUOTE] Well to be honest if it ever comes to that it would be a lot more grey than " citizens vs US Army." You would have to deal with defectors and all that crap. To be honest, I would trust the military to stand up to the government if they ever tried something unconstitutional. They swear to protect the constitution, not the government.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I don't think our military would turn against us like that. It just seems a lot of pro gun arguments like to predict this massive battle between we the people and the army.
[/QUOTE] Hmm, I haven't seen anyone predict such a thing.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 24, 2013 7:15 pm GMT
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"They say that dreams are only real as long as they last. Couldn't you say the same thing about life?"
-Waking Life
PSN: JoeBiden420
[QUOTE="thegerg"] Hmm, I haven't seen anyone predict such a thing. [/QUOTE]
hmm stange indeed
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- Jan 24, 2013 7:16 pm GMT[QUOTE="Bane_09"]
[QUOTE="thegerg"]
Thanks. Strange you would think that they would fall under it, since it helps to defend against a tyrannical government
[/QUOTE] No, they don't. In the US there is not currently such a government, and those things do not defend us from it. [QUOTE="Bane_09"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Hmm, I haven't seen anyone predict such a thing. [/QUOTE]
hmm stange indeed
[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say it's strange, I'd just say that your assertion is dishonest.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 24, 2013 7:23 pm GMT
I think that we can all calm down because fvck all will pass the house W.R.T. gun control.
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- Jan 24, 2013 7:29 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]
[QUOTE="thegerg"]
[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]
Common sense by the sounds of it. There will quite literally never be a situation where a civillian needs an assault weapon of any discription.
[/QUOTE] Maybe not, but that's not to say that they wouldn't come in useful or be the preferred weapon for the given situation. It's just like there will literally never be a situation where a civilian needs a shotgun, or a car, or a ladder, but all of these things are very useful tools that can be used in order to achieve a much more desirable outcome.
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The line does need drawing somewhere and I would say assault weapons are a good start. You can defend yourself with a shotgun, an assault rifle is a sledgehammer to a walnut if tools are the analogy to go by.
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That magical line you're drawing... is based on what data? Or does just sound like a good idea? That doesn't sound like reasonable strategy when forming policy. I'd prefer to have solid facts behind whatever legislation is being proposed.
Do you even know these magical "assault weapons" that they're targeting? Any firearm in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use one is a danger to him/herself and everyone one around them.
Here's what a shotgun can do:
They leave much bigger holes than a 223, 556 or 762x39.
Again... what's the fact-based justification for that magical line being drawn?
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- Jan 24, 2013 7:31 pm GMTI wonder what Biden thinks an assault weapon is.
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- Jan 24, 2013 7:33 pm GMT[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]
Common sense by the sounds of it. There will quite literally never be a situation where a civillian needs an assault weapon of any discription.
[/QUOTE] Wrong! What if the government goes tyrannical!?- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 24, 2013 7:34 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]
[QUOTE="Wasdie"]
[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]
When was the last time one was used to kill 18 school kids?
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I don't know but Lanza killed thoes kids with a handgun as his AR-15 was jammed. So... banning "assault weapons" wouldn't have saved those kids.
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That's true again, and I don't agree with the sale of concealable weapons either but thats never going to change. I just don't see the point in owning assault weapons at this point. Maybe it is just political BS but something needs to be done and I don't see it as a negative.
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It's a negative when millions of tax payer dollars are being spent on tracking and enforcement when decades worth of data has already shown us that gun control does not work.
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- Jan 24, 2013 7:57 pm GMT
PSN: NinjaDC
Oh Biden, I thought the Dems would have cut his tongue already in an effort of preemptive damage control.
Serioously, thses remarks will make Dems in the house jump ship before it had a chance to sail.
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- Jan 24, 2013 8:05 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]
[QUOTE="Wasdie"]
I don't know but Lanza killed thoes kids with a handgun as his AR-15 was jammed. So... banning "assault weapons" wouldn't have saved those kids.
[/QUOTE]
That's true again, and I don't agree with the sale of concealable weapons either but thats never going to change. I just don't see the point in owning assault weapons at this point. Maybe it is just political BS but something needs to be done and I don't see it as a negative.
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It's a negative when millions of tax payer dollars are being spent on tracking and enforcement when decades worth of data has already shown us that gun control does not work.
[/QUOTE] It's also acting when there is no problem. This is about acting on fear and paranoia, not rational thought.- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 24, 2013 8:10 pm GMT
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[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]I would like to know why, seems pretty logical to me.[/QUOTE] There is no logical "need" for a Koenigsegg Agera either.[/QUOTE]
So...you're saying I should return mine...
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- Jan 24, 2013 8:12 pm GMT
Hmm, shotguns are easier to use... and modify....- Please wait. Quick reply will be available shortly.
- Jan 24, 2013 8:12 pm GMTalexside1 wrote:A car can used to kill quite number of people, if it used with killing intent. Should we ban cars now?Leejjohno wrote:Zeviander wrote:There is no logical "need" for a Koenigsegg Agera either.
When was the last time one was used to kill 18 school kids?
A Koenigsegg Agera won't be though, so who gives a sh*t
.Something extremely smart and witty is displayed here in this sig. You just can't see it.
[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"]
[QUOTE="Zeviander"] There is no logical "need" for a Koenigsegg Agera either.[/QUOTE]
When was the last time one was used to kill 18 school kids?
[/QUOTE] A car can used to kill quite number of people, if it used with killing intent. Should we ban cars now?[/QUOTE]
A Koenigsegg Agera won't be though, so who gives a sh*t:P.
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- Jan 24, 2013 8:20 pm GMT
[QUOTE="Lotus-Edge"]Hmm, shotguns are easier to use... and modify.... [/QUOTE]
And they even make thos in semi-auto. I'd love to get my hands on a Saiga 12 or even the Origin 12.
The point is, even if they pass these bans, manufacturers will get around these so called "evil" features by creating something else. That's how technology works.
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- Jan 24, 2013 8:27 pm GMT
A shotgun does have pretty effective stopping power and is quite intimidating. And most likely would not be able to gun down lots of people in a mass shooting. But I think gun control advocates probably dont want Jackass Joe pushing any type of gun.
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