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[QUOTE="kuraimen"] How can you be so sure if you've never been there or asked NKs themselves? I remember lots of iraqis saying they were better before. Hell when I lived in Germany many east germans claimed they were better before the wall fell or if you go to Cuba many will tell you they like it that way, so the thing is not so black and white. Unless you see something like in Egypt where the majority of the population raised against their government I'm not prepared to claim their citizens want you to bomb the hell out of their country. The crap the US committed during its existence has been too much for me to trust your government "goodwill" out of pure speculation. [/QUOTE]

Where do I start:

1. No Internet, period, unless you are lucky or one of the elites. Everyone else has to deal with a state-provided intranet that can't be defeated by a VPN due to the fact that it is airgapped from what you and me are on right now.
2. Talking bad about the Kims is a quick way to find yourself in a reeducation camp.
3. Millions starve because of sanctions that the country has on them due to their stubborness. We were giving them aid but the regime feels that nuclear testing is more important.
4. I lived in South Korea for 13 months and frequently looked at the DMZ. While that in itself isn't much I also had a roommate who was a South Korean Soldier and told me about the BS they went through across the border.

Like I said, we aren't perfect, but we are a hell of a lot better than that dictatorship. In the US we can say F Obama or Bush without any type of negative consequence (unless you are an officer in the military) but you can't say that about your average dictatorship and whoever is in charge.

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Ok that list of 4 things you failed to show evidence of is hardly a compelling argument to invade and bomb a country "for the sake of their people". I could do a 4 item list of any country and tell "herp derp look how bad they are lets bomb them". The US already were caught lying about Irak now they'll have to do better if they want to justify dropping bombs on civilians again.

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I didn't suggest that we invade North Korea. In fact, spending a year in South Korea showed me how damaging a war with the North would be to the South and why it should only be a last resort. I'm just correcting your assumption that life wouldn't be better for the North Koreans if the Kims were taken out of power. It would suck at first but like most other countries they can rebuild and recover without having to fear for their lives for disrespecting the regime. Something people in most western countries can do freely without fear of reprisal.