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I actually agree slightly. My parents got me a 720p tv for Christmas and I've played some games on it and they look almost as good. Of course I also sit further away and it's 32" so that's why. But yeah if you're just gaming in the living room and the tv is decently far away from the couch, 1080p doesn't look that much better.

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that's because the vast majority of console games are rendered at 720p or under. Moving up to a 1080p display won't make them look any better because it's not changing the render resolution. Only the display.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

That's because CGI movies are rendered by farms of computers, taking hours at a time to render a single scene. In other words, NOT REAL TIME. And to answer your question, yes, 1080p is absolutely needed. The difference between 720p and 1080p is night and day, for anyone who's not blind and/or trolling system wars. That's why all those CGI movies also look better in 1080p than 720p. Just like... literally everything looks better in 1080p than 720p. It's over twice as many pixels. It's not hard to understand. If the next Playstation and Xbox have ANY games that aren't being rendered in 1080p native... well that will just be beyond pathetic.

[/QUOTE] You speak as if a game can be switched to 1080p without any sacrifice. Compare COD 2 to Cod 4 on consoles. Cod 2 is 720p while Cod 4 is 600p. All the graphical enhancements in Cod 4 allow it to look better at 600p than Cod2 at 720p. This is one time where Loosey has a good point. [/QUOTE]

We're not talking about performance. Yes, COD 4 has enough enhancements to the engine itself, that it looks better at 600p than CoD2 does at 720p, but that doesn't mean that COD4 wouldn't look even better if it had all those same enhancements, PLUS 720p (or more). That's what loosey is claiming here. That higher resolution wouldn't make a difference, even if it was the only change, and nothing was sacrificed for it. Also, the difference from 600p to 720p is nowhere near the size of the difference from 720p to 1080p. Loosey actually even said (not in the OP, but later in this thread), that a bad looking game will look even worse at higher resolution. Which is simply not true, and reveals the fact that he doesn't know the difference between render resolution and display resolution. He thinks that plugging something into a 1080p TV will make it render at 1080p, because he's utterly clueless. I tried to explain it to him, citing the fact that an old console, like an N64, looks worse plugged into and HDTV than it does plugged into an SDTV, because the tiny render resolution is being massively stretched to a larger display, but it probably went right over his head.

Potential performance issues aside, assuming that performance is not a problem, increasing render resolution can only make things look better. No matter what.

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="cain006"]

I actually agree slightly. My parents got me a 720p tv for Christmas and I've played some games on it and they look almost as good. Of course I also sit further away and it's 32" so that's why. But yeah if you're just gaming in the living room and the tv is decently far away from the couch, 1080p doesn't look that much better.

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that's because the vast majority of console games are rendered at 720p or under. Moving up to a 1080p display won't make them look any better because it's not changing the render resolution. Only the display.

[/QUOTE]...I know. I'm talking about games on my pc. I've played Shift 2, Driver San Francisco, and Mass Effect 2/3 so far. I know they're not the best games to judge this by but they look almost as good as they did in 1080p on my monitor.

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Well, that can probably be mostly chocked up to viewing distance. Either way, the point I've been trying to make throughout this thread (that loosey can't wrap his head around), is that even if you're on a big TV, and sitting far away, so 720p doesn't necessarily look bad, it would still look even better if it was 1080p. Loosey doesn't seem to understand this. He's one of those types that loves to use the "farther away from the screen makes it look better" argument, to claim lower resolutions look fine, but he doesn't realize that the same thing applies to ALL resolutions. Sitting 8 feet away from the screen makes 720p look better, but it will also make 1080p look even better, as well. The whole scale just shifts up.

He's also claimed throughout this thread that games should just keep piling on more detail, at an engine level, without increasing resolution, while completely ignoring the fact that engine level details get rapidly dimishing returns when they don't have a render resolution capable of displaying them properly, as was illustrated marvelously by the Dark Souls resolution comparison GIF someone posted a few pages back.

Edit: Here it is again. The only difference here is a jump from the console/vanilla PC standard sub-720p res, to the full 1080p allowed by DSfix. No assets, textures, or anything like that are changed. All the detail you can see in the 1080p shot is actually there in the other shot, just buried and blurred because the lower resolution simply doesn't have enough pixels to display it. And Dark Souls doesn't even have anywhere near the highest quality assets and textures that are available in games these days.